[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Another poster seems to agree with my idea of MORE installed cameras. If you can't get enough uniformed Police in your community then make up for that LACK with MORE CAMERAS.

They already have cameras at every gate...

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Solution for those that can’t see the gate: Get an eye doctor appointment

I believe that there is NO WAY to improve the vision of people with macular degeneration, which is common in older populations. It can only be somewhat STABILIZED with eye vitamins. These people can and WILL continue to drive so it is up to the particular authorities to develop the MOST VISIBLE gates possible. Or go to a stop light INSTEAD of rising gates, which obviously have problems, which we are discussing solutions to.

[Maker]

Every suggestion to "fixing" the problem involves spending money. Lots of money.
Except one option - remove all the gates. Also clear out all the landscaping blocking line of sight. Saves a bundle of money now, and every year in the future.
These are public roads, so golf carts have to yield to all cars until the road is 100% clear. No matter if its 10 cars in a row - golf cart cannot enter the road and impede a car in any manner. Gates do not alter the law; and do not give golf carts the right to enter a road in front of a car at a gate. Carts required to wait.
These are public roads, so speed bumps are not allowed here. Making a profit from a gate arm strike is also not allowed (interesting that TV may be doing that now, and could be heading for a class action lawsuit)

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Maker

Every suggestion to "fixing" the problem involves spending money. Lots of money.
Except one option - remove all the gates. Also clear out all the landscaping blocking line of sight. Saves a bundle of money now, and every year in the future.
These are public roads, so golf carts have to yield to all cars until the road is 100% clear. No matter if its 10 cars in a row - golf cart cannot enter the road and impede a car in any manner. Gates do not alter the law; and do not give golf carts the right to enter a road in front of a car at a gate. Carts required to wait.
These are public roads, so speed bumps are not allowed here. Making a profit from a gate arm strike is also not allowed (interesting that TV may be doing that now, and could be heading for a class action lawsuit)

Any links to back up those last assertions?

And if you think tbings are dangerous now, just wait till you see what happens if they remove all of the gates...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I believe that there is NO WAY to improve the vision of people with macular degeneration, which is common in older populations. It can only be somewhat STABILIZED with eye vitamins. These people can and WILL continue to drive so it is up to the particular authorities to develop the MOST VISIBLE gates possible. Or go to a stop light INSTEAD of rising gates, which obviously have problems, which we are discussing solutions to.

Doesn't FL have a vision test for driver's license renewal?

Oh, that's right... They do...

From the Google Machine:

"Report of Eye Exam: For original licenses, and at the time of each renewal license, your eyesight will be tested by the driver license examiner designated by the department or by a licensed ophthalmologist, optometrist, or physician using FLHSMV Report of Eye Exam Form 72010."

Wouldn't that be the solution to stopping people who cannot see from driving?

[cjrjck]

I am not clear what purpose the exit gates serve. TV is not a gated community in the truest sense in that anyone can enter just about any gate I have been through, staffed or not. There may be a few exceptions. Therefore, why have exit gates, or perhaps simply leave them up unless special conditions call for them to be lowered. For instance if a security situation rises. If the concern is that an open exit gate will not slow down departing traffic, put small speedbumps there. I have worked at a number of locations with large numbers of entrance and exit gates (like huge seaports). When they can, the gates are left up to reduce the number of cycles and prolong the life of the mechanisms. Entrance gates are almost always left down but these are highly restricted areas.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

I am not clear what purpose the exit gates serve. .

It slows down traffic for golf cart crossings.

And before you jump.............for non-golf cart crossing exits, it trains old people to slow down at all gates. If all exits don't have gates, the old people will forget.

[Bogie Shooter]

[QUOTE=cjrjck;2208056]I am not clear what purpose the exit gates serve.
Five years on TOTV and you haven’t figured that out?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

I am not clear what purpose the exit gates serve. TV is not a gated community in the truest sense in that anyone can enter just about any gate I have been through, staffed or not. There may be a few exceptions. Therefore, why have exit gates, or perhaps simply leave them up unless special conditions call for them to be lowered. For instance if a security situation rises. If the concern is that an open exit gate will not slow down departing traffic, put small speedbumps there. I have worked at a number of locations with large numbers of entrance and exit gates (like huge seaports). When they can, the gates are left up to reduce the number of cycles and prolong the life of the mechanisms. Entrance gates are almost always left down but these are highly restricted areas.

You can't just put speed bumps on any public road you wish...

[Maker]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Any links to back up those last assertions?

And if you think tbings are dangerous now, just wait till you see what happens if they remove all of the gates...

Imagine the cart crossing area at a former gate location. Cars do not stop anymore. No bulky walls, mechanisms, or large landscaping to block the view of those oncoming cars from the golf cart driver's seat...
Golf cart driver knows the car is not stopping, so why they drive into the road knowing they will get hit?
10 cars will go past faster than one would if stopping for a gate arm. Traffic would clear faster and everything would move faster. And safer.

Understanding that concept requires an open mind. A willingness to challenge the "we always do it this way" attitude. Not always being negative. Look for ways to do things better, and do it.

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by RICH1

I’ve never hit a Gate Yet…

Same here. Eleven years and I've yet to kill a gate!

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Maker

Imagine the cart crossing area at a former gate location. Cars do not stop anymore. No bulky walls, mechanisms, or large landscaping to block the view of those oncoming cars from the golf cart driver's seat...
Golf cart driver knows the car is not stopping, so why they drive into the road knowing they will get hit?
10 cars will go past faster than one would if stopping for a gate arm. Traffic would clear faster and everything would move faster. And safer.

Understanding that concept requires an open mind. A willingness to challenge the "we always do it this way" attitude. Not always being negative. Look for ways to do things better, and do it.

Keyword: Faster

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Maker

Imagine the cart crossing area at a former gate location. Cars do not stop anymore. No bulky walls, mechanisms, or large landscaping to block the view of those oncoming cars from the golf cart driver's seat...
Golf cart driver knows the car is not stopping, so why they drive into the road knowing they will get hit?
10 cars will go past faster than one would if stopping for a gate arm. Traffic would clear faster and everything would move faster. And safer.

Understanding that concept requires an open mind. A willingness to challenge the "we always do it this way" attitude. Not always being negative. Look for ways to do things better, and do it.

Dream on...

[cjrjck]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You can't just put speed bumps on any public road you wish...

Huh? If you can put a gate arm there you can surely put a speed bump there. My point is that the exit gate arms serve no purpose in a community that really does not have controlled access. If you say it is to slow down traffic as it exits, then put a speed bump there instead. Then nobody will hit the gate arms.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

Huh? If you can put a gate arm there you can surely put a speed bump there. My point is that the exit gate arms serve no purpose in a community that really does not have controlled access. If you say it is to slow down traffic as it exits, then put a speed bump there instead. Then nobody will hit the gate arms.

Let's see (or not see as the case may be). If people claim they can't see a red and white gate arm at eye level, do you really think they will see a speed bump?????