[stanley]

Originally Posted by photo1902

The other location I was referring to where a cart can literally cross 441, at grade, is outside of the Villages, near Spruce Creek, more precisely.

OK....The wording was a little confusing

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by stanley

OK....The wording was a little confusing

Correct. My bad

[photo1902]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The posted speed for cars on 441 is 45, up by the Historic section.
The posted speed for cars IN the Historic Section is 25, except near Paradise Rec Center, where it goes down to 15.
I believe 466 speed limit is 40 or 45, though it's pretty hard to go that fast near the miles-long stretch of traffic lights.

Since you're not allowed to take a golf cart (street legal or otherwise) on any road with a speed limit higher than 30, you can't drive ON any of those roads in a golf cart (street legal or otherwise).

Apparently there is at least one spot where you're allowed to CROSS those roads, but generally you can't even do that - because in order to cross a road, you have to be ON it for at least a second or two while in the process of crossing it.

Please don’t put out incorrect info.

The crossing on 441 near Spruce Creek is absolutely legal to cross using street legal and “regular” golf carts.

And Street Legal carts can use roads with speed limits of 35mph or lower, such as Buena Vista and/or Morse.

[SIRE1]

Since you obviously don't know the area, nor do you know the rules for non-street legal golf carts (gas or electric), here is a summary for you (from North to South):

1. You cannot cross Hwy 42 at all. You can travel on the residential roads and Multi Modal Paths (MMP) that are south of 42, and you can get into the shopping area, VA, gas station, and Mulberry Rec Center from these routes.
2. You cannot drive on Buena Vista, not even to cross. There are MMP's along it entire length (42 to Brownwood) and a number of MMP tunnels to get from one side of Buena Vista to the other.
3. You cannot drive on El Camino, but you can cross it at the light at Enrique & Botello (the village of Alhambra). There is a MMP along the entire route and there are also a couple of MMP tunnels.
4. You cannot drive on Buenos Aires, not even to cross.
5. You can only drive on the MMP or in the marked bike/cart lane along Morse Blvd from El Camino to 466.
6. You cannot drive on 23/441, not even to cross. There is a cart bridge going over 23/441 near Spanish Springs to the Historic section.
7. You cannot drive out of the north end of the Historic section (village of Orange Blossom Gardens) to Lowes & Cracker Barrel without a gate card to get back into The Villages.
8. You cannot drive on Griffin Ave (near Home Depot), not even to cross.
9. You cannot drive on CR 101 (near Southern Trace Shopping Center), not even to cross. There is a MMP tunnel near the shipping center to get from one side to the other.
10. You cannot drive on CR 103 (near Walmart), not even to cross. There is a MMP tunnel at Wedgewood Ln to get from one side to the other.
11. You cannot drive on 466, not even to cross. There are 3 MMP tunnels under 466 (near Morse Blvd, near Buena Vista, and at Belvedere Blvd.)
12. You cannot drive on CR 472/Rainey Trail, except to cross into the village of Lake Miona Shores and Lynnhaven at Lynnhaven Ln.
13. You cannot drive on Morse Blvd or Buena Vista Blvd south of 466, not even to cross. There are MMP's along these roads and a number of MMP tunnels to get from one side to another.
14. You cannot drive on 466A, not even to cross. There are 2 MMP tunnels under 466 (near Morse Blvd and near Buena Vista Blvd).
15 You cannot drive on 44, not even to cross. There are 2 MMP bridges over 44 (near Brownwood and near Morse Blvd).
16. You cannot drive on Morse Blvd or Warm Springs Ave, not even to cross. There are/or will be MMP tunnels under Warm Springs Ave to get from one side to the other.
17. You cannot drive on the Turnpike, not even to cross. There are 2 MMP bridges planned to go over the turnpike.

Remember, these are the rules for non-street legal carts. A cart must have a Florida license plate in order to drive on Buena Vista & Morse Blvd, or cross the 3 main east/west roads (466, 466a & 44) at the lights.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by SIRE1

Since you obviously don't know the area, nor do you know the rules for non-street legal golf carts (gas or electric), here is a summary for you (from North to South):

1. You cannot cross Hwy 42 at all. You can travel on the residential roads and Multi Modal Paths (MMP) that are south of 42, and you can get into the shopping area, VA, gas station, and Mulberry Rec Center from these routes.
2. You cannot drive on Buena Vista, not even to cross. There are MMP's along it entire length (42 to Brownwood) and a number of MMP tunnels to get from one side of Buena Vista to the other.
3. You cannot drive on El Camino, but you can cross it at the light at Enrique & Botello (the village of Alhambra). There is a MMP along the entire route and there are also a couple of MMP tunnels.
4. You cannot drive on Buenos Aires, not even to cross.
5. You can only drive on the MMP or in the marked bike/cart lane along Morse Blvd from El Camino to 466.
6. You cannot drive on 23/441, not even to cross. There is a cart bridge going over 23/441 near Spanish Springs to the Historic section.
7. You cannot drive out of the north end of the Historic section (village of Orange Blossom Gardens) to Lowes & Cracker Barrel without a gate card to get back into The Villages.
8. You cannot drive on Griffin Ave (near Home Depot), not even to cross.
9. You cannot drive on CR 101 (near Southern Trace Shopping Center), not even to cross. There is a MMP tunnel near the shipping center to get from one side to the other.
10. You cannot drive on CR 103 (near Walmart), not even to cross. There is a MMP tunnel at Wedgewood Ln to get from one side to the other.
11. You cannot drive on 466, not even to cross. There are 3 MMP tunnels under 466 (near Morse Blvd, near Buena Vista, and at Belvedere Blvd.)
12. You cannot drive on CR 472/Rainey Trail, except to cross into the village of Lake Miona Shores and Lynnhaven at Lynnhaven Ln.
13. You cannot drive on Morse Blvd or Buena Vista Blvd south of 466, not even to cross. There are MMP's along these roads and a number of MMP tunnels to get from one side to another.
14. You cannot drive on 466A, not even to cross. There are 2 MMP tunnels under 466 (near Morse Blvd and near Buena Vista Blvd).
15 You cannot drive on 44, not even to cross. There are 2 MMP bridges over 44 (near Brownwood and near Morse Blvd).
16. You cannot drive on Morse Blvd or Warm Springs Ave, not even to cross. There are/or will be MMP tunnels under Warm Springs Ave to get from one side to the other.
17. You cannot drive on the Turnpike, not even to cross. There are 2 MMP bridges planned to go over the turnpike.

Remember, these are the rules for non-street legal carts. A cart must have a Florida license plate in order to drive on Buena Vista & Morse Blvd, or cross the 3 main east/west roads (466, 466a & 44) at the lights.

That is a very good summary except number 6 is wrong. You can cross 441 across from Spruce Creek. A special ordinance was made primarily for the residents at Spruce Creek and Stonecrest. There is a traffic light at that location thus the 441 traffic should be stopped before anyone crosses. Now if you live in The Villages you would use the golf cart bridge unless you were going to Spruce Creek. Then your advice of don't forget your gate key plays. You need a gate pass to get out of the Historic area and to head over to Wawa, Lowes , Walmart, Sonic, etc.

[tbrock555]

Thank you all for the information. Me and my wife are planning a month visit to check the place out for a possible future move. We would like to get around just using a golf cart if possible. My wife does not have a drivers license. Not set in stone yet but we are looking at the month of May. Two places we are leaning towards renting, if still available when we decide, one is in Woodbury and the other only describes itself as halfway between Sumter Landing Square and Spanish Springs Square. Being I have never been there just trying to figure out getting around when there. Again, thanks for all the info.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by tbrock555

Thank you all for the information. Me and my wife are planning a month visit to check the place out for a possible future move. We would like to get around just using a golf cart if possible. My wife does not have a drivers license. Not set in stone yet but we are looking at the month of May. Two places we are leaning towards renting, if still available when we decide, one is in Woodbury and the other only describes itself as halfway between Sumter Landing Square and Spanish Springs Square. Being I have never been there just trying to figure out getting around when there. Again, thanks for all the info.

For renting I think you would enjoy a more central location just south of LSL (Lake Sumter Landing), look for a rental in Virginia Trace and then work outwards from there. Here's a map of the location of every village, Virginia Trace is #47 on the map.

Villages Location Map

Here's a website that has 1600 rentals in TV.

The Villages 4 Rent

Here's a website with all the Squares Webcams on one page, you can make each larger by clicking in the corner.

The Villages Webcams

[xlhig]

Originally Posted by VApeople

That is correct.




No.



No.



No.

You CAN cross 441 at the light at Spruce Creek

[La lamy]

I recommend you get The Villages paper maps, both north and south ( got mine from gift store in Sumter Landing information center), or get the GPS golf cart app for your phone. It can get confusing when you're visiting here for the first time.

[lwest542]

you can cross 441 at Walmart

[Susan1234]

You can cross over 441/27 at the traffic lights at Spruce Creek , this allows older people to go to Walmart..as far as I know that is the only crossing.

[thecinks1@gmail.com]

I had a street legal cart for a couple of years. When the insurance went up to almost what it costs for a car, I sold the street legal cart and went with a gas one.

[Keninches]

The smart thing to do is stay on the cart paths and designated roads. There is no match for a car and a golf cart.
People have been killed in that situation. Good luck.

[rwfisher1969]

Originally Posted by stanley

Just to clarify, that bridge is part of the Villages (not outside) and connects the Historic section with Spanish Springs.

They might also be talking about the crossing at Spruce Creek South.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by photo1902

That is simply not true. A Street Legal cart can use Buena Vista and Morse, as well as cross over 466 and 466A on those roads

Can a STREET LEGAL cart cross 441 at Morse ? What is the rule for street legals ?

1. Max speed limit street allowable to drive on
2. Description of streets legal to cross