[Bilyclub]

[QUOTE=photo1902;2264592]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

The MMPs are paid for by Villagers, they are NOT public[/QUOTE

So if someone parks at Pinellas Plaza (which is public property) and walks down an MMP, they’re trespassing? You’re kidding, right?

Pinellas Plaza is actually private property which the public is invited to use while visiting the businesses there. The nearest MMP is on Buena Vista. According to half of the social media posters, walking on a MMP is endangering your life.

[Bilyclub]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

The only crime that will be enforced less than doing 23 MPH on the MMP

Will be a ticket for a non villager using the MMP

What’s your probable cause to stop the non villager? Will Wildwood PD stalk the crossing at 466A, and radio ahead that the yellow Yamaha with the Green Bay Packer’s front license plate is not a Villager?

Just stating the fact that the MMP's are not public. I was replying to this sarcastic post which you did not quote.

[EdFNJ]

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager

WOW....Yet......you find the time to post your reply with no back up of your statement...typical.
Next time please come more prepared.

Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh. Have some whine with your cheese, or cheese with your whine (whichever). Sorry I had other things to do at the time like leaving to pick up 100sq ft of sod then installing it, and didn't have time to search the state laws again. That being said Post #101 cites the relevant state laws but please read it carefully and IN FULL so as not to take anything out of context.

The cops alleged comment (maybe the poster quoted him wrong) was a BLANKET "anyone can cross in a cart" and that is MILES from the correct answer. There are certain specific cases (exceptions) where it can be done and likely (if one reads it fully and carefully) most do not apply here.

IIRC (not 100% sure) a while back it was posted here (so it MUST be true) that a cart was issued a ticket crossing 466A at Morse. According to the cops alleged comment that led to this it would be an incorrect ticket.

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=photo1902;2264623]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

* I’m not off topic at all. You claim the MMP’s are private, not public. If that’s the case, anyone entering/using them by any means of conveyance is trespassing. This is completely different than accessing or using a rec center, pool, etc. The bottom line is the MMP’s are fair game, as there will be no enforcement taken on people using them.

What does a lack of enforcement have to do with the fact that the MMPs are private property???? If they were "public", then law enforcement could issue speeding tickets, which they can't. If they were "public", there would be a posted speed limit. If they were "public", local authorities and the state of Florida would be making the rules. Please share the section of Florida Statutes that states you can't drive your SUV on an MMP. If they were "public", all the taxpayers of the county would be paying to maintain them, not just Villagers. I suppose the bicycle paths and walking trails south of 44 are "public" as well? Get a grip.

[Gatorfan1]

Spruce Creek South at entrance. Approved by Marion County Commissioners years ago.

[Triker]

Lol you are just stirring the pot! Are you bored? Golf carts can’t go out there.

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by MrChip72

I'm a little confused about that statement.

I find it hard to believe .

Read & Learn: Village Community Development Districts

[photo1902]

[QUOTE=golfing eagles;2264698]

Originally Posted by photo1902

It's not about me "feeling better", it's about correcting your misinformation

Pretty sure you misunderstood my post regarding enforcement. All I was saying is that there is no way the MMP’s won’t be available for public access. Period. The issue, as I see it, is people are worried about the floodgates opening if non-villagers have the ability to access the MMP’s by golf cart. Not something I’d lose a second of sleep over if that happens. This is a completely separate topic from non-villagers using pools, rec center activities, etc., which of course no villager wants.

[Goldwingnut]

Originally Posted by Bilyclub

Interesting point of view from Wildwood PD. Since Pinellas Plaza is also In Wildwood it would be their jurisdiction. If this is true they need to take down the "No Carts Beyond This Point" sign on Pinellas. Unless the Officer meant street legal carts may cross. I've seen plenty of carts do it already, but to me it's risky as cars on 466A are flying and many go thru the red light.

There is already a “no carts beyond this point” sign (OK, not 100% sure of the exact words) on Pinellas just before you get to the light about even with the entry to the Villages Health entry. It is illegal to cross that intersection in a golf cart that is not “Street Legal”.

I doubt that it will ever be made an exception, the developer will fight tooth and nail to stop it if it is ever considered by Wildwood, and rightfully so, they want to protect their merchants competitive advantage that they pay a premium for “golf cart accessible” access for.

[golfing eagles]

[QUOTE=photo1902;2264703]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Pretty sure you misunderstood my post regarding enforcement. All I was saying is that there is no way the MMP’s won’t be available for public access. Period. The issue, as I see it, is people are worried about the floodgates opening if non-villagers have the ability to access the MMP’s by golf cart. Not something I’d lose a second of sleep over if that happens. This is a completely separate topic from non-villagers using pools, rec center activities, etc., which of course no villager wants.

I agree with you there, it is probably unenforceable----gates are totally impractical, and "patrolling" them even less so. But we need to get more serious about checking IDs. There are people sneaking onto the exec golf courses after the ambassador leaves, both Villagers avoiding the trail fee and non-Villagers. There are complaints about teens climbing over into Tamarind Grove and using the pools. I don't care if someone wants to cross 466A (which Don has clearly posted is illegal) and drive around on public roads or go walk on an MMP----but amenities are a different story. One cannot expect a trespasser to take proper care of a pool or golf course, nor obey the rules.

PS: If a non-Villager walker on a MMP trips and injures themselves, who is liable????? Same for a pool and golf course. Are we sharing in some degree of liability for failing to check IDs or monitor the golf course after hours?????

[Foxtrot]

Great that we can now go to Aldis across the street and save some money, it's a long cart ride to Walmart on 466 from Buttonwood. When will Winn Dixie turn into an Aldis?

[KJ1325]

I see Golf Carts coming from Continental Country Club crossing Morse all the time coming into the Village of Bradford.

[Sandy and Ed]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Do those "named roads" have a speed limit of 30 mph or less? Then it's possible you can drive on them, no different than driving on the streets in the Villages or on our roads that merge cart lanes into the car lane,

Ok. I need to get some clarification here. We can drive our NOT street legal golf carts on public roads outside the villages as long as the speed limit is 30 mph?? Was not aware of that if true. Of course if true would probably need to traverse a road with a higher speed limit to get to one under 30 mph

[Keefelane66]

Originally Posted by Bilyclub

Just stating the fact that the MMP's are not public. I was replying to this sarcastic post which you did not quote.

Oh good maybe Community Watch should patrol MMP’s and check ID’s

[dewilson58]

Originally Posted by KJ1325

I see Golf Carts coming from Continental Country Club crossing Morse all the time coming into the Village of Bradford.

Continental across 44??