[Mleeja]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

It won't be long, before TV doesn't allow any new gas carts ... then we just have to wait for the legacy carts to die off.

Based on sales figures, there aren't many new gas carts getting sold, these days.

On the other hand, the automobile world is changing fast ... away from EV's.

Where are you getting your information about golf cart sales? It seems Yamaha Quite Tech is still the top selling model.

[mtdjed]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

From USA Today:

Gas-powered leaf blowers have been around since the early 1970s, but over time, the lawn care device has received criticism from angry neighbors and eco-conscious lawmakers, some of whom have issued bans citing pollution, noise and health risk concerns.

From the state of California to the District of Columbia, bans against the sale of gas-powered leaf blowers continue to pile up. In Washington, D.C., under the Leaf Blower Regulation Amendment Act of 2018, companies or individuals who use gasoline-powered leaf blowers are subject to fines of up to $500 for each offense.

In California, lawmakers passed AB1346, which banned the sale of gas-powered leaf blowers and weed whackers by July 1, 2024.

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I'm not necessarily a "Green" person, but. Known fact that 2-cycle gas engines are sources of CO2 and pollutants.

I am a bit biased here, as we have an EV and a lithium batt golf cart. Love them both.

Irritating when following gas golf carts and especially thru tunnels. When we play golf with folks we try to lead the GC pack on the course paths. A few of our friends have newer gas carts and the fumes are... not good.

I'm TOTALLY certain that these comments will fall on deaf ears and eyes. Of course, and no one will then sell their gas cart. Freedom in the USA is great.

EVs and Lithium batt golf carts have come such a long way the last few years. And for many reasons we chose to go with both. (BTW 90miles range on our Cart, 341 on our EV). NO maintenance and they leave our garage with a tank full of electrons. Oh, forgot we have a lithium batt powered lawn mower and accessories.

Obviously, you have "bought" into the electricity can solve all of our problems and I have to admit that your efforts are admirable. You start with electric blowers. I have also gone the route of electric blowers. No big deal for you or I with our dainty lawns. If an EV works for you, great. Same with the Golf Cart.

But that doesn't work for everything. Jet engines have fans. Electricity is not ready for that. Even a simple snow blower is not ready. Are emergency vehicles ready for electric only? Ambulances, Firetrucks, police cars? Are apartment occupants able to have EVs?

But back to gas blowers. We have landscape folks making a living mowing lawns all day long. They mow, edge, and blow all day long. Is there equipment available that can do that without carrying huge amounts of batteries? Perhaps they could recharge batteries from a gas powered generator on the truck.

Do what you can, but EV's are not yet ready for everyone, Cost, infrastructure, and usefulness.

Your discussion regarding driving behind Gas Carts and arranging your order so you are in front is cute. That must be a discussion item amongst your golfing group


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[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Mleeja

Where are you getting your information about golf cart sales? It seems Yamaha Quite Tech is still the top selling model.

The Toyota RAV$ is the top selling automobile model in the USA. They represent 3% of the USA vehicle market.

1 out of every 10 golf carts sold in the USA, is powered by gasoline. Being the "best selling gas model", gets you to about 3%-4% of the market.

[Cuervo]

All my lawn equipment is electric; I don't do it to save the earth or because of the noise or that it is less expensive than gas.
I do it because it more convenient, no trips to the gas station, no smell of fuels in my garage.
Though it is less expensive for home use I not sure it would be for professional services that are out in the field all day using their equipment.

[metalic]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

CO2 is 0.04% (that’s .0004) of the earth’s atmosphere. Up slightly from 0.03%. If it gets to 0.02%, plant life is not sustainable.

If you think a weedwacker or a blower in the Villages is going to impact the atmosphere one way or the other, especially vis a vis the amount of co2 being added tot he atmosphere by China and India, I have a bridge to sell you.

1) an increase of one third from 0.03% to 0.04% is not "up slightly";

2) the level was below 0.02% 20,000 years ago and there were plenty of plants around then;

3) of course eliminating one weedwacker of blower won't make much difference, any more than my dropping one piece of trash will make TV look messy, but if we all did it...

4) always blaming the Far East for something that the West started decades ago is disingenuous

[Mrmean58]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Most lawn equipment made nowadays are 4 stroke or electric. Which electric taking over. The problem IMO most lawn equipment used by landscapers have remove baffles in mufflers of leaf blowers making them twice as loud. The fine mash screens get carbon up and won’t let exhaust air out not letting blower to rev up, so they just remove baffles rather than scrape carbon off. It will take another 10 years or more when they ban gas lawn engine equipment cause take that long to wear them out. Electric blowers are not much quieter cause moving lots of air under pressure makes noise.

It is the spark arrestors that are being removed to increase the performance of gas carts and lawn equipment. Spark arrestors are only required for equipment sold in CA to help reduce wildfires. (That's working out well). Lithium powers is not the long term solution for electric powered cars and equipment. Dry cell batteries will be the long term solution as they have numerous advantages over lithium namely longer range, faster recharge, lighter weight, reduced precious metals, AND no fire danger.

[elle123]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

From USA Today:

Gas-powered leaf blowers have been around since the early 1970s, but over time, the lawn care device has received criticism from angry neighbors and eco-conscious lawmakers, some of whom have issued bans citing pollution, noise and health risk concerns.

From the state of California to the District of Columbia, bans against the sale of gas-powered leaf blowers continue to pile up. In Washington, D.C., under the Leaf Blower Regulation Amendment Act of 2018, companies or individuals who use gasoline-powered leaf blowers are subject to fines of up to $500 for each offense.

In California, lawmakers passed AB1346, which banned the sale of gas-powered leaf blowers and weed whackers by July 1, 2024.

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I'm not necessarily a "Green" person, but. Known fact that 2-cycle gas engines are sources of CO2 and pollutants.

I am a bit biased here, as we have an EV and a lithium batt golf cart. Love them both.

Irritating when following gas golf carts and especially thru tunnels. When we play golf with folks we try to lead the GC pack on the course paths. A few of our friends have newer gas carts and the fumes are... not good.

I'm TOTALLY certain that these comments will fall on deaf ears and eyes. Of course, and no one will then sell their gas cart. Freedom in the USA is great.

EVs and Lithium batt golf carts have come such a long way the last few years. And for many reasons we chose to go with both. (BTW 90miles range on our Cart, 341 on our EV). NO maintenance and they leave our garage with a tank full of electrons. Oh, forgot we have a lithium batt powered lawn mower and accessories.

I have a battery operated leafblower that's very light and works well. However, I'm not blowing leaves for a living.

[Bay Kid]

My battery leaf blowers don't last too long. I always keep 2 charged so they will last long enough to clean the driveway. I get 2 to 3 years before they are useless. Still use my old gas blower for anything more than a leaf on a slick surface.

[MX rider]

Originally Posted by elle123

I have a battery operated leafblower that's very light and works well. However, I'm not blowing leaves for a living.

I had Dewalt e leaf blower for a while. It was ok for light work and small yards here with very few leaves.

But it didn't have near the power my Echo gas blower that I had in Indiana. It wouldn't be practical there to blow a lot of leaves.
Needless to say when we moved here full time, I sold the Dewalt and brought my Echo here.

I also had a Stihl e mower I bought new at Ace hardware, thinking it was the way to go. Stihl is top quality and the mower had great ratings. But it just didn't cut and bag as well as I expected it to.
So I sold it and bought a new Honda gas mower and haven't looked back.

[merrymini]

Fact is, there is no perfect solution and either alternative can work, depending on the situation. I would not want to be on an electric airplane but have no problem with electric lawn stuff, mower and I own an electric car. So, instead of reducing everything to one option, let’s leave the door open to all options and eventually a break through in technology will give us better options in the future and the capitalism model will choose the best alternatives. Laisser faire!

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by frayedends

I have a Dewalt battery blower down there in the Villages and it seems okay for the little bit I need for the driveway. But up here in Massachusetts I would be screwed if I couldn't use my Echo Gas unit. I have way too much property and patio, leaves, acorns, etc. The battery powered would essentially be useless.
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Originally Posted by mtdjed

Even a simple snow blower is not ready. Are emergency vehicles ready for electric only? Ambulances, Firetrucks, police cars? Are apartment occupants able to have EVs?

We have landscape folks making a living mowing lawns all day long. They mow, edge, and blow all day long. Is there equipment available that can do that without carrying huge amounts of batteries? Perhaps they could recharge batteries from a gas powered generator on the truck.

Do what you can, but EV's are not yet ready for everyone, Cost, infrastructure, and usefulness.


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Originally Posted by Cuervo

I not sure it would be for professional services that are out in the field all day using their equipment.

Originally Posted by elle123

I have a battery operated leafblower that's very light and works well. However, I'm not blowing leaves for a living.

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

My battery leaf blowers don't last too long. I always keep 2 charged so they will last long enough to clean the driveway. I get 2 to 3 years before they are useless. Still use my old gas blower for anything more than a leaf on a slick surface.

Originally Posted by MX rider

I had Dewalt e leaf blower for a while. It was ok for light work and small yards here with very few leaves.

But it didn't have near the power my Echo gas blower that I had in Indiana. It wouldn't be practical there to blow a lot of leaves.
Needless to say when we moved here full time, I sold the Dewalt and brought my Echo here.

I also had a Stihl e mower I bought new at Ace hardware, thinking it was the way to go. Stihl is top quality and the mower had great ratings. But it just didn't cut and bag as well as I expected it to.
So I sold it and bought a new Honda gas mower and haven't looked back.

Yet John Deere is selling electric triplex mowers to mow greens on golf courses, but electric power equipment can't handle a 3000 sq. ft. lawn in TV or blow your little driveway clean?

[kayak]

It's not just the gas blowers that are loud. I have an electric blower, no battery, I have to drag out the extension cord, and it is loud. I use hearing protectors when I use the blower. What will be banned next?

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

My battery leaf blowers don't last too long. I always keep 2 charged so they will last long enough to clean the driveway. I get 2 to 3 years before they are useless. Still use my old gas blower for anything more than a leaf on a slick surface.

A professional service would never be able to maintain enough charged batteries to do a days work. Even if they could, the amount of lithium waste they generated would be tremendously high.

[Tvflguy]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

Obviously, you have "bought" into the electricity can solve all of our problems and I have to admit that your efforts are admirable. You start with electric blowers. I have also gone the route of electric blowers. No big deal for you or I with our dainty lawns. If an EV works for you, great. Same with the Golf Cart.

But that doesn't work for everything. Jet engines have fans. Electricity is not ready for that. Even a simple snow blower is not ready. Are emergency vehicles ready for electric only? Ambulances, Firetrucks, police cars? Are apartment occupants able to have EVs?

But back to gas blowers. We have landscape folks making a living mowing lawns all day long. They mow, edge, and blow all day long. Is there equipment available that can do that without carrying huge amounts of batteries? Perhaps they could recharge batteries from a gas powered generator on the truck.

Do what you can, but EV's are not yet ready for everyone, Cost, infrastructure, and usefulness.

Your discussion regarding driving behind Gas Carts and arranging your order so you are in front is cute. That must be a discussion item amongst your golfing group


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I'm the OP. I said in my post that I am not really "GREEN". so why the personal diatribe??? I went with battery powered due to the efficiency, quiet, no fumes, and ease of use. period. My choice. And yes, we dislike driving behind many gas carts. The fumes, esp in tunnels is not good. I didn't BUY INTO anything. (OBVIOUSLY) yikes.
So yes, it's MY CHOICE including being first on the course cart path if I can.

My choice - free country as they say...

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

I'm the OP. I said in my post that I am not really "GREEN". so why the personal diatribe??? I went with battery powered due to the efficiency, quiet, no fumes, and ease of use. period. My choice. And yes, we dislike driving behind many gas carts. The fumes, esp in tunnels is not good. I didn't BUY INTO anything. (OBVIOUSLY) yikes.
So yes, it's MY CHOICE including being first on the course cart path if I can.

My choice - free country as they say...

So why are pushing your dribble on rest of us. It’s also free country for us too.