[davem4616]

rolling out this vaccine is a HUGE, HUGE deal. There is no pathway to follow, everything that has to be done is breaking new ground. Thank goodness a vaccine was developed in the short time that it took. Now the manufacturing is ramping up, the distribution sites and procedures are coming together....it's a work in progress.

yet some people are storming the doors like they do on "Black Friday" trying to 'get theirs'

take a breath...you don't need to be the first kid on your block to get the vaccine. The supply will catch up with the demand.
in the meantime...continue to play it safe.

you're important, but so is everybody, so sit down and stop complaining

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by biker1

Huh? Lots of people in The Villages have received the vaccine. For example, my wife.

I am glad to hear it. Is your wife medical? Or just falls into the age bracket? Or perhaps in long term care?

Could you share how she got the shot?

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Dana1963

Sorry you are so wrong “graciegirl” even if you receive the vaccine you still can get infected and pass it on. Vaccine just assist your immune system in dealing with Virus macking it less severe for you.

That still has not yet been determined. The companies are still looking into that.

Coronavirus Resource Center - Harvard Health.

Will the COVID-19 vaccine prevent me from infecting others?
The answer is, we don't know. Clinical trials of the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna vaccines found that both do a good job preventing symptomatic COVID-19 disease, including severe COVID-19. However, the trials did not measure whether a person who is vaccinated is less likely to spread the virus to someone else. It's possible that the vaccines protect against COVID-19 disease by preventing a person from becoming infected in the first place. However, it's also possible that the vaccine protects a person from COVID-19 illness, but does not prevent a person from becoming infected. In other words, a vaccinated person may have replicating virus in their nose and throat even if they are protected from becoming sick.

But does that mean that you have enough virus in your nose and throat to infect someone else? Not necessarily. It's possible that the immune response triggered by the vaccine, which protects you from becoming sick, also reduces the amount of virus in your nose and throat to a point where you are unlikely to spread it to someone else. But we need more research to know for sure.

The bottom line? If you're among the first groups of people to get vaccinated, it's best to continue wearing masks and maintaining physical distance in order to protect others who haven't yet gotten the vaccine.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by PennBF

If you check the Archives at the Village Sun Newspaper you will see some pictures of the alleged 5-6 politically or developers connected people getting the vaccine shot along with the Governor watching the proceedings! If that fails you can see the picture in the Electronic News.

Nothing in archives at Daily Sun. I found this from the online news;

"On the day when Gov. Ron DeSantis staged a press event in The Villages that saw five residents with strong ties to the Developer and local government get COVID-19 vaccines, the number of new cases of the deadly virus in the local community made another huge jump.

DeSantis made a return visit to The Villages for a press conference at UF Health The Villages Hospital to promise that elderly residents across the state will soon be getting COVID-19 vaccinations. He said a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advisory committee had over the weekend recommended that younger essential workers get placed ahead of elderly Floridians in the vaccine line – something he won’t stand for in the Sunshine State.

“Let me just be very, very clear. Our vaccines are going to be targeted for our elderly population,” he promised. “As we get into the general community, the vaccines are going to be targeted where the risk is the greatest, and that is in our elderly population, we are not going to put young healthy workers ahead of our elderly vulnerable population.”

DeSantis then stood by as the five Villagers and some UF Health employees received the vaccinations. The local residents with ties to The Villages Developer who were inoculated included:

Steve Printz, who voters recently ousted from the Sumter County Commission;
Diane Spencer, a director on the North Sumter County Utility Dependent District Board;
Peter Moeller, chairman of the Project Wide Advisory Committee and a Community Development District 6 supervisor;
Rich Cole, a Republican Party leader and head of The Villages Amputee Support group; and
Doug Tharp, who serves on the Village Center Community Development District Board of Supervisors and is a former president of The Villages Homeowners Association.
Meanwhile, two more local residents lost their battle with COVID-19 – one from Sumter County and the other from Marion County. They were among the 839 fatalities in the tri-county area, the 21,052 deaths in Florida and the 321,698 across the country."

And Pennbf. This really supports I think what you were trying to say. However, I don't look at these people as being anything but readily available and do not begrudge them or anyone the vaccine. Did you hear me write, that I think this proves you were right? I think? I happen to be kinda likin' those people, although I don't know any of them personally, but I have no quarrel with them Pennbf.

[biker1]

Apparently, the vaccine is available for health care workers, folks in skilled nursing facilities, and those over 65. She is over 65 and received the vaccine at Publix via on-line registration. I'm 29 so I have a wait a bit ;-)

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I am glad to hear it. Is your wife medical? Or just falls into the age bracket? Or perhaps in long term care?

Could you share how she got the shot?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by biker1

Apparently, the vaccine is available for health care workers, folks in skilled nursing facilities, and those over 65. She is over 65 and received the vaccine at Publix via on-line registration.

Excellent. She must be one of the first. I am taking DaveM's advice to heart. We have waited this long, we can wait a bit longer.

[biker1]

It appears that only about 1/3 of the doses that Florida has received so far have been used. I hope they are holding back 1/2 of the doses for the second shot or a continual supply of new doses is now happening for first and second shots. I would suspect that the process will be accelerating as we move forward in time.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Excellent. She must be one of the first. I am taking DaveM's advice to heart. We have waited this long, we can wait a bit longer.

[PennBF]

This is what Dr Fauci posted:

" Doctor Fauci started off by revealing who should be first in line to get the highly anticipated vaccine, "the ones that have a more likely chance of getting a severe outcome if infected with COVID-19. They include the "vulnerable people, the elderly individuals with underlying conditions, diabetes, obesity, heart disease, individuals with those types of diseases," he explained. "In addition, people who are autoimmune compromised, for example cancer patients who are on chemotherapy and a variety of autoimmune patients who might have suppressed immune response."

I did not see "politically or developer connected on the list. Question what should they have done? The answer was to man up and refuse and dedicate the vaccine to those in vulnerable position(s)!! That would have been the moral and ethical thing to do. It does speak a lot about the moral and ethical conscience you can expect from some. They should be ashamed of themselves!!

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

WHERE have you heard for sure that ANYONE in THE VILLAGES GOT THE SHOT at all?

Well now you do/did, I got up at 7:45 AM on Wednesday and started clicking on the website LISTED ON THE SUMTER COUNTY DEPT OF HEALTH WEBSITE. I got through at 8:00:03AM and got 2 "tickets" for wife and I which were sold out in under 10 minutes. They said over 35,000 people tried to obtain about 325 shots. My appointment was between 10-11AM and when I got there at 10:15 there were about 60 other cars MOST of which had 2 people (shots) so that cut down the number of distinct calls probably by 30%. I got the shot yesterday along with a total of over 325 other people throughout the 4 morning hour appointment windows. 250 people got it (IIRC) on Tuesday from the phone in fiasco. Short of a sore arm it is painless. Now you can say you know someone (actually 2). Autographs provided for a small token fee. If you still need "proof" attached is a photo of the place where it happened. It was at the Wildwood Community Center on Powell. Oh, for those who are wondering they will be calling us for the second shot info and appointments in about 2 weeks. As of now they do not have specifics on shot 2 other than that.

[drcar]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

WHERE have you heard for sure that ANYONE in THE VILLAGES GOT THE SHOT at all? I did hear yesterday that one of my friends who lives in The Villages was able to book an appointment for the Covid-19 vaccine at a Publix in Marion County.

I did hear that our Sumter county first batch of vaccines meant for us, somehow got redirected to Gainesville for their medical staff. I cannot prove that, but my husband told me that and he is usually quite good at checking the veracity of things he tells me.

P.S. I tried to get an appointment at Publix at Marion County but now they are all booked up.

I know, knowing people as I do, that there will be some who use sneaky, underhanded ways to get ANYTHING they want. But most Villagers do not. I don't know why. As a group most of us are pretty good scouts.

Gracie, FYI, you now are going to hear from someone in the villages who got the vaccine. My wife and were able to sign up Wednesday, via website, and we got the first shots yesterday at the Wildwood Community Center. We are both over 65, we were lucky enough to get thru and get a appointment.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

All of them (Moderna, Astra-Zeneca and Pfizer) are right around 94% effective against the disease. No seasonal flu vaccine in my memory has even been close to being that effective against the flu virus. The Vaccine assists your immune system to make it so that it is highly unlikely you will catch Covid-19 and give it to anyone else. I am not "so wrong". You are misinformed.


FDA: Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine Is 94% Effective : Shots - Health News : NPR

Moderna'''s COVID-19 Vaccine is 94.5% Effective. Here'''s What That Means | Time

What Does 95% Effective Mean? Teaching the Math of Vaccine Efficacy - The New York Times

I want what Gracie said to be true but that isn't what I have heard. Just wondering why we are being told by CDC that anyone who is vaccinated must continue to wear masks and social distance so as not to transmit Covid to another person. The person vaccinated is protected but others are not.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Just in case there are others who don't understand how viruses work, let me explain just a bit further.

A person encounters the virus, and with sufficient inoculum that it enters the body and finds its way to its preferred target tissues (liver for hepatitis, brain for encephalitis, etc.). The virus then enters the cells by passing through the cell membrane, in the case of COVID this is accomplished via the "spike protein". It then hijacks that cell's nucleic acid and protein replicative mechanisms to make many copies of itself, which eventually kills that cell and are released into the bloodstream. From there it can leave the persons body to infect others (coughing/spitting in the case of COVID, the "other end" in the case of Hepatitis A, etc.)

So, a person successfully vaccinated will do one or all of:

1) kill the original inoculum before it reaches target tissue
2) deny the original inoculum entry into the cell
3) deny the virus access to the cells replicative processes

Therefore, the vaccinated person does not get the disease, does not replicate the virus, and does not pass it on

Then why are we being told that if we are vaccinated and immune, we still must continue to wear masks?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Malsua

I believe the reason they are saying this is that they aren't sure how well circulating anti-bodies will prevent areas of the nasopharynx(the back of your nose) from becoming infected and start shedding virus before the immune system shuts it down. It is understandable to use the precautionary principle in the face of unknowns.

The problem I have with this is that anyone who has a raging virus infection in their nose is, by all definitions, going to be symptomatic. It takes a raging infection to generate enough shedding to infect others.

A study out of China recently with over 5000 participants found that 126 truly asymptomatic people spread it to exactly zero others. These people were not vaccinated but infected.

Everyone who is symptomatic should be quarantined or under multiple layers of PPE. A mouth gator is not enough.

If you are not showing symptoms and you're a month out from your second shot, your chance of infecting anyone else is so close to zero as to be indistinguishable from zero.

Again, understand that the only way you infect others is if your body is making trillions of virus particles and spreading them all over the place. Your body makes these from infected cells. If you have the vaccine, you can't make the virus. Not making it? Not infecting anyone.

I'm glad you mentioned that. Early on in this pandemic, I saw on a news show that neck gators are not recommended to slow the spread of the virus. In fact, neck gators are worse for mitigation because the neck gator actually make droplets into the smaller aerosols. Even a double layer gator is not recommended to mitigate the virus.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by PennBF

Wow, I see why the Moderator's have a hard time. A simple question as to why some were able to abuse the need for the virus vaccine by pushing the Health Care workers of out line, allegedly because they were connected, has been distorted to how the vaccine works to prevent the virus. There is absolutely no correlation between the two subjects. However the surprising point is how many ignore the abuse and either try to justify it which is a further abuse of these already abusive acts or try to divert the subject in hopes it will be covered up or go away. As my 100 year old grandfather would say, "what is this world coming to? Where are the ones who stand up for what is right have gone? The simple and hopefully understood question was: Do you support the Health Care workers and Assisted Liven elderly receiving the virus before those allegedly connected? Please stay on the subject!!

I understand the rules but it is human nature to drift to other subjects when having a discussion. It is just normal in conversation. Going off topic on a discussion forum is very common.

The person most adept at doing this is Jerry Seinfeld. Hubby and I saw him in person and he is an absolute master at changing the subject and you have no idea when and how he did it. GENIUS!!! Keep Jerry off this forum.

[Aloha1]

Originally Posted by Dana1963

“I try to find the good in it. Every person who receives the vaccination is another person who is less a threat to dying themselves or passing disease on to others.”

Sorry you are so wrong “graciegirl” even if you receive the vaccine you still can get infected and pass it on. Vaccine just assist your immune system in dealing with Virus macking it less severe for you.

That is patently not true. Please stay off the internet. the vaccines PREVENT you from getting sick from Covid. The science is not there yet to make a statement such as you are making.