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graciegirl 07-25-2014 02:43 PM

Anne is very worried about this. She has started two threads in the last few days.

Here is the issue that was national.

CSST Settlement - Home Page

If the homes were built to code, perhaps the code has been changed.

rubicon 07-25-2014 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by anne321 (Post 913255)
It is my understanding that this very subject was discussed at the last Property Owners Association meeting. The Villages knows about this problem and always has. Some people who realizied what was going on got vouchers to have the firecode violations fixed but others wer told that there were no more Vouchers and that they should live with it.

anne: This topic is of great concern so please cite your authority. do you have documentation that those homes built in TV with gas appliances are not built to code . (NPFA) has very complicated rules and there are times when an alternative is permissible. How do you know TV knows about this problem? Also do you know for certain that TV issued vouchers, and if so, why TV stopped? Do you know if the POA is pursuing this safety issue and in what manner? I intend to make inquiries on my own. I am thankful that you cared enough to post but your posts left me thinking "but we don't know that?" Please in the future include more information as suggested above. If you cannot produce such documentation then simply state that ----is looking into safety concerns related to---- and leave it at that

graciegirl 07-25-2014 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by anne321 (Post 913266)
I was not at the last POA meeting but I was told that the subject of Vouchers came up at that meeting and that at one time the Villages had recognized that this Fire and Life Safety Code Violations existed and they gave people vouchers to correct these violations. They only gave Vouchers to some people and then told the rest of the people that they had run out and to live with it. This information came from some who i would consider to be very relaible source but it would be very easy to check.


Perhaps it was the company that made CSST pipe that gave the vouchers?

CSST Settlement - Home Page

anne321 07-25-2014 03:00 PM

Grounding and bonding the Corrugated was always required by code
 
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Originally Posted by mulligan (Post 913260)
What was the code requirement when the homes were built? It was at least 3 but might be 4 years since they stopped putting gas lines in the street. Building codes are in a constant state of change.

Teco gas has said that it was always a code requirement and it always has been. It does not matter about any of this discussion if these practices are known to be Unsafe and can cause fires and explosions and kill and injure people YOU JUST DO DO THINGS THAT WAY IF IT IS UNSAFE AND VERY DANGEROUS I NOT SURE WHAT PART OF THAT YOU DO NOT GET.

anne321 07-25-2014 03:10 PM

It does not matter if is unsafe it is unsafe.
 
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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 913272)
anne: This topic is of great concern so please cite your authority. do you have documentation that those homes built in TV with gas appliances are not built to code . (NPFA) has very complicated rules and there are times when an alternative is permissible. How do you know TV knows about this problem? Also do you know for certain that TV issued vouchers, and if so, why TV stopped? Do you know if the POA is pursuing this safety issue and in what manner? I intend to make inquiries on my own. I am thankful that you cared enough to post but your posts left me thinking "but we don't know that?" Please in the future include more information as suggested above. If you cannot produce such documentation then simply state that ----is looking into safety concerns related to---- and leave it at that

It does not matter if it is unsafe it is unsafe. Call TECO GAS get there 16 page Booklet on GAS on page 8 it in the middle of the page IT STATES that ( IF YOU FIND CORRUGATED STAINLESS STEEL TUBING IN YOUR HOME YOU SHOULD IMEDIATELY CONTACT A LICENSED ELECTRICAN TO INSPECT AND INSURE THAT THE CORRUGATED STAINLESS STEEL TUBING IS PROPERLY GROUNDED AND BONDED TO PREVENT LEAKS AND FIRES.) YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR THIS CALL TECO. GOOGLE STAINLESS STEEL TUBING AND READ WHAT IT SAYS.

NoMoSno 07-25-2014 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by anne321 (Post 913280)
Teco gas has said that it was always a code requirement and it always has been.

The county building inspector should not have approved Teco to put gas in the system, if it was not complying with the code requirements.
If they did, the county and the installer and Teco should be liable.
Regardless, If your installation is not up to current codes, have the work done :shrug:

bargee 07-25-2014 04:53 PM

Csst
 
When I return to The Villages in the fall the first thing I will do is contact an electrician and have my home inspected and corrected.It is my understanding when my house was built (2000) that the code did not require bonding and grounding of CSST gas lines,I could be wrong.

CFrance 07-25-2014 04:54 PM

Okay, you've gotten the word out, ann. No need for the all-caps shouting. People will do what they see fit with the information. If they insist on arguing with you, just ignore it. The thread will die off.

Lightning 07-25-2014 07:58 PM

CSST is legal in all 50 states. It was the subject of a 2007 class action lawsuit. There was a six month window to apply for a voucher that would offset the cost of a lightning protection system (lightning rods). The CSST manufacturers insist that their product is safety if it is properly bonded and grounded with a No. 6 bare copper conductor on the gas manifold in the attic that is connected to the main electric panel ground.

Bogie Shooter 07-26-2014 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by anne321 (Post 913266)
I was not at the last POA meeting but I was told that the subject of Vouchers came up at that meeting and that at one time the Villages had recognized that this Fire and Life Safety Code Violations existed and they gave people vouchers to correct these violations. They only gave Vouchers to some people and then told the rest of the people that they had run out and to live with it. This information came from some who i would consider to be very relaible source but it would be very easy to check.

When you checked, what did you find out?

cc1246 07-26-2014 09:59 AM

I understand they quit putting in gas lines because Teco felt the way they were installed was not safe.

CFrance 07-26-2014 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cc1246 (Post 913646)
I understand they quit putting in gas lines because Teco felt the way they were installed was not safe.

My understanding was that when the developer negotiated with Sumter County to build down here, he had to make certain concessions so as to not use up too many of their natural resources. Going all electric was one of them.

That was what our realtor told us, anyway. But then another realtor told us they quit building models and furnishing them, and people on here say that's not true. So who knows.

zcaveman 07-26-2014 11:06 AM

The vouchers were a long time ago but if I remember they did not get you free lightning rods. You still had to pay something.

I do remember that I passed because it was not as good as a deal as I thought.

Z

anne321 07-26-2014 05:32 PM

Faliure to ground and bond Corrugatted Stainless Steel Tubing causes fires
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 912750)
I still don't get what the problem is. When we bought our first house here in 2006 they had stopped using natural gas in homes. They had gone to all electric. Some people opted to have propane.

If you do not get what the problem is GOOGlE Corrugated Stainless Steel Tubing and read the articles. The way the Corrugated Steel Tubing is installed in attics Villages cause fires and explosion. There is nothing to get. You can choose to ignore the facts but the facts are there. If you understand what the problem is you would not want your grandchildren to sleep in these homes. You can think what you want. This a known very dangerous siaution. If you read the Google articles aboutCorrugated Stainless Steel Tubing you will find that just about anbody who has anything to do with this siaution agrees the way this gas pipe is installed in the Villages it can burn your house down.

anne321 07-26-2014 05:39 PM

Corrugated Stainless Steel Tubing when insalled in violation of fire code
 
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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 912832)
CFrance - Sorry you perceive me to be drilling anne321. I will advise you of my personal need by PM rather than hang my laundry here for all to be exposed to. I'll just crawl back under my rock and only come back to play Pollyanna.

Corrugatted Stainless Steel Tubing as it is installed in the manner that is in the Villages is Dangerous. If you think that is something that is funny or amusing or unimportant than you are nor looking at the facts. It is not funny, it is not amusing and it is not unimportant. It is burning homes in the Villages down to the slab. It will keep doing this till it is fixed.


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