Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
#16
|
||
|
||
Quote:
We do have some control over the conditions of the executive courses, in that we have representatives who should be looking out for our interests, and calling to task the shortcomings of whoever is in charge. As far as water usage, I have heard that, but it doesn't explain why Southern Oaks is way better than Havana. What does explain that fact is that the Developer has a greater interest in keeping S.O. nice, since that is the closest course to the new developments where his financial interests are. His money, he can spend it where he wants, and we have no say in that. But don't swallow the argument that it is a geographical issue. |
|
#17
|
||
|
||
Which square?
__________________
The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it. George Orwell. “Only truth and transparency can guarantee freedom”, John McCain |
#18
|
||
|
||
Quote:
|
#19
|
||
|
||
Quote:
|
#20
|
||
|
||
Quote:
1)I was under the impression (impression, not knowledge) that Belle Glade was also managed directly by the developer, without it being contracted out. Are you positive that Southern Oaks is the only one directly managed at this point? 2)The point about 'water' use is an interesting one-but in the case of all of the closed or 'about' to be closed courses-the issue is TOO much moisture-not too little. Fungus forms with moist conditions, not dry. 3)Glenview and Palmer are both in Sumter County, so it's not about the 'county'-but there is a dividing line in TV where reclaimed water begins to come in play. Not sure exactly where that is exactly. Your point remains an interesting point of contrast though. |
#21
|
||
|
||
Sheldon sign would have made post clear, sadly we don’t have one.
__________________
Do not worry about things you can not change |
#22
|
||
|
||
Draw
Quote:
|
#23
|
||
|
||
Sign
Quote:
|
#24
|
||
|
||
Quote:
You're 100% correct about the water usage. I meant it as a general statement, that there are regulatory differences in the volume of water that can be used on the golf courses in TV. This winter wasn't particular dry or wet. It was close to normal and I never bought into the story that "lack of rain" contributed to poor course conditions. Palmer is near the county line, I suspect? I have been told by a couple of reasonably credible sources, that it operates under a different Water Withdrawal Permit, than GV, OBG & LL. I thought the difference in the permits, was related to geographical considerations, but it's possible it's related to the timing of when the permit was received, and/or other considerations. I have never seen the permits and admittedly, I don't have any experience with Florida Water Withdrawal Permits. I do manage 2 Water Withdrawal Permits in MA and have managed a few others in the past, so I have some general familiarity with how it works, but it's not Florida experience. Generally, Water Withdrawal Permits have a daily and yearly maximum that can be withdrawn and it doesn't usually matter, who's water it is (rainfall, impounded or aquifer). To put this into a little perspective (again, unrelated to Florida), a club I ran (36 Private holes, 9 holes public), we had a Water Withdrawal Permit for 72,000,000 gallons per year (our daily limit was strictly related to well pumping capacity). We could safely go about 20% over our yearly volume limit, without penalty, but would have to "make it up" the next year. We pumped 130,000,000 gallons one year. We were fined $100,000 and forced to remove about 40 acres from "managed turf" (convert 40 acres to fescue). FYI: The Villages is in an unusual situation because of its size. The Villages cannot, under most any circumstances, move water from one county to another. In other words, every drop of water that falls (or is generated) in a county, must remain in that county. Complicates things near the county borders. You're mostly correct, in that fungus relies on wet conditions to thrive. That said, it's not always a general over-abundance of water, it's a over-abundance of water, over a specific time frame. I could tell you stories of poorly controlled irrigation systems at golf courses, that were "left running" when the Super went home for lunch and thunder storms hit and saturated a golf course. "Water" at a golf course, requires hour to hour management ... not day to day or week to week. Last edited by BrianL99; 03-10-2024 at 06:11 AM. |
#25
|
||
|
||
I don't understand the distinction being made between "contracted out" and "managed directly by the developer".
Ultimately, unless I'm missing something, it's all contracted out. In what way is it different? |
#26
|
||
|
||
Quote:
Contracted out, means a bid was received and the maintenance was out-sourced to another company. To my knowledge, there are 3 different companies that bid and perform this type of work. Managed/maintained by the owner (Developer) means direct employees of the owner perform the work, under the supervision of the owner's management team. In my opinion, the problem with sub-contracting the work, is the terms/parameters for a contract, generally aren't "performance based", but are "task based". In other words, you (the contractor) get paid 'x dollars' for watering, mowing, fertilizing, aerating, etc., a given number of times, as opposed to contract that says: "we'll give you 'X number of dollars'. You have to do whatever it takes to provide good conditions ... you figure it out, just make it work". |
#27
|
||
|
||
Quote:
thant's nice,but that is far from hw poperty assessments work. The golf courses have absooutly NOTHING to do with them
__________________
Never give up, Never surrender.... just take your prisoners with you |
#28
|
||
|
||
Quote:
Being more attractive to buy raises the prices folks are willing to pay to buy a home in the area. This raises market value. Property assessments follow market value. Perhaps I am not understanding your comment. |
#29
|
||
|
||
Quote:
"Assessments" have everything to do with amenities. In the case of golf in The Villages, "Executive courses" are an amenity, Championship courses are a "convenience", which adds similar advantages/value. What you said, is tantamount to saying "your home isn't worth more money, just because it's located 20 steps from the Atlantic ocean". Hardly accurate. By law, in most every state in the United States, "real estate assessments" are based on one and only one thing. "What a willing seller will pay a willing buyer". It's the law in FL and most everywhere else. "Amenities" are part of what determines value or in simpler terms, amenities are a significant factor in "what a willing buyer will pay a willing seller". Amenities are no different than an extra bedroom or extra bathroom. A value (assessment or selling price) is driven by the specific attributes of a home. You need look no further than houses around, but not in, The Villages. You could transplant a $400,000 home in The Villages, to Lady Lake proper and the house would now be worth (assessed) at $300,000. Why the difference? Amenities. Last edited by BrianL99; 03-10-2024 at 09:17 AM. |
#30
|
||
|
||
Deep Subject
As folks make the turn to their back nine of life their needs change. First and foremost is the need for safety. The bubble provides that very well. Being around folks your own age and away from hustle and bustle is less stressful, bonus.
Having florida weather is also a bonus. Those items alone will keep values up. Home values held even during the economy collapse. Only supply and demand factors will determine value changes. Expectation levels are never good. You are here in the winter and expect summer greens. You need to adjust that. If golf is a major factor than you need to go to a private club community with 1 impeccable golf course. Sorry to say that may put you out of your financial comfort zone. And even then you will get bored of that course and want to play others. The Villages IS a golfers dream. Where can you play 53 golf courses in 53 days with little travel and never repeat one. And more to come....Never mind all the other rec facilities and social clubs. Its also a retirement dream. The activities are endless. That being said, everybody's (golfers) concerns all lead back to the same thing, the greens. The bunkers are fine, usually don't come into play. The fairways are fine with preferred lies, the rough is not rough, all very friendly stuff. The complaints are always about the greens. If all the greens went bad, then yes, that may cause a golfer to second think a decision to move here. However, the above mentioned bonus items would bear more weight. The issue in TV is not the deteriorating conditions of the golf courses, its the inconsistency of the green conditions. Solve that inconsistency and we all benefit. And yes better greens will help keep values up. (just from less trash talk) Again, supply and demand will do more to prices. There are a lot of non golfers here. After reading about all the female dogging about the golf courses, the real bottom line is the greens. Solve that issue and life is wonderful again. In the old days they didn't call them greenskeepers for nothing. All TV needs is to pay more attention to the greens, a lot more with trained eyes who adjust programs for changing conditions. That is the simplest and least costly alternative. More qualified people watching the greens daily. Quote:
Last edited by Rich Iwaszko; 03-10-2024 at 10:27 AM. Reason: add |
Reply |
|
|