[rdhdleo]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Let me get this straight some folks here believe the raison deter for organizing the POA was solely because they desired to spew negativity and hatred toward the Developer...that's your position. You cite as evidence negative stories such as golf Cart accident stats, continuation of the facts surrounding the amenity lawsuit, et al.

Those of you who do might take time to go back on the history of why the POA was organized and follow through to present day rather than take comfort in your confirmation bias because the POA saved your bacon more than once. The POA attempted several times to work with both the Developer and the VHA and their attempts were directed out of hand. Why because the Developer knew they would work to keep him to satisify the promises he made and to honor his responsibilities.

In essence the POA was an invention made out of necessity

If you believe that the aforementioned headlines cited by the OP are negative for the sake of negativity then those with that thought ought not to read a single newspaper, watch a single TV news program or listen to a single radio news broadcast because if golf Cart Accident statistics get your goat what is happening to you with some of the political and economic headlines for the last 10 years. Are those stories negatively created by their writers for the sake of negativity?

I find it incredulous that people have this perception of the POA and feel badly for those in leadership at the POA who have worked so hard on residents behalf only to be besmirched, ridiculed and unfairly judged.

I have been in disagreement with some issues handled by the POA but at least they cared enough to attempt a resolution

Well said, could not agree more!!!

[LndLocked]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I can't see why anyone would try to put down Gary Morse.

I can see why anyone would think that any human was omnipotent and beyond error.

[ROCKETMAN]

Some people do beleive that morse can't do anything wrong Most things he does are good for all the residents but this place is large and complex and some decisions made boggle the mind.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I can't see why anyone would try to put down Gary Morse.

I don't like that man, I must get to know him better. Abraham Lincoln

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by LndLocked

I can see why anyone would think that any human was omnipotent and beyond error.

I don't. But I also have a real problem with an entire group of people who think that being successful and becoming rich automatically makes you a bad person. This is the first time in my life that I have run into that attitude and I think it is just as wrong as thinking that all poor people are lazy.


I don't know Gary Morse at all but he is a couple of years older than me and by damn the man is a genius and he could have made a heck of a lot more money off of us if he was as suspect as some think he is.


I see a lot more evidence that he is an American success story and he certainly has built a place on this earth like no one has ever seen before.


Count your money, Gary, You deserve every last penny.


I am really. really, really angry.

[HMLRHT1]

GracieGirl, ur usually right about a lot of things but I don't think anyone is going after Gary Morse on a personal level. He has done a lot of good things. But just as Ford or HP as an example, make a faulty product, they get blamed for it. It's human nature. Now Ford and HP have to make good on their promises and so should Gary Morse as the developer.

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by Cedwards38

.... As for the golf cart accidents, clearly they are trying to encourage all of us to install and use seat belts in order to save lives. I agree with that.

Originally Posted by Golf View

Those few who want seat belts on their golf carts can get them, no problem.

Don't try to force them on the rest of us.

Huh? How could "encourage all of us to install and use seats belts" possibly be construed to mean "force them on the rest of us"? Seems like an extreme leap to me.

I once saw a woman driving a golf cart with one hand and carrying an infant against her chest with the other. Well, there's nothing to stop her from doing so, right?...

Originally Posted by Happinow

It seems that I read a lot on here that it would be beneficial for cart and Car accidents to be reported, robberies be reported, burglaries be reported, mugging be reported and any crime be reported. We want to know what's going on with those faulty roofs and other news worthy stories. Now that the POA has reported some such incidents everyone is ticked off. You complained about the "Happy Paper" not reporting anything negative and now that negative information is reported you are mad. I think there are some people that can't be pleased. You don't have to candy coat negative news. It seems that some want that to happen. Bad news is bad news. You either want to read about it or you don't. I appreciate the up front tone of this last POA. It told it like it is....like it or not.

And I for one agree, so it is not true that "everyone is ticked off"; many of us appreciate not just the positive but the negative as well about the community we live in. I especially agree with the bolded/underscored statement in the quote above (my emphasis). And I am not a present or past officer of the POA; in fact, I'm not even a member.

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by ROCKETMAN

So just because you are successful and rich, that means no one is allowed to call him on some questionable decisions he has made. Maybe people under him made some of the choices, but like obama always says, the buck stops with me or was that hillary.

Actually it was Harry S Truman who said, "The buck stops here!" His meaning was that as president, the ultimate responsibility was his. How's that for refreshing?...

[twinklesweep]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

....I also have a real problem with an entire group of people who think that being successful and becoming rich automatically makes you a bad person....

I must have missed something (bolded/underscored emphasis above mine): "entire group of people"? "automatically"?

[villagerjack]

I am the last one to attack the Morse family because they built a place unlike any other. It is a great success story. I love The Villages. That said, errors will be made, The most recent involves defective roofs. The builder contracted with Owens Corning for roofing material on tens of thousands of homes. A good portion have defective material ranging from granular loss from 2007 on, and blistering prior to 2007. These are not isolated cases. There are thousands of defective roofs. As you ride around you can see many roofing jobs in progress. Here is my beef. The Warranty Dept and the VHA knew about all these problems but failed to notify homeowners. When it surfaced, they took care of some homeowners but not all homeowners who were affected. Now they are pursuing " isolated cases" of roofs with granular loss. Those with blistering problems are not being pursued. My roof has the blistering problem acknowledged by Owens Corning who offered to give me new roofing material but will not pay labor to remove the defective roof or install a new one. VHA and Gottschalk basically said to suck wind. They will not pursue this matter for me even though it is recognized that they sold me a home with a defective roof. They are only pursuing certain roofs with granular loss and only when the homeowner contacts them. My only recourse is to obtain a lawyer which would be costly or go to the POA who is aggressively pursuing this injustice and in the end another Class Action suit may be necessary. The POA hopes that the builder will do the right thing and cover the cost of the new roofs. I do not consider this to be a personal attack on the Morse Family but if some others do then , so be it. Citing these instances and attacking the POA is just as wrong as attacking Mr. Morse. Because of the way this has been mishandled by the Warranty Dept and the VHA, I am probably madder than Gracie, but at least she does not have a defective roof, at least I think she doesn't.

[OBXNana]

Originally Posted by bogie shooter

property owners, association of florida

thanks!

[LndLocked]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't. But I also have a real problem with an entire group of people who think that being successful and becoming rich automatically makes you a bad person. This is the first time in my life that I have run into that attitude and I think it is just as wrong as thinking that all poor people are lazy.


I don't know Gary Morse at all but he is a couple of years older than me and by damn the man is a genius and he could have made a heck of a lot more money off of us if he was as suspect as some think he is.


I see a lot more evidence that he is an American success story and he certainly has built a place on this earth like no one has ever seen before.


Count your money, Gary, You deserve every last penny.


I am really. really, really angry.

First ... my posting should have read ... "I can't see why anyone would think that any human was omnipotent and beyond error."

Not sure if that would have made any difference in your response but I suspect not.

I reread each and every posting in this thread and fail to see anything posted by any one (including myself) that even begins to approach "an entire group of people who think that being successful and becoming rich automatically makes you a bad person."

While you and I disagree on the level of Gary Morse's "genius" ( I don't think that he reinvented the developer wheel, but he did do a brilliant job of identifying a market / demographic who could afford his product both in boom & bust market conditions), I do not begrudge him his success.

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by villagerjack

I am the last one to attack the Morse family because they built a place unlike any other. It is a great success story. I love The Villages. That said, errors will be made, The most recent involves defective roofs. The builder contracted with Owens Corning for roofing material on tens of thousands of homes. A good portion have defective material ranging from granular loss from 2007 on, and blistering prior to 2007. These are not isolated cases. There are thousands of defective roofs. As you ride around you can see many roofing jobs in progress. Here is my beef. The Warranty Dept and the VHA knew about all these problems but failed to notify homeowners. When it surfaced, they took care of some homeowners but not all homeowners who were affected. Now they are pursuing " isolated cases" of roofs with granular loss. Those with blistering problems are not being pursued. My roof has the blistering problem acknowledged by Owens Corning who offered to give me new roofing material but will not pay labor to remove the defective roof or install a new one. VHA and Gottschalk basically said to suck wind. They will not pursue this matter for me even though it is recognized that they sold me a home with a defective roof. They are only pursuing certain roofs with granular loss and only when the homeowner contacts them. My only recourse is to obtain a lawyer which would be costly or go to the POA who is aggressively pursuing this injustice and in the end another Class Action suit may be necessary. The POA hopes that the builder will do the right thing and cover the cost of the new roofs. I do not consider this to be a personal attack on the Morse Family but if some others do then , so be it. Citing these instances and attacking the POA is just as wrong as attacking Mr. Morse. Because of the way this has been mishandled by the Warranty Dept and the VHA, I am probably madder than Gracie, but at least she does not have a defective roof, at least I think she doesn't.

While pursuing a class action suit seems like what is needed, it would drag on for years and years, with lawyers on both sides getting paid, while you sit with a roof full of bad shingles and ceiling leakage waiting to happen.

I would immediately file a small claims court action, with no need for an attorney on your part. Heads roll when the defendant companies have to send in their lawyers that quickly cost more money than the actual claim (roofing labor costs) is worth.

Here's Sumter County's web page on that:
Small Claims - Sumter County Clerk of the Courts

[eweissenbach]

How did this become about Gary Morse? The Villages is designed, developed, built and managed by a complex array of corporations owned, controlled, or influenced by the Morse family. The day to day decisions are made by Gary Morse's children and other officers of the various corporations. While I am sure that GM has veto power, he is not like the Wizard of Oz, controlling all that happens in TV. That said like most corporations, they make decisions designed to further the aims of the company and make profits, which may or may not be in the best interest of all residents. That is where the POA comes in, to be the watchdog for the benefit of the residents. Why anyone not connected with the Morse corporations would want to see the POA go away, or be quiet, is beyond me. If some of their rhetoric is harsh so be it, go to the meetings and register your displeasure, but keep in mind they are your ombudsmen. While the Scwartz/Morse clan has created a retirement Mecca like no other, they have not done it out of altruism, and have and will continue to make mistakes.

[rdhdleo]

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

How did this become about Gary Morse? The Villages is designed, developed, built and managed by a complex array of corporations owned, controlled, or influenced by the Morse family. The day to day decisions are made by Gary Morse's children and other officers of the various corporations. While I am sure that GM has veto power, he is not like the Wizard of Oz, controlling all that happens in TV. That said like most corporations, they make decisions designed to further the aims of the company and make profits, which may or may not be in the best interest of all residents. That is where the POA comes in, to be the watchdog for the benefit of the residents. Why anyone not connected with the Morse corporations would want to see the POA go away, or be quiet, is beyond me. If some of their rhetoric is harsh so be it, go to the meetings and register your displeasure, but keep in mind they are your ombudsmen. While the Scwartz/Morse clan has created a retirement Mecca like no other, they have not done it out of altruism, and have and will continue to make mistakes.

Excellent!!! Very well said.