[MikeVillages]

Originally Posted by daniel200

This new generation of digital TV signals allows the broadcasters to easily spy on you and collect data:

These are over the air digital TV signals that allows the transmitter to know who is receiving each signal. They will be spying on you and sending targeted ads.

There is no way a home tv antenna is capable of transmitting back to a broadcaster over 60 miles away.

The misunderstanding may be because televisions that support ATSC 3.0 also have internet connections. Everyone reading this has the internet.

The Internet is NOT a FCC requirement for 3.0. Some newer DVRs supporrting 3.0 do not require the internet. I can post links to review of these DVRs if anyone likes.

[MikeVillages]

Interesting video about the downfall of streaming.
https://youtu.be/fq_XeZyp1QY?si=Yya1Ap3g1shgixRK

[daniel200]

Originally Posted by MikeVillages

There is no way a home tv antenna is capable of transmitting back to a broadcaster over 60 miles away.

The misunderstanding may be because televisions that support ATSC 3.0 also have internet connections. Everyone reading this has the internet.

The Internet is NOT a FCC requirement for 3.0. Some newer DVRs supporrting 3.0 do not require the internet. I can post links to review of these DVRs if anyone likes.

I agree. Your antennae is not transmitting back. ATSC 3.0 allows stations to digitally encrypt their signal. For these encrypted stations, you MUST have an internet connection in order to decrypt the station. It is via this internet connection that they are collecting data.

[Maker]

FCC rule about TV antennas.


Installing Consumer-Owned Antennas and Satellite Dishes

FCC rules for over-the-air reception devices (OTARD) protect the rights of property owners or tenants to install, maintain or use an antenna to receive video programming from direct broadcast satellites, broadband radio services, and television broadcast stations in areas within the owner’s or tenant’s exclusive use.

The OTARD rule also applies to certain customer antennas that receive and transmit fixed wireless signals.

There are exceptions to the OTARD rule, including provisions for safety and preservation of historic areas.

What types of antennas are covered under the OTARD rule?

The following antennas or dishes are covered by the rule:

A dish antenna one meter or less in diameter (or any size dish if located in Alaska) that is designed to receive direct broadcast satellite service, including direct-to-home satellite service, or to receive or transmit fixed wireless signals via satellite, including a hub or relay antenna used to receive or transmit fixed wireless services that are not classified as telecommunications services.
An antenna that is one meter or less in diameter and is designed to receive video programming services via broadband radio service (wireless cable), or to receive or transmit fixed wireless signals other than via satellite, including a hub or relay antenna used to receive or transmit fixed wireless services that are not classified as telecommunications services.
An antenna that is designed to receive local television broadcast signals.

If a covered antenna is being used as a hub or relay antenna, it may receive or transmit fixed wireless signals for the distribution of fixed wireless services to multiple customer locations as long as the antenna serves a customer on whose premises it is located.

Antennas used for AM/FM radio, amateur ("ham") radio, CB radio, or digital audio radio services are not covered by the rule.

What types of properties are covered?

Under the OTARD rule, an owner or a tenant has the right to install an antenna on property that they own or over which they have exclusive use or control. This includes single family homes, condominiums, cooperatives, townhomes and manufactured homes.

In the case of condominiums, cooperatives and rental properties, the rule applies to "exclusive use" areas, such as terraces, balconies or patios. "Exclusive use" refers to an area of the property that only renters and their guests may enter and use. If the area is shared with others or accessible without the renter's permission, it is not considered to be an exclusive use area.

The OTARD rule does not apply to common areas that are owned by a landlord, a community association, or jointly by condominium owners. These common areas may include the roof or exterior walls of a multiple dwelling unit.

Under certain conditions, if a common antenna is available for use by residents, then the community association or landlord may prohibit the installation of individually-owned antennas or satellite dishes. However, the signal quality from the central antenna must be as good as the signal quality from an individually-owned antenna or dish, and the costs of using the central antenna must be no greater than the costs of an individually-owned antenna or dish.

What kinds of restrictions are prohibited?

Restrictions that prevent or delay installation, maintenance or use of antennas covered by the rule are prohibited. For example, in most cases, requirements to get approval before installing an antenna are prohibited.

What kinds of restrictions are permitted?

Restrictions necessary to prevent damage to leased property are permissible, as long as the restrictions are reasonable. For example, a lease restriction that forbids tenants from damaging the balcony floor when installing an antenna is likely to be permissible.

An association, landlord or local government may impose certain restrictions when safety is a concern or where a historic site is involved. An example of a permissible safety restriction would be requiring that an antenna is securely fastened down so that it will not be blown loose. Safety restrictions must be narrowly written so that they are no more burdensome than necessary to address a legitimate safety purpose.

If there is a conflict about a restriction's validity, the association, landlord or local government trying to enforce the restriction must prove it is valid. This means that no matter who questions the validity of the restriction, the person or entity trying to enforce the restriction must prove that the rule is legitimate.

Installation requirements for fixed wireless antennas that receive and transmit

The FCC requires fixed wireless antennas capable of receiving and transmitting voice and data services to meet certain guidelines regarding radiation exposure limits and environmental standards. Because of these guidelines, requirements that fixed wireless antennas be professionally installed are permissible.

Filing a petition about an antenna restriction

If you believe an antenna restriction is invalid, first try to resolve it with the restricting person, association, landlord or local government. If you are unable to resolve it directly, you can file a Petition for Declaratory Ruling with the FCC or a court of competent jurisdiction.

There is no particular form used for filing a petition with the FCC. Your petition, at a minimum, should include:

A description of the facts, including the restriction you're disputing.
Contact information for all parties involved in the dispute.
Copies of the exact language of the restriction.
Any relevant correspondence.

You must include a "proof of service" with your petition. A proof of service is a statement indicating that on the same day that you filed your petition with the FCC, you provided a copy of the petition and any attachments to the person or entity trying to enforce the antenna restriction. The proof of service should indicate the name and address of the parties served, the date they were served, and the method of service, such as regular mail, personal delivery service or certified mail.

Note: All allegations of fact included in petitions must be supported by an affidavit signed by one or more people who have actual knowledge of the facts.

A petition may be filed by a paper submission or electronically as stated below.

Paper submission: You must send an original and two copies of the petition and all attachments to:

Office of the Secretary
Federal Communications Commission
45 L Street NE
Washington, DC 20554

ATTENTION: Media Bureau – Policy Division (include on envelope and first page of petition)

Electronically: You must submit an original petition and all attachments to: OTARD@fcc.gov

You may continue to use your antenna while the petition is pending, unless the restriction you are challenging concerns safety or historic preservation.

Consumer Help Center

For additional information on the OTARD rule regarding antennas, please consult our website at http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-r...n-devices-rule.

[JRcorvette]

Can someone tell me the total cost of YouTube TV with all the taxes and fees? they say $74 month for programming but I can not see if that is the out the door price?

[MikeVillages]

Free INTERACTIVE news using an antenna. 5:30 in the video but you may find the whole video interesting.
https://youtu.be/PTs6awWTKJk?si=dXUGkaTnEBStrE5s

[PJOHNS2654]

Originally Posted by JRcorvette

Can someone tell me the total cost of YouTube TV with all the taxes and fees? they say $74 month for programming but I can not see if that is the out the door price?

I was paying $77.00 when I cancelled this morning.

[JGibson]

Originally Posted by PJOHNS2654

I was paying $77.00 when I cancelled this morning.

The State just added more taxes to streaming it's $82 now.

Hulu Live is $87 but comes with Disney/Hulu and ESPN+ bundle. It also has A&E.

If I can’t DVR it I don't want it, the inundation of commercials these days is ridiculous.

[Battlebasset]

I live in the Fenny area. I installed a large 8 foot directional UHF antenna (yagi) in my garage attic and added a Wingard booster at the point that the coax cable comes out of the attic and into the garage, then fed the coax that runs to my TV. When I scan I consistently get 60+ channels but between duplicates and things you don't want to watch, about 30 useful channels. Did it myself and spent about $120, all from Amazon.

I tried the Tablo streaming box. Really liked the interface, but could not get it to work with the Roku app. It would play for awhile, then dump out. They recommend you connect directly to an ethernet cable but even when I tried that, it would still dump out after a few minutes. I finally gave up and sent it back. Read the reviews on Amazon, they all say the same thing.

I was able to find this on Amazon - Mediasonic HomeWorx ATSC Digital Converter Box with TV Tuner, TV Recording, USB Multimedia function (HW-150PVR-Y22). You connect it to your antenna, to your TV via HDMI cable, and you can then record OTA TV for later watching. You will need to use a fast USB stick to record, no larger than 128 gig.

It works fairly well, but be warned, the remote and interface is really clunky. 1990's clunky. But once you buy it for $30, that's it. No monthly fees, no connection to the internet. And you can pop out the USB, plug into your laptop, and watch what you recorded there at home or on the go.

[dhdallas]

Originally Posted by MikeVillages

UPDATE
The list of over 70 reliable, FREE Olando and nearby television channels I receive in TV are now available in post #26.
Free INTERACTIVE news using an antenna. Post #36.
END OF UPDATE

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Current List of free NextGen ATSC 3.0 television stations I watch in my TV home without cable or streaming. You can search my posts of over 70 stations I also get with an older but not yet shutdown standard.

Any questions?

PS
Some in TV are able to use attic antennas. I required an outdoor antenna. Federal law forbids the ARB from forbidding or even requiring prior approval of outdoor television antennas.

I can't believe that there are people who can easily afford to live in TV but are such cheapskates they would use an antenna for broadcast TV & put up with commercials. And only being able to watch shows they may like at certain times, no pausing to come back and finish it later (or taking it with you on your phone) like you can with streaming video. Not to mention, the really good shows and movies are streaming and not on broadcast TV. Wow...how prehistoric!

[Battlebasset]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

I can't believe that there are people who can easily afford to live in TV but are such cheapskates they would use an antenna for broadcast TV & put up with commercials. And only being able to watch shows they may like at certain times, no pausing to come back and finish it later (or taking it with you on your phone) like you can with streaming video. Not to mention, the really good shows and movies are streaming and not on broadcast TV. Wow...how prehistoric!

Foolish comment. I use both OTA and a number of streaming services to customize what I want to watch. Why do I not get a cable/satellite/YouTube TV set up? Because there is very little I want to watch on what those $70+ per month platforms offer, much less DVR. For the $120 I spent once I get all of the networks, plus a number of substations, and even some movie channels. If I don't watch anything on them for a week, I'm not thinking that I'm wasting my money. Honestly, the only thing I watch on them with any consistency is live sports.

Sure, I can afford to pay for it. But I didn't come to TV to watch TV. Would rather take that $70 per month and go out to dinner or an event, or put it towards a new golf club or pickleball racquet. Not watching some dumb reality show or the latest episode of "The Masked Singer", or heaven forbid "The View".

This philosophy in other parts of my life allowed me to retire early and move down here, with alot of healthy life left. I can watch TV in 20 years if I want. It's not going anywhere.

And if I die unexpectedly younger, I guarantee I will not be on my deathbed saying "Oh, if I had only watched more TV!"