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JMintzer 04-17-2022 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2084713)
It happened, the change is upon us. With another large offshore wind turbine farm just licensed, in a few years, we will see more and more. Coal is on the way out. It has no future - short of economic collapse killing any innovative new solutions.

Wind Market Reports: 2021 Edition | Department of Energy

Sadly, in today's world everything is "supposedly", since there seems to be more misinformation than information available.

China continues to add coal-fired power plants within its borders, bringing forty-one gigawatts of coal power on line in 2020 alone, which accounted for seventy-five percent of the global total.

MartinSE 04-17-2022 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084721)
China continues to add coal-fired power plants within its borders, bringing forty-one gigawatts of coal power online in 2020 alone, which accounted for seventy-five percent of the global total.

You are right, but another way to look at China's electrical production is their coal-produced electrical generation as a percentage of generation has remained flat since the 2010-2015 era while all other forms have increased.

Chinese coal-fired electricity generation expected to flatten as mix shifts to renewables - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

MartinSE 04-17-2022 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084346)
Yes, house cats kill environmentally protected bird all the time... Wait, what?

Ah, someone inserted "protected"

MartinSE 04-17-2022 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredman (Post 2083996)
You can buy a EV from Mercedes if you happen to have $103,000 laying around and that is the starting price.

You can buy an EV from Atomic Car if you have $16K sitting around and save that much within a couple of years in maintenance and fuel if you simply use it to do all your local driving and park your Excursion SUV saving it for long-distance trips.

The TOC for the average lower to middle-class worker driving to work, shopping, entertainment for 99% of their use case will certainly see a significant reduction in transportation costs on the budget compared to say a Toyota Yaris or other "inexpensive" ICE vehicle.

That is ONE there are literally hundreds of new products coming online this year

JMintzer 04-17-2022 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2084755)
You are right, but another way to look at China's electrical production is their coal-produced electrical generation as a percentage of generation has remained flat since the 2010-2015 era while all other forms have increased.

Chinese coal-fired electricity generation expected to flatten as mix shifts to renewables - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Yet, you said this: "Coal is on the way out. It has no future..."

It is patently untrue...

Until we finally embrace the newer MUCH safer Nuclear technology, coal ain't going nowhere...

JMintzer 04-17-2022 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2084756)
Ah, someone inserted "protected"

That is because that is what the complaint about wind turbines is all about.

It is not (and never was) about killing flying rats (pigeons) that cats seem to like...

Fredman 04-17-2022 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2084759)
You can buy an EV from Atomic Car if you have $16K sitting around and save that much within a couple of years in maintenance and fuel if you simply use it to do all your local driving and park your Excursion SUV saving it for long-distance trips.

The TOC for the average lower to middle-class worker driving to work, shopping, entertainment for 99% of their use case will certainly see a significant reduction in transportation costs on the budget compared to say a Toyota Yaris or other "inexpensive" ICE vehicle.

That is ONE there are literally hundreds of new products coming online this year

I consider those thing SV’s. Suicide Vehicles. One wreck and you are toast.

JMintzer 04-17-2022 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2084759)
You can buy an EV from Atomic Car if you have $16K sitting around and save that much within a couple of years in maintenance and fuel if you simply use it to do all your local driving and park your Excursion SUV saving it for long-distance trips.

The TOC for the average lower to middle-class worker driving to work, shopping, entertainment for 99% of their use case will certainly see a significant reduction in transportation costs on the budget compared to say a Toyota Yaris or other "inexpensive" ICE vehicle.

That is ONE there are literally hundreds of new products coming online this year

The people struggling with inflation and gas prices have neither the $103K, nor the $16K "laying around" to buy anything...

And like I've already pointed out, the Atomic Car only has VERY limited use for those with families...

MartinSE 04-18-2022 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084760)
Yet, you said this: "Coal is on the way out. It has no future..."

It is patently untrue...

Until we finally embrace the newer MUCH safer Nuclear technology, coal ain't going nowhere...

Well, coal is on the way out is not patently untrue. But, it currently makes up about 85% of our generation capacity being retired.

While my post may be exaggerated or at least imply "any day now". It is a fact that coal generation is being retired.

Coal will account for 85% of U.S. electric generating capacity retirements in 2022 - Today in Energy - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

MartinSE 04-18-2022 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2084854)
The people struggling with inflation and gas prices have neither the $103K, nor the $16K "laying around" to buy anything...

And like I've already pointed out, the Atomic Car only has VERY limited use for those with families...

Okay, so we should do nothing, since that situation is not ever going to change? And for those that can afford a 20K car (financed) they should not have the option? Inflation comes and goes poverty doesn't. It should, it is embarrassing that the richest country on the earth has so many poor.

I guess I don't understand the point of your post.

JMintzer 04-18-2022 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MartinSE (Post 2084969)
Okay, so we should do nothing, since that situation is not ever going to change? And for those that can afford a 20K car (financed) they should not have the option? Inflation comes and goes poverty doesn't. It should, it is embarrassing that the richest country on the earth has so many poor.

I guess I don't understand the point of your post.

Ah, the old "either we do what I want or do nothing" argument...

The answer is simple. Stop making policies that drive up the price of fossil fuels AND continue to develop new technologies, AND invest in new Nuclear plants...


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