[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Challenger

I see so many references to putting "names on "deeds". This can be a very bad choice. Not something to be done casually. Can cause severe agnst in your life.

You are changing ownership which can bring lots of trouble. Family fights and disagreements , Tax issues , liability and so many more.

Talk first to a "Real " attorney with Estate and Real Estate expertise.

Don't count om advise from amatuers on this forum.

Hi Challenger: Those getting green ID cards are on the house's deed. The most common reason why blue (temporary) ID cards are issued is because either parents are caring for disabled offspring or offspring are caring for disabled parents. In regard to the former situation I personally have never seen very many children of village parents utilizing amenities. The only way parents can get their offspring green ID's is to place them on the deed, otherwise they have to renew every three years.

You are correct that before making such a decision a lawyer should be consulted.

The issue presented here is not a horse or a chair its about an agreement we all made when we bought into this Lifestyle. I have come across people who explained that they moved from here because it was a waste of money as they were not utilizing the amenities. In my personal situation the only amenity I use is golf which cost me $141 plus change per year. In many homes only one person plays golf and yet they too like singles pay the same rate..

Some on here would suggest that we utilize some type of apportionment, a deduction i amenity fee if a resident doesn't use the pool, etc.

Names on the deed equate to households and amenities are based on per household. It is legal, it is fair, it discriminates fairly and it was sanctioned by each resident when they sign their closing papers.

As for singles it appears there are many social opportunities available to them. In fact don't we continually read of residents we have met here in TV and married . It appears that they didn't see the need for an ID card in order to resume their dating life....and then as one poster aptly pointed out then we have Mr. Midnight. Just imagine if he had an extra ID card with all the women he claims to have dated TV would have to hire one full time employee just to keep him up with a new ID card for his next significant other .

Personal Best Regards:

[RLL39]

Originally Posted by Nightengale212

Yes Joe, thank you for bringing this issue up since I was not aware of which will very much change my TV retirement plans

I was widowed in my 40s and have been in a 12 year live in relationship with my partner, and for financial reasons we likely will not legally marry. I own my current home outright, and my plan when the time came was to sell it and purchase a home in TV with only my name on the deed for which my partner does not want to be on it anyway. I am not here to debate the TV rules, but glad to be made aware of this rule so now we can focus on alternate retirement plans.

How's the weather up there in R.I.?

[DReifinger]

That's why it's a gated community so to speak. The squares are free to the public, but amenities must be paid for by someone. That someone is the homeowners who have made that commitment by being on deeds, whether married or just living together but sharing the investment of a home. Let's face it, TV is a very successful real estate retirement story, and that is why we chose to live this lifestyle here. Guest passes are for friends and family for short periods of time. A permanent guest pass would allow someone to live in TV, and enjoy all of the amenities without the commitment of home ownership. Is that fair to couples, married or not, who have invested large amounts of money for a second or permanent home. People who have chosen TV and a particular community because this is where they want to live? They have shown their commitment, they are not just guests.

[VT2TV]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Hi Challenger: Those getting green ID cards are on the house's deed. The most common reason why blue (temporary) ID cards are issued is because either parents are caring for disabled offspring or offspring are caring for disabled parents. In regard to the former situation I personally have never seen very many children of village parents utilizing amenities. The only way parents can get their offspring green ID's is to place them on the deed, otherwise they have to renew every three years.

You are correct that before making such a decision a lawyer should be consulted.

The issue presented here is not a horse or a chair its about an agreement we all made when we bought into this Lifestyle. I have come across people who explained that they moved from here because it was a waste of money as they were not utilizing the amenities. In my personal situation the only amenity I use is golf which cost me $141 plus change per year. In many homes only one person plays golf and yet they too like singles pay the same rate..

Some on here would suggest that we utilize some type of apportionment, a deduction i amenity fee if a resident doesn't use the pool, etc.

Names on the deed equate to households and amenities are based on per household. It is legal, it is fair, it discriminates fairly and it was sanctioned by each resident when they sign their closing papers.

As for singles it appears there are many social opportunities available to them. In fact don't we continually read of residents we have met here in TV and married . It appears that they didn't see the need for an ID card in order to resume their dating life....and then as one poster aptly pointed out then we have Mr. Midnight. Just imagine if he had an extra ID card with all the women he claims to have dated TV would have to hire one full time employee just to keep him up with a new ID card for his next significant other .

Personal Best Regards:

So many people on here talk about the fact that we all bought into a lifestyle, and that is very true. If everyone was able to "tweek" the things they either didn't like, didn't use, or thought was unfair, I can't even imagine what the lifestyle would be like.I think the rules are as fair to all as they can be. That does mean there aren't things I would like to change, but again, in a huge place like this, you will never please everyone.

[Nightengale212]

Originally Posted by Challenger

I see so many references to putting "names on "deeds". This can be a very bad choice. Not something to be done casually. Can cause severe agnst in your life.

You are changing ownership which can bring lots of trouble. Family fights and disagreements , Tax issues , liability and so many more.

Talk first to a "Real " attorney with Estate and Real Estate expertise.

Don't count om advise from amatuers on this forum.

I most certainly agree with what you have stated and this decision my parents made was done under the council of a lawyer. Both my sister and I were widows when this took place so there were no issues with the home getting caught up down the line in a divorce settlement if that should have happened.

Fortunately my parents did very good estate planning, and this combined with the fact that I have a wonderful sister we were able to settle our parent's estate very easily. I know this is probably the exception rather than the norm, as I have several friends who have dealt with home deed nightmares.

[gratefulparrot]

First off. I'm not a villager, but plan on buying a house next year. I won't be looking for a relationship as I'll be coming off of a long one, but you never know where the path takes you.

Having said this, this discussion has gone a bunch of different directions. It started with Joe just wanting to bring a date to a function. What's wrong with that? Are villager's so snotty that you can't welcome a date from someone who lives there? I see nothing in his posts that says his date wants to start taking over clubs and facilities, nor attending without Joe. I've read the rules and I get it, and I'm ok with it. But geez, it's a guy wanting to bring a girl that doesn't own a house here. What's the big? Some of these comments come off as we can only breed with our own. Seems pretty one sided. I also understand, that many are married an could care less about the singles, but doesn't everyone at least have the chance to find that someone?

[Nightengale212]

Originally Posted by RLL39

How's the weather up there in R.I.?

Right now it is 35.5 in Bristol, overcast, and a little windy. As long as there is no "white stuff" on the ground I am happy.

[2BNTV]

Originally Posted by gratefulparrot

First off. I'm not a villager, but plan on buying a house next year. I won't be looking for a relationship as I'll be coming off of a long one, but you never know where the path takes you.

Having said this, this discussion has gone a bunch of different directions. It started with Joe just wanting to bring a date to a function. What's wrong with that? Are villager's so snotty that you can't welcome a date from someone who lives there? I see nothing in his posts that says his date wants to start taking over clubs and facilities, nor attending without Joe. I've read the rules and I get it, and I'm ok with it. But geez, it's a guy wanting to bring a girl that doesn't own a house here. What's the big? Some of these comments come off as we can only breed with our own. Seems pretty one sided. I also understand, that many are married an could care less about the singles, but doesn't everyone at least have the chance to find that someone?

Well stated and exactly my point!!!

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by Jimturner

Gracie has some good advise for you. You have so much in common with Villages Singles and (in my opinion) so little with local senior citizens.

Oh, nevermind. I should quit reading this thread.

I told me I should quit and I didn't listen.

Where is the /// key?

We are a minority and the only way out is to organize, elect representatives and make ourselves a voice. That will scare the daylights out of people, who are already afraid that if we date those represented above as the local lowlife, it will as Joe said, retilt earth's axis.

On behalf of "locals" Many of whom Are my friends from church, you should not judge character by where people live.
As a single, I reject the implication that your judgement should guide me who is worthy to date. Good grief,shut up Kitty. I am turning myself in to the moderator for personal sidebar.

[biker1]

The original poster can bring dates to a number of activities such as the entertainment at Katie Belle's. Other venues require everyone to have a Village ID. Nothing, including the rules we all agreed to when we bought property here, is stopping him from finding someone. If you are planning on buying in the Villages, I would recommend you read the restrictions before signing on the dotted line. Before The Villages, I lived in another deed restricted community. I heard numerous complaints over the years about various restrictions being unfair because the complainers either never read the restrictions or thought that they shouldn't apply to them. Deed restricted communities are not for everyone.

Originally Posted by gratefulparrot

First off. I'm not a villager, but plan on buying a house next year. I won't be looking for a relationship as I'll be coming off of a long one, but you never know where the path takes you.

Having said this, this discussion has gone a bunch of different directions. It started with Joe just wanting to bring a date to a function. What's wrong with that? Are villager's so snotty that you can't welcome a date from someone who lives there? I see nothing in his posts that says his date wants to start taking over clubs and facilities, nor attending without Joe. I've read the rules and I get it, and I'm ok with it. But geez, it's a guy wanting to bring a girl that doesn't own a house here. What's the big? Some of these comments come off as we can only breed with our own. Seems pretty one sided. I also understand, that many are married an could care less about the singles, but doesn't everyone at least have the chance to find that someone?

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by gratefulparrot View Post
First off. I'm not a villager, but plan on buying a house next year. I won't be looking for a relationship as I'll be coming off of a long one, but you never know where the path takes you.

Having said this, this discussion has gone a bunch of different directions. It started with Joe just wanting to bring a date to a function. What's wrong with that? Are villager's so snotty that you can't welcome a date from someone who lives there? I see nothing in his posts that says his date wants to start taking over clubs and facilities, nor attending without Joe. I've read the rules and I get it, and I'm ok with it. But geez, it's a guy wanting to bring a girl that doesn't own a house here. What's the big? Some of these comments come off as we can only breed with our own. Seems pretty one sided. I also understand, that many are married an could care less about the singles, but doesn't everyone at least have the chance to find that someone?
Well stated and exactly my point!!!

Originally Posted by 2BNTV

Well stated and exactly my point!!!

I agree. And I'm married, for the record.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by mickey100

Originally Posted by gratefulparrot View Post
First off. I'm not a villager, but plan on buying a house next year. I won't be looking for a relationship as I'll be coming off of a long one, but you never know where the path takes you.

Having said this, this discussion has gone a bunch of different directions. It started with Joe just wanting to bring a date to a function. What's wrong with that? Are villager's so snotty that you can't welcome a date from someone who lives there? I see nothing in his posts that says his date wants to start taking over clubs and facilities, nor attending without Joe. I've read the rules and I get it, and I'm ok with it. But geez, it's a guy wanting to bring a girl that doesn't own a house here. What's the big? Some of these comments come off as we can only breed with our own. Seems pretty one sided. I also understand, that many are married an could care less about the singles, but doesn't everyone at least have the chance to find that someone?
Well stated and exactly my point!!!


I agree. And I'm married, for the record.

hats off..a married person who accepts singleness.

[Mikeod]

Help me out here 2BNTV. I'm trying to figure out just where the problem is. I can see that without a guest pass or ID, that a non-resident can't use the pools, attend a class or activity at a rec center, or play golf or tennis or pickleball. But they can go to the squares and enjoy the music, attend concerts a the Savannah Center, go to the movies, eat at the restaurants including the country clubs, etc. So, much of the ambiance of TV is available, just certain things are not.

Just to reiterate what I observed at the AAC, if an exception is made for what appears to be a reasonable request, how does TV refuse a equally reasonable request? Where does it stop?

Further, let's say they allow non-resident "permanent" guest IDs. Those with friends at Stonecrest (just an example, not to reopen that can of worms again!) could get them an ID, and those with friends in Ocala, and those with friends in Bushnell, and so on. How do we differentiate? Does it have to be the opposite sex? Well that discriminates by gender. Do we place a limit? That discriminates against new Villages residents. And if a limit, how many? 1000? 10000? 20000?

So, what activities are you looking for admission to with your friend?

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by janmcn

All of these people would get TV ID's if they are on your deed, with the possible exception of the grandkids depending on their ages.

If we didn't embrace change, women would not be voting, same sex marriage would be impossible, etc etc etc.

Perhaps it's time for TV to move into the 21st century. Does anybody know how other retirement communities handle their ID cards?

Jan, the nugget above is..if we didn't embrace change women wouldn't vote....

People with a lord's advantage over others go to great lengths to rationalize that it is actually fair and just, perhaps to keep from experiencing the cognitive dissonance of admitting they enjoy having rewards while others are denied. And perhaps in fear that if their hoarding of privilege is openly known, they might lose their special status and become equals with those whom they can consider lesser.

Nobody married even wants to glance at why singles have a higher tax bracket because it is damnably impossible to justify. Singles are a minority class, and we are treated as less important and less due rights.

[Bonny]

I don't think anyone cares if non residents come and enjoy the restaurants, shops and even going to Katie Belles. I, for one, welcome them.
The problem lies when someone outside has a Village ID and is now on the golf courses, line dance and other classes, etc.
It's hard in season for residents to get on the golf courses sometimes. The line dance classes are so packed you can hardly dance.
It does become a problem when residents are getting shut out of golf because non residents who don't pay amenity fees are out there.
There is no easy solution. Most of us will probably face this as we get older and lose a spouse.