[Ben Franklin]

It's sad that so many Americans just have no clue, but they love to blame someone. First, Russia and Saudi Arabia were having an oil war, which drove down prices last year, plus COVID created less demand for oil/gas. The pipeline for Canada's dirty oil (Keystone pipeline) that was shut down in January was only 8% complete. We weren't getting oil from it. All oil prices are set by the global oil market. Supply and demand determines the actual price. Also, if the oil Oligarchs only use half of their working drills to pump oil, then prices go up. Less pumped=higher prices, more pumped=lower prices.

Do your grandkids a favor, and leave them a cleaner earth. Buy an Electric Car.

[tc1963]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

I can argue with anybody. Lots thing control oil prices. Reducing ability to transfer oil to refineries does impact oil delivery which intact prices, not mention all jobs lost. But, some not worried about jobs. And another thing when prices was at rock bottom low (less than 2 dollars gallon) it cost more to produce it, so naturally production would fall of and it had now where to go but up. Another thing when prices are high naturally their going drill more to turn profits.

Spell/grammar check please.

[tc1963]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Next time I see electric cart that can’t make it up hill I will go around it instead of pushing it up the hill with my gas nasty black smoke emitting golf cart spewing toxic unregulated fumes. The only black smoke emitting carts I seen was 1o year plus carburetor cart the was probably neglected And may I add 10 plus year old electric carts are mostly worthless.

Hey Topspinmo what is a "1o year plus carburetor cart "? If all gas carts are as efficient as yours than why are the tunnels so nasty? Do you breath the air thru the tunnel or do you hold your breath? To quote you "may I add 10 plus year old electric carts are mostly worthless." I have towed gas carts in the past with my electric! My 2010 Star does perfectly fine on hills (no push required) and has passed smog carts on the same so called hills (humps). Calibrated to a LEGAL 19.8 MPH. You are likely operating a cart that exceeds the LEGAL SPEED LIMIT of 19.8 mph for golf cart that is not street legal which requires tags! Must be the extra testosterone! UGGG!

If you are caught exceeding the 19.8 you are driving an unregistered vehicle.

If caught You would face huge fines, possible jail time, and points which would affect your insurance on any other motor vehicle you own! I would get great pleasure watching this unfold, laughing as I drive my electric cart past you at a LEGAL19.8 and wave while your cart is impounded and you have your thumb out hitching for a ride. So, who will you be passing than? Former 50

[davem4616]

Originally Posted by Blackbird45

When I was young and naive, I watch a 60 minute's interview with the CEO of Phillips 66.
The intro shoot was of this big building with a giant American flag blowing in the wind.
The topic was the shutting down of oil fields and the loss of jobs, because productions was being sent to foreign countries.
I don't remember much of the interview except for one question and answer.

When the CEO was asked didn't, he think he owed loyalty to this country, his answer was his loyalty was to the corporation.
As much as I found the answer distasteful, he was honest and he was correct.
His position was to increase the profits of the corporation.

There are always conflicting issues.
One person wants to save the planet, one person wants cheap prices another wants to create jobs in this country.
Is there an answer where we can have it all?
Beats me.

You hit the nail right on the head

where you sit is where you stand...and what motivates you to take, or not take action

of course there's a lot of folks that aren't able to understand how anyone could possibly have a different opinion than themselves

Originally Posted by biker1

I believe you have missed the point. The issue is not the use of fossil fuels. The point is that electric vehicles use much less energy than gas powered vehicles - much less even when you account for the additional energy needed to manufacture them when compared to gas cars. Burning gas in a car is very inefficient. You are better off burning fossil fuels to make electricity to power electric cars since the total energy use is much less. Aircraft and cargo ships will be probably continue to burn fossil fuels for the foreseeable future. For large aircraft, there is a significant energy density issue that won't be solved anytime soon. We will never totally eliminate the use of fossil fuels but we can dramatically reduce their usage. This has rather significant geopolitical implications.

Although electric electric motors are more efficient than internal combustion engines ( 80% vs 20%) the energy density of a pound of gasoline is 10 times the energy density of the best Tesla battery.

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by tc1963

Spell/grammar check please.

It’s a blog not an English class

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

And unfortunately, when gas and diesel prices go up, so does just about everything else.

Including the stock market. Do not like high gas prices, but it has been my experience that when gas prices are higher stock market indexes are higher. Was in Orlando, several hours ago(11/19) and paid $3.05 for regular.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by amexsbow

All electric cars, all electric trucks, how do you produce that much more electricity with the current electrical grid and generating capacity? Seems like a recipe for disaster. Meanwhile China and India are increasing coal fired electric generating capacity.

Was watching BBC News yesterday(11/18) and they have closed almost everything down in New Deli due to smog created by coal fired electric plants. Video clips showed what I would describe as horrendous smog.

Agree electric only is not the answer and US should have a reasonable approach/transition to more efficient/less polluting energy.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by tc1963

Calibrated to a LEGAL 19.8 MPH. You are likely operating a cart that exceeds the LEGAL SPEED LIMIT of 19.8 mph for golf cart that is not street legal which requires tags!
If you are caught exceeding the 19.8 you are driving an unregistered vehicle.

If caught You would face huge fines, possible jail time, and points which would affect your insurance on any other motor vehicle you own! I would get great pleasure watching this unfold, laughing as I drive my electric cart past you at a LEGAL19.8 and wave while your cart is impounded and you have your thumb out hitching for a ride. So, who will you be passing than? Former 50

Just for the record, Your "law quoting" regarding golf carts speeds is WRONG. Don't feel bad, you're not alone. Everyone likes to quote it in their own wrong way. There is no "legal speed limit" of 19.8, 19.9, 19.9999999999 mph! LOL, this is the ACTUAL LAW right from the State of Florida:

Low Speed and All-Terrain Vehicles - Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles

Golf carts are defined in section 320.01(22), Florida Statutes, as “a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.” Golf carts may be operated on roadways that are designated for ...


There is no 19.8 or 19.9 or 19.99999 speed limit. The law is based on the "NOT BEING ABLE TO EXCEED 20MPH." Even if you drive it at19.999999999 MPH all day long BUT your cart is CAPABLE OF EXCEEDING 20MPH it is still in violation. "CAPABLE" is the key word.

So feel free to increase your speed lock to 20MPH and also read the linked article!