Have never seen e15 in Florida but have seen it in states like Colorado. All of the stations I go to only sell 89 or higher octane. Some stations do sell non ethanol gas but they are rare.

My understanding is that E15 will now be allowed to be sold year round and nothing will change in Florida(except for the wild fluctuations in price)

Mercedes just announced an electric car which will go 600 miles on one charge. This could be a game changer when them and other producers can get the cost down. Cost to engineer these cars are probably out of sight, but the actual cost(s) to build should be less than an ICE car. Saving a lot will be faster than most people think

Doubt Exxon Mobile etc has any incentive to sell gas at $2.00 a gallon.

You can buy a EV from Mercedes if you happen to have $103,000 laying around and that is the starting price.

It is estimated that less than 2% (I think the number was 1.8%) of gas stations can pump E15. So, very few people will be affected. It is one tiny thing. Rather than a silver bullet, it is one thing of many that can be done.

They make the same small amount/gallon sold, regardless of the price...

As you know, batteries get weaker and weaker as they are used and recharged. Today, you might squeeze 600 miles, coasting part of the way and then tomorrow you might get 400 miles, etc. Replacing the batteries costs as much as a used car, and recycling those batteries will KEEP the price high. Battery power is NOT the answer right now. We need alternatives, such as hydrogen fuel cells or high capacity storage capacitors, etc. just for examples of possible lower cost ideas. We have plenty of oil under us to last us many years while someone continues to explore new ideas of cheaper transportation. Why FORCE us to make the change when the change is way TOO EXPENSIVE for most families?

I don;'t recall ANYONE being forced to buy electric. Did you get a visitor with a large gun that threatened you? (that was silly, but so is your constant use of the word FORCE. There are incentives to encourage people who are on the fence to buy electric, which will accelerate the adoption and the will help companies cover the cost of conversion.

Yes, EVs with batteries are NOT perfect right now for EVERYONE. They are perfect right now for many. Tesla is currently backordered for close to a year, because they are in fact PERFECT for many - too man y to keep up with demand.

As to your comment about battery life: Here is the warranty information on Tesla - sort of disagrees with your exaggerated commetn:

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Battery and Drive Unit Limited Warranty
The Battery and Drive Unit in your vehicle are covered for a period of:

Model S Model X
8 years or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.

Model 3 Rear-Wheel Drive
8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.

Model 3 Long Range
Model 3 Performance
Model Y Long Range
Model Y Performance
8 years or 120,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period.

These warranties cover the repair or replacement necessary to correct defects in the materials or workmanship of any parts manufactured or supplied by Tesla, which occur under normal use.
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At 8 years they are warranted to still hold 70% of their capacity. So, using your numbers, the degrading to 400 miles will not be tomorrow it will be in 8 years or 120,000 to 150,000 miles. At that point, there will be a market for those to be used as solar storage for homes of people that can't afford a new battery wall. So some of the cost of replacing will be recoverable. How much, no way to predict something 8 years in the future.

They do NOT stop working at that point, the will continue working for many more years if you don't want to replace them.

In 8 years battery technology will be vastly better than today, that includes lower cost, longer life, and faster charging.

Now, considering the cost of an EV, which you claim no one can afford (except those people waiting in line to get their backordered car).

Typical Tesla owners see ZERO $0 maintenance cost for the first 40,000 miles (if they do not abuse the car). Brakes will certainly outlast any ICE car because of the regenerative braking. I believe Tesla has considered simply giving a life time warranty on brakes because they pretty much don't wear out - and it would be good marketing.

Cost of fuel for the same period saves about $2,000 per year over a BMW.

Cost of fuel and maintenance for a typical BMW is about $20,000 for 100,000 miles. Typical total cost of ownership for a Tesla over the same period is around $4,500.

So, IF one wanted to replace the batteries after 150,000 miles. The net cost would be around ZERO - considering the TCO paid by the average BMW owner compared to the TCO of the Tesla.

So, as I said at the top of this, the EVs are NOT perfect for everyone, but they are PERFECT for many - so many Tesla can not keep up with demand. They just opened their Giga factory in Texas to help, but it will be years (decades maybe) before EVs can keep up with demand. To replace the 300 million cars on the road in the US with EVs will take decades at the most optimistic production ramp up rates. Not to mention infrastructure changes etc to support them.

I am sorry, it upsets you so much that EVs are coming. I am sorry it upsets you so much that the government is supporting conversion to EVs. The Government has always (since the beginning of the US) supported industry in many ways - subsidies (a relatively recent invention) is just one way the government attempts to guide industry to do what the people want (need?)

But, while there are many issues with EVs, your repeated comments on affordability and longevity and desirability are at best an exaggeration. They may be true for you, but NOT for everyone as you imply. If fact, I know a lot of Tesla owners, and they are just your average TV residents, and ever single one that I know is thrilled with their Teslas. Two of my children own Teslas and they gush constantly on their cars, and rave about the cost savings and fun of driving.

And to your last comment, "why force us to change now when we can continue on gas for years" (Paraphrased). No one is forcing you, on the other hand, if you are correct and we have enough oil for years, then we are in deep ****. Because if we start right now, and we are, ramping up production, it will take no less than decades to replace the ICE vehicles. So, based on your estimate, how are people going to get to work for the decades after we run out of oil? And if we ONLY have a years of oil left, I assume you know what happens to the price of a resource as it begins to run out? Yeah, you think $5.00/gal for gas is unsustainable? Just wait until the oil companies KNOW they only have 10 years of oil left in their wells - the price will skyrocket, and that will not be a good time to try to ramp up and alternative.

Thanks for your information, as we come to this site there is always A wealth of misinformation and personal opinions than facts.
A good documentary on EV “Who Killed the Electric Car” available on YouTube, Amazon and Google Video.

Are you saying my information was misinformation? If so, you point out what so I can find out why I am misinformed.

There are a lot of people that have shorted Tesla over the years, many of those spent a significant amount of money spreading false information in an attempt to drive the share price down. That is why my post contained information from Tesla owners, from Tesla Warranty, and from numerous sites with information about TCO for ICE vehicles.

If you are claiming I am wrong, drive by posts don't lead to credibility, If you are agreeing with me, I apologize for over reacting.

I thanked you for the information.
Could have phrased it better not attacking you.

My bad, thank you. I am a bit thin skinned. I really need to work on that. I appreciate your civil reply.

Bloomberg News 4-14-2022
Wind turbines in the U.S. produced more electricity than coal or nuclear plants on March 29 for the first time on record, the U.S. Energy Information Administration said Thursday. That made wind the second-biggest source of electricity that day, behind only natural gas and narrowly ahead of nuclear.

Shhh... now you have done it.

Here come the "birds killed" comments.

Ignoring domestic cats kill over 2.4 billion birds a year and wind turbines kill around 250,000. But, you know Wind turbines are evil!

Since post started out with fuel additive going from E10 to E15. Then morphed to E85 going to EV technology, batteries, thought I’d bring up Wind Turbines. My lanai sliders take out maybe 15 to 20 birds a year!