[PennBF]

To compare New York Vaccine allocations to Florida. Our son who works in a medical facility as a Health Care worker will receive his Vaccine shot today in NY because they are at high risk. While in Florida (The Villages) we see pictures of the politicians/connected residents getting the vaccine before the elderly residents in Assisted Living Facilities and the healthcare workers who risk their lives every day. Worst yet, we watch the Governor stand and observe this alleged disregard for fairness taking place? Where the heck are we
headed as a society?

[manaboutown]

I love how things are done in Florida.

[PennBF]

Thank you Manabout town. I question those who take issue with raising the subject of abuses to the system. If there is an abuse to certain areas of our community why would someone question the raising of the issue? What is their payback? A payback is trying to prevent the same abuse to the residents from happening again! How does it go, "those who ignore history are destined to repeat it". I would hope this history is not repeated or ignored! A cover up is usually the basis for trying to stop someone from speaking out. If continuing to point out the abuse so more elderly in assisted living or the health workers who are at high risk are not passed over again for the vaccine then repeating and highlighting the abuse is well worth it and my payback!!

[graciegirl]

The State of New York has administered about 300,000 doses of vaccine so far.
The State of Florida has administered about 291,000 doses of vaccine so far.

The states who have administered the most vaccine doses so far are California, New York, Florida and Texas.

They all are following the same tier; first medical workers than elderly at risk in nursing homes then those over 75.

I personally heard Governor Desantis say on TV that he would not receive the vaccine until his parents do.

Here is a breakdown of vaccine administered by State so far.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ibution-doses/

Ron DeSantis will wait his turn for the COVID-19 vaccine

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by PennBF

To compare New York Vaccine allocations to Florida. Our son who works in a medical facility as a Health Care worker will receive his Vaccine shot today in NY because they are at high risk. While in Florida (The Villages) we see pictures of the politicians/connected residents getting the vaccine before the elderly residents in Assisted Living Facilities and the healthcare workers who risk their lives every day. Worst yet, we watch the Governor stand and observe this alleged disregard for fairness taking place? Where the heck are we
headed as a society?

I don't see any pictures of politicians/connected residents getting the vaccine before the elderly residents in Assisted Living Facilities and the healthcare workers". Can you provide a link to this?

Again I say that New York State has had roughly 300,000 people receive the Covid-19 Vaccine and Florida has had about ten thousand less receive the Covid-19 vaccine. In the SAME order. First health care workers, than elderly in long term care and then people over 75. The Governor has not received the vaccine. He says he will not until his parents do.

I think you are stating a belief that the State of New York is superior to other States. Hmmmpf.

I read where an 89 year old in a long term care facility was "invited" by the owners of the company distributing the vaccine to get the vaccine. The owner of the company is wealthy and so is this 89 year old lady. It is not a sin to be wealthy unless you broke the law and harmed someone. A lot of people got wealthy the old fashioned way; working hard, sometimes two jobs and saving their money. I think it is possible that the owner of the company who is distributing the vaccine may have tried to pull strings for friends. People have done worse. People will do worse.

My husband doesn't entirely agree with me on this. He said we were told older people first and now some counties are going "first come first served".

I try to find the good in it. Every person who receives the vaccination is another person who is less a threat to dying themselves or passing disease on to others.

[JimJohnson]

Well said Ms Gracie.

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't see any pictures of politicians/connected residents getting the vaccine before the elderly residents in Assisted Living Facilities and the healthcare workers". Can you provide a link to this?

Again I say that New York State has had roughly 300,000 people receive the Covid-19 Vaccine and Florida has had about ten thousand less receive the Covid-19 vaccine. In the SAME order. First health care workers, than elderly in long term care and then people over 75. The Governor has not received the vaccine. He says he will not until his parents do.

I think you are stating a belief that the State of New York is superior to other States. Hmmmpf.

I read where an 89 year old in a long term care facility was "invited" by the owners of the company distributing the vaccine to get the vaccine. The owner of the company is wealthy and so is this 89 year old lady. It is not a sin to be wealthy unless you broke the law and harmed someone. A lot of people got wealthy the old fashioned way; working hard, sometimes two jobs and saving their money. I think it is possible that the owner of the company who is distributing the vaccine may have tried to pull strings for friends. People have done worse. People will do worse.

My husband doesn't entirely agree with me on this. He said we were told older people first and now some counties are going "first come first served".

I try to find the good in it. Every person who receives the vaccination is another person who is less a threat to dying themselves or passing disease on to others.

“I try to find the good in it. Every person who receives the vaccination is another person who is less a threat to dying themselves or passing disease on to others.”

Sorry you are so wrong “graciegirl” even if you receive the vaccine you still can get infected and pass it on. Vaccine just assist your immune system in dealing with Virus macking it less severe for you.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Dana1963

“I try to find the good in it. Every person who receives the vaccination is another person who is less a threat to dying themselves or passing disease on to others.”

Sorry you are so wrong “graciegirl” even if you receive the vaccine you still can get infected and pass it on. Vaccine just assist your immune system in dealing with Virus macking it less severe for you.

All of them (Moderna, Astra-Zeneca and Pfizer) are right around 94% effective against the disease. No seasonal flu vaccine in my memory has even been close to being that effective against the flu virus. The Vaccine assists your immune system to make it so that it is highly unlikely you will catch Covid-19 and give it to anyone else. I am not "so wrong". You are misinformed.


FDA: Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine Is 94% Effective : Shots - Health News : NPR

Moderna'''s COVID-19 Vaccine is 94.5% Effective. Here'''s What That Means | Time

What Does 95% Effective Mean? Teaching the Math of Vaccine Efficacy - The New York Times

[Debfrommaine]

Originally Posted by PennBF

To compare New York Vaccine allocations to Florida. Our son who works in a medical facility as a Health Care worker will receive his Vaccine shot today in NY because they are at high risk. While in Florida (The Villages) we see pictures of the politicians/connected residents getting the vaccine before the elderly residents in Assisted Living Facilities and the healthcare workers who risk their lives every day. Worst yet, we watch the Governor stand and observe this alleged disregard for fairness taking place? Where the heck are we
headed as a society?

I work in healthcare here, vaccines are being administered efficiently, IMO, in my workplace. Had my first injection Saturday, no issues all the way around.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Dana1963

“I try to find the good in it. Every person who receives the vaccination is another person who is less a threat to dying themselves or passing disease on to others.”

Sorry you are so wrong “graciegirl” even if you receive the vaccine you still can get infected and pass it on. Vaccine just assist your immune system in dealing with Virus macking it less severe for you.

Just in case there are others who don't understand how viruses work, let me explain just a bit further.

A person encounters the virus, and with sufficient inoculum that it enters the body and finds its way to its preferred target tissues (liver for hepatitis, brain for encephalitis, etc.). The virus then enters the cells by passing through the cell membrane, in the case of COVID this is accomplished via the "spike protein". It then hijacks that cell's nucleic acid and protein replicative mechanisms to make many copies of itself, which eventually kills that cell and are released into the bloodstream. From there it can leave the persons body to infect others (coughing/spitting in the case of COVID, the "other end" in the case of Hepatitis A, etc.)

So, a person successfully vaccinated will do one or all of:

1) kill the original inoculum before it reaches target tissue
2) deny the original inoculum entry into the cell
3) deny the virus access to the cells replicative processes

Therefore, the vaccinated person does not get the disease, does not replicate the virus, and does not pass it on

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by PennBF

To compare New York Vaccine allocations to Florida. Our son who works in a medical facility as a Health Care worker will receive his Vaccine shot today in NY because they are at high risk. While in Florida (The Villages) we see pictures of the politicians/connected residents getting the vaccine before the elderly residents in Assisted Living Facilities and the healthcare workers who risk their lives every day. Worst yet, we watch the Governor stand and observe this alleged disregard for fairness taking place? Where the heck are we
headed as a society?

Oh, and one more thing. We were able to develop not one ore two, but three vaccines in record time, mass produce them and are now faced with the difficult phase of distributing them. Why some people want to turn that into some sort of lame political statement is beyond my understanding. So ONE healthcare worker in NY got his vaccine and ONE politician in Florida got it. SO WHAT????? Many Florida vaccination sites are first come, first serve. To imply this is some vast conspiracy of the rich and elite over the working class is a level of delusion not shared by even Marx or Lenin.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

So, a person successfully vaccinated will do one or all of:

1) kill the original inoculum before it reaches target tissue
2) deny the original inoculum entry into the cell
3) deny the virus access to the cells replicative processes
Therefore, the vaccinated person does not get the disease, does not replicate the virus, and does not pass it on

Has something changed in the last two months?

"A key point to note, however, is that the vaccine isn’t an end-all solution to the pandemic. That’s in large part because any inoculations developed now are focused on simply preventing symptoms from arising, rather than blocking out the virus altogether."

Fauci: Early COVID-19 vaccines will only prevent symptoms, not block the virus

[PennBF]

To clarify some misinformation in some responses. ALL employees that wanted the vaccine got it in the medical facility in New York!! Not just one! It's pretty bad when there is a "rush" to justify not giving available vaccine to the ones that need it, (e.g. Assisted Living Elderly, Health Care workers, et al) and trying to support those that pushed them out of line for themselves. Because no reasonable person or caring person would justify that action then it is reasonable to assume the ones behind the attempt to hide the issue are receiving some form of "payback".

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by PennBF

To clarify some misinformation in some responses. ALL employees that wanted the vaccine got it in the medical facility in New York!! Not just one! It's pretty bad when there is a "rush" to justify not giving available vaccine to the ones that need it, (e.g. Assisted Living Elderly, Health Care workers, et al) and trying to support those that pushed them out of line for themselves. Because no reasonable person or caring person would justify that action then it is reasonable to assume the ones behind the attempt to hide the issue are receiving some form of "payback".

I do not think you are clear as to what is really happening. Please read what Golfing Eagles wrote. Please. EVERY POST ON THIS THREAD FROM GOLFING EAGLES. He is an M.D. from the State of New York, now living here.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by stanley

Has something changed in the last two months?

"A key point to note, however, is that the vaccine isn’t an end-all solution to the pandemic. That’s in large part because any inoculations developed now are focused on simply preventing symptoms from arising, rather than blocking out the virus altogether."

Fauci: Early COVID-19 vaccines will only prevent symptoms, not block the virus

No, nothing has changed, viruses have behaved this way for millions of years. Fauci's comment was before the vaccine was developed, and from what I read most likely way out of context---he knows this stuff better than I do.

Specifically, COVID needs its spike protein to enter cells. The vaccines attack the spike protein. No spike protein=no cellular entry=no viral reproduction=no transmission, and Tony knows that.

Probably he was trying to emphasize that no vaccine will instantly end the pandemic, the powers that be do not want everyone getting careless as the finish line approaches