[frayedends]

Originally Posted by pokeefe45@aol.com

I think 'zero possibility' might become a 100% possibility soon. I'm expecting the golf cart bridge across the turnpike at 470 to be announced soon-maybe as soon as Tuesday at the 'Night with the Developers' being held at the Sharon. I am told it will be a golf cart only bridge-one 'pre-fabbed' off site, similar to the Chitty Chatty and Water Lily bridges. Those went up pretty quick. Wouldn't involve relocating turnpike exits at all-it would be just north of the entrances/exits. If you walk back in that area-you will see the surveying already being done-and the 'walking path' behind the southern most villas already graded to be easily expanded into a 'multi modal'. Makes Eastport a 10 minute car ride and 15 minute golf cart ride away, and puts Middleton just as close (access down Landstone Boulevard-the 'back' way). I live in Lake Denham-and this is exactly why I bought there. All this in one year-not 5 or 10. One of us is probably wrong, and one of us is probably right-Betting we'll find out soon!

I was looking at that walking path on google maps recently and totally agree. At least on the map it heads right toward the turnpike.

[frayedends]

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith

I hope you're correct, I'd like to collect on that 6:1 beer bet I have with Normal. I think the fact that he never really agreed to the bet isn't all that important.

If we get a bridge announced I will buy you 3 beers next time I’m down there.

Question for others (could be its own thread but you guys know about bridges).

When I go over Brownwood bridge and maybe a couple other bridges (golf cart bridges) there seems to be a walking path up and down but they stop at the main part of the bridge. Meaning they sort of lead right to the golf cart road over the bridge. Is walking over these bridges allowed? Seems if you are walking you’d have little space to get out of the way. The raised curb on the side is too thin to be walking on.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by LeRoySmith

I hope you're correct, I'd like to collect on that 6:1 beer bet I have with Normal. I think the fact that he never really agreed to the bet isn't all that important.

LOL, the distance between the WaterLilly and Bexley (Sawgrass) bridges is 2 and a half times greater than the distance of Bexley to 470 and the turnpike. What benefit would there be to all of a sudden put in an unneeded bridge because of a very few? Dabney residents only have to drive a cart to Sawgrass to pass over the turnpike. We are talking about golf carts after all.

[pokeefe45@aol.com]

Originally Posted by Normal

LOL, the distance between the WaterLilly and Bexley (Sawgrass) bridges is 2 and a half times greater than the distance of Bexley to 470 and the turnpike. What benefit would there be to all of a sudden put in an unneeded bridge because of a very few? Dabney residents only have to drive a cart to Sawgrass to pass over the turnpike. We are talking about golf carts after all.

Good question-2 reasons (IMHO)-1) TV is having a really hard time selling out Dabney-although I agree, not sure it makes sense to spend that much money to sell 100 houses (Plus 'Enclave' lots unsold) 2) Land south of Dabney is owned by TV on the Dabney side of the turnpike and slated for commercial development, to the best of my knowledge. My conjecture is that the Bridge over will lead to a tunnel under to give all residents access to the future commercial area. The 'bridge under' could be accomplished once the car overpass is rebuilt as part of the 'turnpike widening project'-I think slated for 2027-more info on that can be found at 'turnpike widening' Dot Com. That opens up the south side of 470 to thousands of 'golf carts' and makes the area more commercially viable in the distant future. So bottom line, I think Step 1 is the golf cart bridge-it will have to be there eventually spanning the new widened 8 lane turnpike-so why not now?

[Mass288]

Originally Posted by JRcorvette

Why would you want to live down there?

Because you dont..easy peasy

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by frayedends

If we get a bridge announced I will buy you 3 beers next time I’m down there.

Question for others (could be its own thread but you guys know about bridges).

When I go over Brownwood bridge and maybe a couple other bridges (golf cart bridges) there seems to be a walking path up and down but they stop at the main part of the bridge. Meaning they sort of lead right to the golf cart road over the bridge. Is walking over these bridges allowed? Seems if you are walking you’d have little space to get out of the way. The raised curb on the side is too thin to be walking on.

I doubt many walk over those bridges after doing once.

According to Don Wiley, at that time of design, FDOT was afraid walkers would throw stuff on the roads below. So FDOT would't approve a pedestrian walkway across the bridge.

More recently, several bridges, that look strikingly like the Villages bridges, have been approved with pedestrian walkways accross the Turnpike, Including the Bexley bridge.

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by Altavia

I doubt many walk over those bridges after doing once.

According to Don Wiley, at that time of design, FDOT was afraid walkers would throw stuff on the roads below. So FDOT would't approve a pedestrian walkway across the bridge.

More recently, several bridges, that look strikingly like the Villages bridges, have been approved with pedestrian walkways accross the Turnpike, Including the Bexley bridge.

Any issues on those structures.....with walkers throwing stuff on the roads below? Sounds more like an inner city excuse to me

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Normal

LOL, the distance between the WaterLilly and Bexley (Sawgrass) bridges is 2 and a half times greater than the distance of Bexley to 470 and the turnpike. What benefit would there be to all of a sudden put in an unneeded bridge because of a very few? Dabney residents only have to drive a cart to Sawgrass to pass over the turnpike. We are talking about golf carts after all.

A connection you may be missing is that any new bridge must also have pedestrian access.

It's a relatively small incremental cost within a four billion dollar project to widen into a MMP. Bexley Bridge and West Orange Trail are examples.

Maybe part of the reasons the bonds are so high in that area is to provide funding for the access?

[thelegges]

Originally Posted by frayedends

If we get a bridge announced I will buy you 3 beers next time I’m down there.

Question for others (could be its own thread but you guys know about bridges).

When I go over Brownwood bridge and maybe a couple other bridges (golf cart bridges) there seems to be a walking path up and down but they stop at the main part of the bridge. Meaning they sort of lead right to the golf cart road over the bridge. Is walking over these bridges allowed? Seems if you are walking you’d have little space to get out of the way. The raised curb on the side is too thin to be walking on.

The separate side with barrier is for bikes, who have a tendency to have hard time with the incline, slowing down carts. Safe way for them to go up hill then merge to go over bridge. Bridges aren’t really pedestrian friendly, no that little curb on the side isn’t made for people to walk. But to keep carts from hitting the side of bridge

[frayedends]

Originally Posted by thelegges

The separate side with barrier is for bikes, who have a tendency to have hard time with the incline, slowing down carts. Safe way for them to go up hill then merge to go over bridge. Bridges aren’t really pedestrian friendly, no that little curb on the side isn’t made for people to walk. But to keep carts from hitting the side of bridge

Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks!

[frayedends]

Listening to Gold Wingnut live and he thinks there will be a golf cart path over the turnpike on 470. They have to build another bridge. They will redo the ramps. The developer has the contract to build it with Lake County. So it's not the turnpike authority. That makes a lot of sense that they would put a golf cart path.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by frayedends

Listening to Gold Wingnut live and he thinks there will be a golf cart path over the turnpike on 470. They have to build another bridge. They will redo the ramps. The developer has the contract to build it with Lake County. So it's not the turnpike authority. That makes a lot of sense that they would put a golf cart path.

Thanks for the update and good news the build is contracted to the Developer.

[frayedends]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Thanks for the update and good news the build is contracted to the Developer.

Can you give me an opinion on this part of the video, at 58:17 someone asked about a tunnel under 470 at Dabney to the new area south of 470. The area is owned by the Villages and Don said it will be commercial, most likely. The way Don phrased it I think he would bet there will be a tunnel. But listening to it a few times, he may have meant he'd take the side of that bet that they wouldn't do it.

By "easy money" I assume he meant they'd make money by Villagers having golf cart access to new stores.

What do you think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHFXi9oBVf0

[Mass288]

Originally Posted by mikemalloy

Just curious, where do you go to get a quart of milk?

Publix or win Dixie both just over 2 miles away..was there a question????

[thelegges]

Well Tradewinds isn’t golf cart accessible, yet the parking lot is pretty full. So whatever retail they build on the other side of 470, will still be busy even if it’s by car only.

If we play golf near Lopez we drive a cart from Richmond, but if we are going to eat in the general area we drive. That way we can stop at couple of places on the way home.

Either way for us when we bought in Pennacamp everyone on this site said we were isolated, and no one would buy those houses. That didn’t happen

Plus I am surprised developers would start discounting houses in left field at the corner of Isolated and end of the earth if a bridge was coming in the next year or so.

Every neighborhood has waited for enough homes to be built before retail was opened. No businesses will open and be void of customers unless they have a reason to throw away money.