As I always like to say...why confuse an issue with facts?

Look at the homes in the villages and tell people where the bonded homes are.

Free voucher are not if there is something that seriously affect the public safety of your home you should find out what should be done All I have ever said is read what is going on and decide for your self.

NFPA and the Villages Public Safety Department
 

Either the NFPA is dead wrong or The Villages Public Safety is wrong There have been much discussion and many replies and posts about Corrugated Stainless Steel Tubing. Every single thing that has been written about this subject and how this product should be installed says that it has to be grounded and bonded to the homes electrical system and it can not be run near things like gas exhaust. I have been unable to find this product to be installed safely any where that I have looked. I do not know how many homes are involved in this but if you took a guess and said 20,000 that would involve 40,000 people. It does not matter how many people it is any or to many. Either the NFPA is wrong or the Corrugated Stainless Steel Tubing Manufacturing Companies or wrong or any number of other agencies or wrong. The problem here is that somebody could be dead wrong. Contact the Villages Public Safety Department and ask them if the NFPA is wrong. If the NFPA and a lot of other people are right exactly what is the Villages Public Safety Department going to do to protect the people of the Villages Public Safety and when where they thinking of doing it. This is not a leak under the kitchen sink. This subject needs to be investigated by the Villages Public Safety Department and if is determined that there is any Fire or Life Safety Hazards to the People of the Villages then a plan needs to made to correct any type of dangerous or unsafe practices. THIS SUBJECT NEEDS TO BE PUT TO BED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I feel that the dialogue that has been started on this subject be continued and discussed in till it is determined exactly what is going on.

If the home was built with gas then in the attic near the garage access there is a manifold which will have a bare copper wire clamped to it. That wire runs directly to the grounding bar in the electrical panel.

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I am unsure of your goal in this matter. Your original post informed readers of the potential danger with CSST in their homes. Thank you for that.

But where I get confused is the subsequent posts.

These homes were built to the code as it existed when the CO was issued. If the code was updated/changed at a later date, it is not the responsibility of the builder to retrofit the home to the new standard. Your posts seem to imply that either the homes were not built to the existing code, which would mean that the CO should not have been issued. Or that it somehow is the responsibility of the developer or builder to retrofit all the homes to the new code.

The vouchers you refer to were not to address the CSST directly, but were to defray part of the cost of a lightning protection system that would ground the CSST. That program existed for a specific period, then ended about six years ago.

The NFPA website indicates they are still studying CSST. Under the FAQ section on gas lines, they say that they were advised that bonding may reduce the number of failures and they will continue to study the subject.

So, other than stimulating residents to get their CSST grounded or replaced, what do you wish to see happen?

There are times that the unfiltered data that can be accessed on the internet can be as insidious and alarming as the information contained on the little pamphlets that come with your prescription medications.

One must just remember that science is not exact.

The law is not black or white.

Data is often outdated or contradicted by a myriad of unsearched documents.

Most perceived conspiracies are simply the result of the misapplication of information sucked from the internet and over-seasoned with anecdotal tales of fraud and smoke-filled back-room deals.

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Great posts Mike and Steve.

On going Class Action Lawsuits involving gas piping similar to what is used in the
 

There has been a lot of interest and discussion on TOTV Fire and Life Safety issues and Gas Piping in the villages. I have been told that there many ongoing Class action lawsuits ongoing right now and these suits are finding the gas piping to be dangerous even when properly grounded and bonded and the gas piping is being replaced because it is considered unsafe. Google the Subject and you find information on the subject.

The moderator said not to start another thread on this topic.

I would also advise you to quit citing nameless third party sources for your diatribe.

THANK YOU For the reminder.

MY Own Son, who has a HVAC business, was wary of
staying in our VILLAGES home with the CSST gas piping
He stated
" If I am ever here during a lightning storm, I will sleep in my rental car
or a Hotel that does not have CSST gas pipe.'

His advice " Get rid of that stuff ( CSST )"

He further stated

That even with proper grounding and bonding AND Lightning Rod Protection ,
the potential for MASSIVE fires fueled by the Natural Gas is possible.

That the Class B chimney venting the furnace flue could cause an arc to the CSST feeding the furnace.

Said the chimney is highest point of the home and you know how lightning goes for tallest metal objects.

A fire originated by ANY cause could cause that CSST to be easily breached.
That would cause the fire to be further fueled by the NATGAS.


I "GOOGLED" CSST gas line lawsuits.

Lots of lawsuits ongoing and Class Action Suits are being Developed.

Found Central Florida Law firm of Morgan and Morgan is currently
collecting data, as we speak, to develop a Class Action Suit.

Who knew that NEW lawsuits are happening ALL over the USA.

Oh Yeah, I forgot.

The IRONY of it all.

Pittsburg PA area Law Firms are developing a
Class-Action Lawsuit against the makers of
flexible CSST Gas lines.

Joe Bellissimo an Attorney from the Pittsburg PA area
also has a home and office in
New Smyrna Beach, FL.

The Florida home was quickly Totally Incinerated in a fire.

The cause was determined to be a Lightning Strike.

The factor causing the RAPID and total loss of the home,
the CSST gas piping was breached by the arcing caused by the lightning
which allowed the uncontrolled NATGAS to spew out and fuel the fire.

He said he was glad his wife and kids were not there when it happened

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