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Yoda 07-19-2010 07:35 PM

TV is a safe place. People who live in a safe place don"t often commit crimes in said safe place.

I like the insurance argument.


Yoda

K9-Lovers 07-19-2010 09:04 PM

My take on these issues .. .. ..
 
I like the insurance idea, too. Those who carry arms are not necessarily "afraid" as some people believe. It is a part of who they are, and the way they insure the safety of their home and family, much the same as an insurance policy.

The way I insure the safety of my home and family is to always lock my doors whether it's day or night time, to use motion sensor lights, and to always be aware of my surroundings. Being aware of my surroundings also means knowing that there is a fair amount of property crime in TV while crimes against people is quite low. And, I never place myself in a position of becoming a potential target, which would then impact my family, and those called upon to protect, or rescue me.

While I love TV as much as anyone, I am not willing to take on the responsibility of causing a false sense of security by saying there is no crime in TV. That would be an injustice to others, who then may not take precautions.

handyman 07-20-2011 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by K9-Lovers (Post 277063)
I like the insurance idea, too. Those who carry arms are not necessarily "afraid" as some people believe. It is a part of who they are, and the way they insure the safety of their home and family, much the same as an insurance policy.

The way I insure the safety of my home and family is to always lock my doors whether it's day or night time, to use motion sensor lights, and to always be aware of my surroundings. Being aware of my surroundings also means knowing that there is a fair amount of property crime in TV while crimes against people is quite low. And, I never place myself in a position of becoming a potential target, which would then impact my family, and those called upon to protect, or rescue me.

While I love TV as much as anyone, I am not willing to take on the responsibility of causing a false sense of security by saying there is no crime in TV. That would be an injustice to others, who then may not take precautions.

God created Man.There are preditors there always have been
I choose to protect myself and family,it doen't matter where you live they are there,Am I afraid to walk the streets of the Villages,NO! Am I ready,SOMETIMES!Got make em' think don't you:22yikes:

handyman 07-20-2011 03:20 PM

:D
That's not a gun in my pocket there Gracie.

chuckinca 07-20-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BJinTX (Post 276953)
Gracie, you are right. Perception means a lot. I do hope TV is not a bunch of old hippies, I want a lively bunch when we get there.
I do know a girl here (our town is 22,000) that went to Austin. She did get lost. At a stop sign, a car with 4 guys next to her where checking her out. They were not regular nice guys. She just placed her gun on the dash and had no problems!


She best not try that in East Oakland.


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graciegirl 07-20-2011 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by handyman (Post 372787)
:D
That's not a gun in my pocket there Gracie.

Just glad to see me?

My one liners go waaaaaaaay back.

senior citizen 07-20-2011 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by K9-Lovers (Post 277063)
I like the insurance idea, too. Those who carry arms are not necessarily "afraid" as some people believe. It is a part of who they are, and the way they insure the safety of their home and family, much the same as an insurance policy.

The way I insure the safety of my home and family is to always lock my doors whether it's day or night time, to use motion sensor lights, and to always be aware of my surroundings. Being aware of my surroundings also means knowing that there is a fair amount of property crime in TV while crimes against people is quite low. And, I never place myself in a position of becoming a potential target, which would then impact my family, and those called upon to protect, or rescue me.

While I love TV as much as anyone, I am not willing to take on the responsibility of causing a false sense of security by saying there is no crime in TV. That would be an injustice to others, who then may not take precautions.

Very well said.

senior citizen 07-20-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by K9-Lovers (Post 276865)
I'm not implying anything. There are bad guys everywhere, even here in TV. As much as I'd like to believe there is no crime here, it's just not so, unfortunately.

Just watch the news everyday. No place is totally safe anymore.

Look at that Connecticut doctor's family where the mom, two daughters were held captive and set on fire. Lovely neighborhood. Two ex cons.

Vermont is probably the lowest crime state in the nation and yet we all now lock our doors, use the motion sensors and no longer let these roving sales people into the house. Neither small town nor rural areas are as safe as they used to be. With parolee's needing drug money and thinking retired people are an easy mark, it could happen. Better safe than sorry.

thistrucksforyou 07-20-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pats2010 (Post 274482)
Why not? :confused:

Didn't they same the same thing at Ft. Hood? (I think it was Foot Hood that the terrorist killed all those soldiers)

You reasoning is whacked !
:grumpy:

senior citizen 07-20-2011 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by handyman (Post 372770)
God created Man.There are preditors there always have been
I choose to protect myself and family,it doen't matter where you live they are there,Am I afraid to walk the streets of the Villages,NO! Am I ready,SOMETIMES!Got make em' think don't you:22yikes:

What my husband always says about Vermont (when I bring up the subject of home invasions as seen on the news).....he says, "there are so many guns in Vermont, meaning rifles, pistols, everything, that no military organization or group of individuals could take over the state of Vermont where we have our gun rights. Obviously, hunting is big up here.....but even non hunters have guns and crime is low....compared to other places. If you read the Orlando Sentinel there are murders every day.

senior citizen 07-20-2011 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 277025)
TV is a safe place. People who live in a safe place don"t often commit crimes in said safe place.

I like the insurance argument.


Yoda

I'm sure it is safe , however, many times career criminals see older folks as easy targets for robbery and often those robberies can lead to worse crimes when the criminal is caught seeking money or other loot for drugs, etc.
It wouldn't be the people living in TV but strangers who might come in to work in the community........or just wander in......

senior citizen 07-20-2011 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pats2010 (Post 276892)
Evil people are everywhere. They don't lock them up like they used to.

That's for sure.....and if they do incarcerate them, they let them out early.
Drug crime is rampant all over the U.S. The gangs try to infiltrate even small town America to get the kids hooked which gives them a bigger income.

We raised our children in a trusting environment in small town America and yet the world is a different place today for our grandchildren's safety.

I never even thought of our children being abducted, molested, etc.
It never entered my mind. But...times have changed....in every aspect of crime in America.

Also, whereas before they would commit insane people, now they roam the streets. Everyone has "rights" except the victims of crime...or so it seems.

senior citizen 07-20-2011 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by r_foye (Post 274821)
As a retired police officer I had a gun attached to my hip everyday. I stared down the barrel many times at people who were a heartbeat away from having me kill them. Can I live with killing someone? Absolutely, I would have not second guessed myself at all. There are evil people in this world and as far as Im concerned killing evil would not cause me to lose a moments sleep. Having seen just about every form of evil I will tell you something that you may or may not believe, but I guarantee you is true. There are evil people living in The Villages, the odds dictate this to be true. Just because you are living in a retirement community doesnt make you immune. Having said that I will say that now that Im retired I dont even own a weapon, why?, I just dont feel a huge need to have one. Im willing to take my chances with the bad people of this world. I feel the odds of having to use it are just about nil. Now Im sure this will **** some people off but I think that most people who have concealed weapons permits probably shouldnt have them. Just because you took a course and blasted the target at the local range doesnt mean you are qualified to carry a gun. Just my two cents worth.

Thank you for your utter honesty and true life experience.
As my husband says, even career criminals retire someday.

Not too long ago I found quite a list of Villagers on the Sexual Offender List.
I haven't looked since then........so not sure what the number is at the moment.........but it gave me pause at the time.....thinking ahead to visiting grandchildren.

Guess I've been watching too much of the I.D. channel which has Main Street Murders and Investigative Discovery, Forensics, etc., Dateline and so forth.

senior citizen 07-20-2011 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny (Post 274897)
Gracie, I agree with you. I feel no need to carry a gun in TV. But there are those times when you are leaving The Villages or are in and out of it throughout the day when I will be armed as it safer to keep the gun on you then in the car. Quite frankly it is uncomfortable to carry a gun in this heat but we do it to protect ourselves and those around us. It is also very inconvenient to carry a gun due to the places you cannot carry one. The last two days are good examples. I was out but ran into friends who wanted me to join them for drinks at a bar. If I was carrying I could not go into the bar. Today I was out and got a call to pickup a prescription. Once again guns are not allowed in pharmacies so you see how much of a pain it can be to carry a gun. Some people feel that it is best to carry all the time rather than play the odds. Personally I would rather take my chances and only carry outside of TV.

Well said.........

senior citizen 07-20-2011 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vinny (Post 274798)
Gracie, people carry concealed guns in your state. I think you are just becoming aware that about 44 states allow their citizens to carry concealed firearms. The overall percentage of people legally carrying guns is small and the penalties for brandishing or showing it in a non life and death situation are harsh with no chance of parole.

Vermont allows all citizens to carry a concealed weapon without a permit.
As per our constitutional rights.

Vermont is probably the lowest crime state in nation.


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