[YeOldeCurmudgeon]

Not only that but how about the people who sit in their cars with the motor running when it's either too hot or a little cold playing with the cell phone. I saw a young person in the car next to where I parked one evening when I went shopping and I had to get a lot of things, so I was in there for a long time and it was still parked with the motor running. Believe that?

I also see lot of other people doing the same, maybe not as long but still. Imagine, the amount of gas being wasted?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

If you are claiming that Florida has an effective screening system for issuing handicapped parking permits, I disagree.

Since I don't actively practice in FL (I DO have a FL license, though), I can't answer than.

But I CAN comment on what has happened in DC...

Regardless, ethics are ethics and ethics courses are required for license renewal...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

We are not talking blocks. Every parking lot is a walking distance from the entrance, it be a doctor's office, a restaurant or a supermarket. None of these handicap spots are inches away from the door. What I'm trying to get across is if you are not using a walker or a wheelchair, park in a regular spot. It might be a few feet more steps, but it allows the people who need the extra space that the handicap spots offer to be use by the people who need it. When I pull into a regular spot with my wife, I make sure the driver side is almost on the line, so I have enough room to open the passenger door all the way and get the wheelchair in place without hitting the car next to her side.

"Inches" Hyperbole much? All you're doing is making up scenarios that are "easy" for a disabled person to navigate. Life is rarely "easy"...

And no, every parking lot is NOT "a walking distance" from anything...

Ever been to the squares, or the country clubs for dinner? My friend (who's wife MUST use a wheelchair at all times), almost always has to pull up to the restaurant, off load his wife into her wheelchair (where we, or someone else is waiting), and than go park his accessible vehicle in the lot behind the squares, several blocks away or across the (rather large) country club lot. If there happens to be a handicap space available, he'll use it.

That walk is difficult for him due to his back problems (which are exacerbated by caring for his disabled wife)...

But if the lot is empty, you're right... But we all know how often that happens...

[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

My wife has advanced COPD, severe rheumatoid arthritis that keeps her in pain and mobility issues due to a back injury. She has a disabled placard. Sometimes I drive her to do her shopping and park in a disabled spot and she will walk to the store. She tries to do as much as she can physically and will walk back to the car, where I'm waiting, when she finishes shopping. Some days after walking around in the store her pain level and inability to breathe gets the best of her and she will call me on the phone and ask me to pick her up.
I advise any busy bodies to mind their own business and not approach me with their righteous attitude.

I agree with that last sentence. MYOB.

[fdpaq0580]

Just an "off the wall" thought. If Jesus was walking into Winn-Dixie and saw someone just hanging out in a handicapped space, would he ascertain if that person was using that space legit, or would he say to himself "keep walking J, it's none of you business?

[Blackbird45]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

"Inches" Hyperbole much? All you're doing is making up scenarios that are "easy" for a disabled person to navigate. Life is rarely "easy"...

And no, every parking lot is NOT "a walking distance" from anything...

Ever been to the squares, or the country clubs for dinner? My friend (who's wife MUST use a wheelchair at all times), almost always has to pull up to the restaurant, off load his wife into her wheelchair (where we, or someone else is waiting), and than go park his accessible vehicle in the lot behind the squares, several blocks away or across the (rather large) country club lot. If there happens to be a handicap space available, he'll use it.

That walk is difficult for him due to his back problems (which are exacerbated by caring for his disabled wife)...

But if the lot is empty, you're right... But we all know how often that happens...

Let me tell you you're lucky, my wife and I have not been to a town square in over 5 years, she has not been in a supermarket in 5 years. In the past year she only been to one restaurant. The only time she gets out of the car is when I take her to the doctor. Today I had a PT come to my house and we both decided that I should buy an electric lift to get her out of bed. I purchased one by the time he left my driveway. You might not think I have the right to be irritated when I see a golf cart in a handicap spot, but there is a good chance by the end of this year that will no longer be a problem.

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

"Inches" Hyperbole much? All you're doing is making up scenarios that are "easy" for a disabled person to navigate. Life is rarely "easy"...

And no, every parking lot is NOT "a walking distance" from anything...

Ever been to the squares, or the country clubs for dinner? My friend (who's wife MUST use a wheelchair at all times), almost always has to pull up to the restaurant, off load his wife into her wheelchair (where we, or someone else is waiting), and than go park his accessible vehicle in the lot behind the squares, several blocks away or across the (rather large) country club lot. If there happens to be a handicap space available, he'll use it.

That walk is difficult for him due to his back problems (which are exacerbated by caring for his disabled wife)...

But if the lot is empty, you're right... But we all know how often that happens...

Might as well save your breath (or in this case keystrokes !) when trying to explain a point to people, at times it's like trying to smell the number 7, it's just not possible !

[Pairadocs]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Worse yet in a restaurant.

Met friend for breakfast, let her decide the place, didn't matter to me. She chose a location near both our villages. Had our coffee and our order was in. Chatted as we waited for the food. Meals came for the table right next to us, RIGHT next to us, very crowded, popular spot. Didn't pay much attention, was deep into our conversation. Our food arrived and as we were getting the food settled, coffee refills, etc. I was shocked to see a DOG eating from a restaurant dish, provided by the server (she handed the extra dish to the customer as she put our food in front of us). As we attempted to eat, the couple and the DOG next to us shared their breakfast, the dog ate while sitting on the LAP of the woman/wife.

I kept trying to eat, and finally my friend asked, "are you okay ?", I nodded I was fine, just not particularly hungry. She asked "is that bothering you?" and made a slight nodding motion with her head, indicating the table of the threesome sharing breakfast. I didn't say a word, just nodded "yes". She offered to leave if I could not get through the meal, I nodded "no" and indicated I would get through it. We both had many dogs when we were raising our families, along with many other pets. When we left and were safely in the car, we both confessed we had never in all those years sat down and shared a meal AT a table with our families and our pets at the same time. Have not been back to that restaurant since. As we were leaving, noticed our same waitress brought a bowl of water for the dog after he/she ate her breakfast. The owner put the bowl down on the floor, and took the dog off her lap when he lapped the water...... I have no objection to people who really enjoy dinging with animals, I'm sure many enjoy those places. Wish I'd known ! Do did my friend, she had no idea when she made the suggestion !

[Pairadocs]

additionm

Originally Posted by Gpsma

Having a handicapped sticker here in TV just means u have moved up on the Entitlement scale.

Personally, i park in the closest handicap spot and i dont have a placard. There arent enough police to enforce the rule.

If you are truly handicapped…just order stuff online.

Missing the "logic". Would it follow then that since there are not enough police to be everywhere, catch every violation, is it fine to speed ? Okay to shop lift a few things, maybe just small things ? Would it follow then that anyone can park in those spaces marked "police only", "curbside order pickup", and even areas near fire hydrants ? What about at the self checkouts in the grocery stores ? Is there are many more customers at stations than the one employee assigned to the area can watch at once, is it fine then to just slip an item or two you have NOT scanned, into the bag of the items you scanned ? It's all the same thing, it's a phenomenon called "situational ethics" and also known as circumstantial morality ? Size up the circumstances, if it looks like you won't get caught, go for it. It's certainly one perspective, fortunately not the prevailing one !

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

Let me tell you you're lucky, my wife and I have not been to a town square in over 5 years, she has not been in a supermarket in 5 years. In the past year she only been to one restaurant. The only time she gets out of the car is when I take her to the doctor. Today I had a PT come to my house and we both decided that I should buy an electric lift to get her out of bed. I purchased one by the time he left my driveway. You might not think I have the right to be irritated when I see a golf cart in a handicap spot, but there is a good chance by the end of this year that will no longer be a problem.

Sounds like you're agreeing with me...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Pairadocs

additionm

Missing the "logic". Would it follow then that since there are not enough police to be everywhere, catch every violation, is it fine to speed ? Okay to shop lift a few things, maybe just small things ? Would it follow then that anyone can park in those spaces marked "police only", "curbside order pickup", and even areas near fire hydrants ? What about at the self checkouts in the grocery stores ? Is there are many more customers at stations than the one employee assigned to the area can watch at once, is it fine then to just slip an item or two you have NOT scanned, into the bag of the items you scanned ? It's all the same thing, it's a phenomenon called "situational ethics" and also known as circumstantial morality ? Size up the circumstances, if it looks like you won't get caught, go for it. It's certainly one perspective, fortunately not the prevailing one !

Methinks he's just being a "troll"...

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Just an "off the wall" thought. If Jesus was walking into Winn-Dixie and saw someone just hanging out in a handicapped space, would he ascertain if that person was using that space legit, or would he say to himself "keep walking J, it's none of you business?

Just like in Iran, we need a Morality Police in TV to deal with all the sinners living here.

[TSO/ISPF]

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Just an "off the wall" thought. If Jesus was walking into Winn-Dixie and saw someone just hanging out in a handicapped space, would he ascertain if that person was using that space legit, or would he say to himself "keep walking J, it's none of you business?

In hindsight, I should have offered to hold the spot right next to him when I backed out so he could move over. Only one spot further away. He might not have become so incensed.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Gpsma

Having a handicapped sticker here in TV just means u have moved up on the Entitlement scale.

Personally, i park in the closest handicap spot and i dont have a placard. There arent enough police to enforce the rule.

If you are truly handicapped…just order stuff online.

This must be tongue in cheek. You can’t possibly be serious!

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Sounds like you're agreeing with me...

In this instance, it is not about You!