[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

That's the core of the issue. Are ALL adults responsible adults? It is likely that SOME are irresponsible adults. If most of the patients going for the monoclonal treatment are the same people that were anti-vaccine or vaccine-hesitant - then I would consider them to be by definition - IRRESPONSIBLE adults. Some other people might consider them to be "UNLUCKY" ADULTS - or maybe just "late-to-the-game" adults. I prefer the term irresponsible because they were NOT responsible ENOUGH to their fellow humans to want and try to do something to stop a nationwide and worldwide PLAGUE. CV in its current Delta variant form has swept like a cloud of suffering and death over the United States and we HAD the tools to stop it. But 40% of our patriotic countrymen and women REFUSED (and still refuse) to utilize that tool. And why? Because of ANTI-science or because of ANTI-government or because of ANTI-society? I feel that the window of time has closed on America. If we can NOT agree to fight a Pandemic, then what can we agree to fight? It seems like the answer is EACH OTHER.

And then there are those who cannot get past inspecting their own navels and think everything is about them. Cloud of suffering and death hanging over us... have you heard about the new monoclonal treatment that is available, working exceedingly well and is very close by?
The drama injected into the covid pandemic is almost worse than the virus.

[biker1]

Well, we know that you aren't a scientist. Scientists provide data to support their theories. They don't say something without data and assume it is true until somebody proves them wrong.

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I'll let you do that so you can prove me wrong.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by biker1

No, the treatment is also being recommended if you live with someone who has tested positive. "If a majority of the people heading for the treatment center are stopping along the way ..." ? Where do you get this nonsense from? You have no idea what the numbers are. Seriously, when you don't know what you are talking about the best thing is to keep your trap shut.

I hope that statement is incorrect. Hopefully, people are not being advised to go to the treatment center simply because they live with someone who has tested positive.

According to the Florida Dept of Health site, the treatments are

intended to be used in patients with mild to moderate COVID-19 who are at high risk for progressing to severe disease and/or hospitalization.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Yjacket74

Why aren’t these people getting vaccinations? It infuriates me that this isn’t political, but a national health problem!!!
Monoclonal Antibody treatment is a secondary solution. I would like to know if those receiving these treatments are paying for it. They should have to pay for it if they won’t get a vaccination.
I would like to try to live like I did before 2020, so dammit, GET A VACCINATION!

I wish you, I, and everyone could live like before 2020. I don't think that will happen. Dr. Osterholm, a virus expert, states that he believes it will be with us for 5 MORE YEARS. Also, I feel that with respect to the big picture problem of the Delta variant, that the monoclonal treatments are "like a band-aid placed on a broken arm". Yes, it will help some people, but that will be OFFSET by the increased psychology of NOT needing to take the vaccines.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I wish you, I, and everyone could live like before 2020. I don't think that will happen. Dr. Osterholm, a virus expert, states that he believes it will be with us for 5 MORE YEARS. Also, I feel that with respect to the big picture problem of the Delta variant, that the monoclonal treatments are "like a band-aid placed on a broken arm". Yes, it will help some people, but that will be OFFSET by the increased psychology of NOT needing to take the vaccines.

To say nothing of that tired old drum they hear beating and beating and beating and beating...............

[biker1]

It is correct. Our PCP recommended the antibody treatment for both of us when my wife tested positive with a breakthrough case. The folks at the Brownwood facility confirmed that it was appropriate if you lived with someone who has tested positive.

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I hope that statement is incorrect. Hopefully, people are not being advised to go to the treatment center simply because they live with someone who has tested positive.

According to the Florida Dept of Health site, the treatments are

intended to be used in patients with mild to moderate COVID-19 who are at high risk for progressing to severe disease and/or hospitalization.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I would imagine most folks receiving the antibody treatment are not vaccinated. Folks who are vaccinated have a very slim chance of needing hospitalization. That is the beauty of the vaccine.

Anyone have any stats on that?

I saw as statistics that less than 1% of the breakthroughs get hospitalized. And of those, a few with other serious ailments have died. I have only seen this once from a Doctor on TV. It could be one of those gray areas that are changing or don't have enough incidents involved for the stats to be solid? So, since it was asked about - I am volunteering what I know in the spirit of ADDING to a forum discussion. I do NOT claim it to be in any way COMPREHENSIVE.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

Why would you post something coming from your imagination? Why not try to get some facts instead of just letting your imagination run wild?

This IS a forum for public opinions to be expressed and knowledge gained for local risk assessment and other personal improvements. People to people knowledge swap. Opinions count for something in MY book. We are NOT capable of having this be a Scientific Review. And further, some posters get red in the face and DEMAND to see LINKS. Yet many LINKS are really subjective OPINIONS in disguise. I trust the OPINION of coffee bean more than the OPINION of DR Atlas. So I, for one, would like to continue to read the OPINION of coffee bean and others on this forum. Thank you very much to all !!!!!!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I believe the point of it being somewhere other than the theatre, lies in the fact that most people getting these treatment shots are being brought there by someone else. And that someone else is often the spouse or close friend. And that someone else needs something to do while they wait for the person to get their treatment. Or maybe they BOTH stop off in the square before getting in line, have a bite to eat inside the restaurant, maybe go shopping in any of the myriad of shops...

You're supposedly already presenting symptoms when you go for this treatment. The entire square becomes a petri dish, if a majority of people heading to the treatment center are stopping along the way, with symptoms, many rejecting masks, most of them not vaccinated.

At the Sharon, it's more isolated. There's no place to walk to, where you'll be in close proximity to crowds of other people. There are no stores there, no shops, no restaurants. There's little to do there IF you are going specifically to get the treatment, other than wait in line. That makes it safe for everyone else.

I agree with the content of this post.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Mrprez

I wonder why an anti-vaxxer would all of a sudden be willing to take this new treatment. What is different between this and a vaccine?

THAT is a GOOD question? The answer is a complex SOUP of culture, human nature, media like FACEBOOK, and propaganda - just to mention a few. Someone could write a book about that.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

And then there are those who cannot get past inspecting their own navels and think everything is about them. Cloud of suffering and death hanging over us... have you heard about the new monoclonal treatment that is available, working exceedingly well and is very close by?
The drama injected into the covid pandemic is almost worse than the virus.

It is TRUE that for an INDIVIDUAL that treatment could be a lifesaver. However, for the GREATER problem of society overcoming this Pandemic, those treatments will NOT stop the SPREAD. For society, it will be just a "drop in the bucket"!

[petiteone]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

So someone who was exposed or tested positive, probably unvaccinated parks in the OUTDOOR parking lot, walks OUTDOORS into the theater that is closed for everything else, gets an infusion of monoclonal antibodies alongside others that are in the same boat, then walks OUTDOORS back to their car parked OUTDOORS So you're at the shops in the square---just how does this affect you? Hardly OUTRAGEOUS.

As a retired physician, I think this setting is problematic and dangerous. Glad Monoclonal antibodies are available but they should be given in more suitable and restricted setting. Someone wasn't thinking when they chose a theater in a public busy town center. Here in NY they are being given in clinics with required ventilation and mask mandates.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by petiteone

As a retired physician, I think this setting is problematic and dangerous. Glad Monoclonal antibodies are available but they should be given in more suitable and restricted setting. Someone wasn't thinking when they chose a theater in a public busy town center. Here in NY they are being given in clinics with required ventilation and mask mandates.

Sure, OK, right. So, what is a clinic? It is just another building with a few medical instruments and medical staff, right? Clinics are not in business areas? So, in NY where they stick almost dead covid patients in with seniors, they know what is best for US here in Florida? Maybe so. Maybe NOT.

The ONLY other suggestion in this thread has been a highly trafficked reccenter and they want it closed down from use so that patients can be treated. Then they will complain about not having the center available and then worry that it was sanitized well enough. Sorry, but that dog does not hunt.

The theater is NOT in a town center. It is open to a basically remote parking lot, not even near a business. Nothing like the hospital that is near very busy shopping. The theater is in an optimal location which is very easily reached.

Sorry, but if someone tells me that they are inconvenienced by the treatment facility being near the square, then my response is SOOOOO? Live with it. Life is full of inconveniences. Some times things just don't go your way. There are plenty of other places for the elitists to congregate.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by petiteone

As a retired physician, I think this setting is problematic and dangerous. Glad Monoclonal antibodies are available but they should be given in more suitable and restricted setting. Someone wasn't thinking when they chose a theater in a public busy town center. Here in NY they are being given in clinics with required ventilation and mask mandates.

I can respect a different opinion from a colleague, but I have to ask if you are familiar with Brownwood, and the location of the theater, the parking lot and the back entrance?

Where is NY are these clinics in a less populated area? Certainly not NYU on 1st Ave or Lenox Hill on E 77th. Or are they? When I was in school, Kings County Hospital had 3,000 of the first 10,000 cases of HIV. The hysteria surrounding AIDS was similar to that of COVID. There were suggestions that all AIDS cases should be sent to an Aleutian Island! The NIMBYs didn't want them anywhere near them.

Then, add the factor that these are the same exact people that you would run into at the grocery store, bank, or pharmacy. Also add that most of them will follow the protocols, stay quarantined if positive and wear a mask. I really don't think anyone should get their undies in a bunch, unless we want to require a scarlet "C" or have them yell "unclean" if anyone comes near.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by petiteone

As a retired physician, I think this setting is problematic and dangerous. Glad Monoclonal antibodies are available but they should be given in more suitable and restricted setting. Someone wasn't thinking when they chose a theater in a public busy town center. Here in NY they are being given in clinics with required ventilation and mask mandates.

I agree with the contents of this post.