[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

"Burns" have been part of the earth's evolution, since the beginning. They're not new, nor are they pollution.

The Environmentalism as a Religion folks, seem oblivious to the fact that a huge percentage of what they view as pollution, has existed since the beginning of time and have helped make the earth what it is today.

It's unfortunate that uncontrolled burns aren't as practical today, as they were a few centuries ago, but that's the world we live in and part of the earth's evolutionary cycle we've chosen to interfere with.

The earth and civilization didn't begin the day today's Environmentalists arrived, it was around for centuries and doing just fine, without the nonsense and blather we have to hear every day from the revisionists.

I don't see environmentalists as terrible or stupid people. We all have large catalytic converters in our gasoline vehicles BECAUSE people in the US and elsewhere cared about air quality a long time ago. Personally, I wish that more people today would use electric vehicles and lawnmowers and small motorized tools like chain saws.
........People are living LONGER productive lives because they finally realized that smoking inside buildings causes lung cancer for all that would breathe the smoke in.
.........I see environmentalists simply as concerned citizens that would like to see human living conditions constantly improving.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye

I wouldn’t worry about it, we can’t do anything about it anyhow!

I would say that almost any problem can be solved if people put enough time and energy into it. I could think of 2 possibilities very quickly if we were "BRAINSTORMING" for solutions. #1 use herds GOATS to eat the underbrush - thus converting it to goat protein that could be sold for a PROFIT. #2 Instead of burning - use electric farm tractors to cut down the underbrush and electric vehicles to haul it away. Haul it to sites or factories where it could DECOMPOSE and that heat energy be used to produce ELECTRICITY.
.......even a #3...... Study what European countries do about the problem. Do they ALL burn?

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would say that almost any problem can be solved if people put enough time and energy into it. I could think of 2 possibilities very quickly if we were "BRAINSTORMING" for solutions. #1 use herds GOATS to eat the underbrush - thus converting it to goat protein that could be sold for a PROFIT. #2 Instead of burning - use electric farm tractors to cut down the underbrush and electric vehicles to haul it away. Haul it to sites or factories where it could DECOMPOSE and that heat energy be used to produce ELECTRICITY.
.......even a #3...... Study what European countries do about the problem. Do they ALL burn?

"Burning" is generally required (by nature) for forest and other types of growth to evolve. It's called Forest Secession.

I'm not sure what this particular controlled burn was for, but fires are important in the evolution for woodlands. For example, hardwood forests, are almost always a result of a fire in an existing Pine forest.


Forest Succession – Duke Forest

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would say that almost any problem can be solved if people put enough time and energy into it. I could think of 2 possibilities very quickly if we were "BRAINSTORMING" for solutions. #1 use herds GOATS to eat the underbrush - thus converting it to goat protein that could be sold for a PROFIT. #2 Instead of burning - use electric farm tractors to cut down the underbrush and electric vehicles to haul it away. Haul it to sites or factories where it could DECOMPOSE and that heat energy be used to produce ELECTRICITY.
.......even a #3...... Study what European countries do about the problem. Do they ALL burn?

Electric farm equipment will not be able to plow field in my life time. Now might be able to use one or two bottom plow for about 45 mins. Then recharge for hours. But couple horses would be more productive.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I would say that almost any problem can be solved if people put enough time and energy into it. I could think of 2 possibilities very quickly if we were "BRAINSTORMING" for solutions. #1 use herds GOATS to eat the underbrush - thus converting it to goat protein that could be sold for a PROFIT. #2 Instead of burning - use electric farm tractors to cut down the underbrush and electric vehicles to haul it away. Haul it to sites or factories where it could DECOMPOSE and that heat energy be used to produce ELECTRICITY.
.......even a #3...... Study what European countries do about the problem. Do they ALL burn?

The good old college try “brainstorming” when they don’t have to solve anything. Don’t goats produce methane?

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

And the world is worried about air pollution.

and global warming due to combustion of carbon based fuels.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

"Burning" is generally required (by nature) for forest and other types of growth to evolve. It's called Forest Secession.

I'm not sure what this particular controlled burn was for, but fires are important in the evolution for woodlands. For example, hardwood forests, are almost always a result of a fire in an existing Pine forest.


Forest Succession – Duke Forest

And the giant redwoods and pines in Yellowstone require fire for their pine cones to open up and release their seeds...

But why let facts get in the way of "goats"...

[Two Bills]

In the UK, we still have controlled burns every year to rejuvenate, and promote new growth on our heathlands.
Many types of trees need fire to germinate.
'tis how nature works.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

"Burns" have been part of the earth's evolution, since the beginning. They're not new, nor are they pollution.

The Environmentalism as a Religion folks, seem oblivious to the fact that a huge percentage of what they view as pollution, has existed since the beginning of time and have helped make the earth what it is today.

It's unfortunate that uncontrolled burns aren't as practical today, as they were a few centuries ago, but that's the world we live in and part of the earth's evolutionary cycle we've chosen to interfere with.

The earth and civilization didn't begin the day today's Environmentalists arrived, it was around for centuries and doing just fine, without the nonsense and blather we have to hear every day from the revisionists.

you quoted my "not worried enough" in this post you made. I think you misunderstood my intent. I don't disagree with the value of controlled burns.
That's not inconsistent with a general observation that the human race is not worried enough about air pollution, hence we don't do enough to change our behaviors to mitigate it.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

The good old college try “brainstorming” when they don’t have to solve anything. Don’t goats produce methane?

Yes. But goat farts are likely not nearly as poluting as a gas-powered brush cutter and truck to haul it n and out plus haul the cuttings to a dump site. And the goats will be providing fertilizer as they go about their business.
No system is perfect, but some are better than others. In the pursuit of profit, mankind (generally) thinks short-term and often doesn't see the damage o himself or environment until it is too late. The "evil" tree huggers of the past and "evil" government " brought about the reforms and regulations that help keep our air, water, and environment as good as it is. Those that fought and argued against those regs and reforms are responsible for the fact the air quality, water quality, and environment aren't even better. Bashing others attempts at ideas to possibly help the situation is counter productive. Come up with ideas to help improve things, if you can. People can either be an aid to a better world, or a roadblock.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Yes. But goat farts are likely not nearly as poluting as a gas-powered brush cutter and truck to haul it n and out plus haul the cuttings to a dump site. And the goats will be providing fertilizer as they go about their business.
No system is perfect, but some are better than others. In the pursuit of profit, mankind (generally) thinks short-term and often doesn't see the damage o himself or environment until it is too late. The "evil" tree huggers of the past and "evil" government " brought about the reforms and regulations that help keep our air, water, and environment as good as it is. Those that fought and argued against those regs and reforms are responsible for the fact the air quality, water quality, and environment aren't even better. Bashing others attempts at ideas to possibly help the situation is counter productive. Come up with ideas to help improve things, if you can. People can either be an aid to a better world, or a roadblock.

Won't the goats just be a buffet for the bears, bobcats, and alligators?

[Dusty_Star]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Won't the goats just be a buffet for the bears, bobcats, and alligators?

Not to mention humans. Goats are very productive farm animals.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Won't the goats just be a buffet for the bears, bobcats, and alligators?

No. We have seen them used where we lived before. The herd walks from area to area by the goatherd and his dog. They travel through the community cleaning out bush and bramble that amazed me. They "mowed" lawns, cleaning up the trimmings along with the weeds.
Goats produce milk that makes great cheese. Plus, they are fun to watch. And, as far as the buffet goes, they are good eating. If I was allowed, I'd get a goat for my yard here. Dump my yard service for cutting, weed and fertilizer. Even with my good sized corner lot, I might have to get a couple of neighbors to let me do their yards, just to keep the goat fed.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

No. We have seen them used where we lived before. The herd walks from area to area by the goatherd and his dog. They travel through the community cleaning out bush and bramble that amazed me. They "mowed" lawns, cleaning up the trimmings along with the weeds.
Goats produce milk that makes great cheese. Plus, they are fun to watch. And, as far as the buffet goes, they are good eating. If I was allowed, I'd get a goat for my yard here. Dump my yard service for cutting, weed and fertilizer. Even with my good sized corner lot, I might have to get a couple of neighbors to let me do their yards, just to keep the goat fed.

Was the area you used to live filled with bears, gators and bobcats, etc, like the ONF?

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

They are doing a controlled burn in ONF.

I had read about the burns last week; either in a a newspaper (not the D. Sun) or was reading a regular newspaper on line. There was a listing of the impending controlled burns, and the dates.