[virgind]

Please send me an email if you would reject the golf cart paths having lines on the sides or center. This would be a total irresponsible waste of money. My email is ddebbe@gmail.com FYI I live in Virginia Trace. Thank you This is legit just in case they think they want to do this. District 8 is doing it against will of many residents.

[Mleeja]

I think even those against striping agree that visability on the MMPs can be difficult in darkness or inclement weather. I want to hear, or see in writing, their suggestions for making the paths safer. "Personal responsibility" doesn't cut it for those who drive to meet the conditions. We are still being passed by speeding carts, having to take actions to avoid others taking both haves of the middle. Being blinded by oncoming carts or from carts tailgating. Why is making the paths safer for all an "irresponsible waste of money"?

[Chi-Town]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

I think even those against striping agree that visability on the MMPs can be difficult in darkness or inclement weather. I want to hear, or see in writing, their suggestions for making the paths safer. "Personal responsibility" doesn't cut it for those who drive to meet the conditions. We are still being passed by speeding carts, having to take actions to avoid others taking both haves of the middle. Being blinded by oncoming carts or from carts tailgating. Why is making the paths safer for all an "irresponsible waste of money"?

Nicely stated.

[njbchbum]

Mleeja - What makes you think that striping will change the selfish, careless, self-centered ways of a speeding cart, a tailgater or a cart driving 'both halves of the middle'? How does a stripe make the path safer if drivers still abuse the space? Gun laws don't stop murders, red lights don't stop drivers from running thru them, stop signs don't make drivers stop at them...even villages gates are broken by the impatient! Only a courteous, disciplined driver exercising personal responsibility on the paths will make them safer...not a stripe - in the middle or along the edge!

[Topspinmo]

I propose concrete barrier's down the center and guard rails down the sides all paths! Might as well deplete all the excess funds so monthly tax can be raised to more unrealistic level. After all we are all rich here in th villages and somebody need to redirect or bank accounts:

Might as well put anti braking self stopping radar on all carts and breathizer starting also. And eye test to get the cart to move.

"O" I forgot wire cage on the sides of golf cart so we don't fall out? That should cover all safety concerns? Notice I said should?

[wudda1955]

I'm not understanding how striping will stop being blinded by oncoming carts or keep drivers from tailgating. How will striping stop a cart from passing another? It may stop someone from driving in the middle of the path, but honestly, the only time I've seen this is when the driver is trying to avoid something on their side of the road--a fallen palm frond, a sprinkler gone awry, or a deep puddle, for instance.

[outlaw]

The engineer that performed the study stated that he observed carts using the CDD4 striped path and concluded that the carts tended to cross into the left path when passing someone (walker, slower cart), then quickly moved back into their proper lane. As opposed to the non-striped path behavior, where the passing cart meandered along the path over a longer distance in the other lane. That is exactly what I want a center line to cause.

[Xcuse]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

I think even those against striping agree that visability on the MMPs can be difficult in darkness or inclement weather. I want to hear, or see in writing, their suggestions for making the paths safer. "Personal responsibility" doesn't cut it for those who drive to meet the conditions. We are still being passed by speeding carts, having to take actions to avoid others taking both haves of the middle. Being blinded by oncoming carts or from carts tailgating. Why is making the paths safer for all an "irresponsible waste of money"?

Striping on the multi-modal paths will not make them safer for everyone. It will make them slipperier when damp for skaters, cyclists etc.

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by Xcuse

Striping on the multi-modal paths will not make them safer for everyone. It will make them slipperier when damp for skaters, cyclists etc.

Are you going to skating in the rain? Everyone keeps telling me what they wouldn't do. What would you do to improve the safety of the MMPs. I want a serious answer, not some comment like the "concrete barrier in the middle"? That does not add value to the disucssion.

[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

Mleeja - What makes you think that striping will change the selfish, careless, self-centered ways of a speeding cart, a tailgater or a cart driving 'both halves of the middle'? How does a stripe make the path safer if drivers still abuse the space? Gun laws don't stop murders, red lights don't stop drivers from running thru them, stop signs don't make drivers stop at them...even villages gates are broken by the impatient! Only a courteous, disciplined driver exercising personal responsibility on the paths will make them safer...not a stripe - in the middle or along the edge!

I can't change the actions of irresponsible drivers. Unfortunately, some of them are the ones against the striping. I want the MMPs to have stripes so I can use them as reference points in the dark or the rain. I want to have as many tools as possible to protect myself. Just like gun laws, I can own a gun to protect myself from the "crazies". Why can't I have stripes to help me from the "crazies" when I am driving?

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

I can't change the actions of irresponsible drivers...

I agree, Mleeja. Whether for or against striping, the attempt to somehow say striping is not needed because there are some bad drivers out there makes no sense.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

I can't change the actions of irresponsible drivers. Unfortunately, some of them are the ones against the striping. I want the MMPs to have stripes so I can use them as reference points in the dark or the rain. I want to have as many tools as possible to protect myself. Just like gun laws, I can own a gun to protect myself from the "crazies". Why can't I have stripes to help me from the "crazies" when I am driving?

Perhaps because a gun is a tool that enables you to take a specific protective action? How are you going to use that stripe to protect anything? You said yourself, "I can't change the actions of irresponsible drivers." - the stripe is not going to protect you from the irresponsible and you don't need protection from the responsible!

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

I agree, Mleeja. Whether for or against striping, the attempt to somehow say striping is not needed because there are some bad drivers out there makes no sense.

So will striping change irresponsible drivers into responsible ones? NOT! But I bet it will further frustrate responsible drivers who post-striping will expect all drivers to drive responsibly and stay within their lines.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

So will striping change irresponsible drivers into responsible ones? NOT! But I bet it will further frustrate responsible drivers who post-striping will expect all drivers to drive responsibly and stay within their lines.

Once again, I simply fail to see the logic.

Name a roadway safety feature that has turned or will turn an irresponsible driver into a responsible one. There are none.

And responsible drivers never expect all drivers to act responsibly all the time.

[Mleeja]

I have asked in this thread and other threads on this topic for those who are against the striping to offer alternatives to make the MMPs safer. All I have received is....nothing...well not serious replies anyway. I have received a lot of criticism because I support the idea of improving the safety of the MMPs.

If striping is not needed, then let leave it off the streets and highways as well. We all responsible and will drive in the correct manner.