[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Again, it's NOT THE BAG, it's how people dispose of them. I've never seen a plastic grocery bag free itself from a sealed trash bag and blow itself into the ocean, have you??? And these plasma burn plants don't leave microparticles for earthworms.

There's this chicken-wire or some such fence on the island of Bonaire, maybe 6' - 8' high, where locals hang things that wash in from the sea. Pretty eye-opening: I saw a few bags but lots of other stuff as well. Clothing. Children's toys. lots of plastic bottles and containers. Those plastic holders that six-packs of beer come in. Styrofoam. Those foam flotation "noodles". A hairpiece ("wig"?) A dilapidated fishing net. Couple of beach balls. Partially-filled plastic water bottles. A couple of things I can't mention here. What appeared to be a beach lounge chair. Lots of other stuff. It was eye-opening to say the least. According to a local I talked to the display changes regularly as new items wash up and old ones are disposed of.

Bags are negligible compared to the huge amounts of detritus tossed into the ocean down there.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

Certain macro doses of certain substances would make that a possibility for some....no Dr.?!

Even small doses of a powerful hallucinogen, or more likely an underlying psychosis.

[asianthree]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I bring my own cloth bags. Maybe the sores in Florida should REWARD their customers that bring in their own cloth bags. Maybe something small as a reward like a 3% discount on purchases.

Trader Joe’s has a reward program for customers own bags. Problem is most customers are such a high percentage of bags, that chances of winning are super small.

Best cooler bag for us TJs same width top to bottom

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Ever see a plastic bag properly secured on a boat, say in a cabinet, jump out all by itself????

Having spent half my life aboard vessels of every size. Yes! When seas are rough, things secured in a normal way, continuous tossing and turning can cause havoc very quickly. Even when extra precautions are taken, at sea, things can/do happen.
Have you seen shipping containers properly secured for sea tossed overboard? Or cars, trucks, trailers, tied down for sea break loose in a car carrier or ferry boat? Things at sea can be very unpredictable. Basically, s--t happens.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by crazygery

Archaeologists are now finding microplastics in ancient remains | CNN

Not sure of the point you were trying to make... but that article is about how modern use of plastics has now been shown to be contaminating ancient remains, with microplastics seeping down into buried centuries old soil layers

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Nearly all roaches brought into house are from shopping at grocery stores and it not bags that put grocery’s in how they’re getting in.

I am sure, having read hundreds of your well researched and thoughtful posts here, that you have some sort of evidence for THAT statement. I will be back to read the links to the studies.

Does your spellchecker work? I don't normally point out spelling errors, perhaps English is not your first language or you have a learning disability.... but when you make a scientific statement, I do use clues to suggest the amount of education that underlies that statement.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Exactly like that!. I can pose the same question about guns that the anti plastic bag posters refuse to answer.

Has anyone ever seen a gun unlock itself from a gun safe, load itself with ammunition from a locked draw, float out to a phone, call an Uber, direct the driver to a school, church or movie theater, float out to the building then hover in midair and shoot a bunch of people???? ANYONE????EVER????

Because I've never seen a properly discarded or stored plastic grocery bag free itself and throw itself into the ocean. NEVER.

To your middle paragraph. Not many people sit around and watch stored guns. But, (you knew there would be a but) no matter how well guns or ammo are locked up, an awful lot of them seem to end up in the hands of folks who use them to intentionally do a lot of harm and bad stuff. What do you think we, as a God loving, peace loving country ought to do to stop guns from being used in this reprehensible manner?

[Escape Artist]

Originally Posted by Darield

I am amazed that Florida still allows the use of plastic bags in grocery stores. So many other states have banned it. We now have microplastics (very small plastic particles) in our agriculture soil, ocean and just about anywhere you can think of. There are so many studies that verify the dangers of plastics and I cringe every time I go to the grocery store and see 10-20-30 plastic bags per cart. Just one Publics said they can go through thousands of plastic bags in a day. Here is one link that talks about how serious this problem has gotten. It's our new DDT.How microplastics are infiltrating the food you eat . There are now studies beiing done of earthworms ingesting micro-plastics. ScienceDirect

[Shipping up to Boston]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

To your middle paragraph. Not many people sit around and watch stored guns. But, (you knew there would be a but) no matter how well guns or ammo are locked up, an awful lot of them seem to end up in the hands of folks who use them to intentionally do a lot of harm and bad stuff. What do you think we, as a God loving, peace loving country ought to do to stop guns from being used in this reprehensible manner?

Does this theory also apply to kitchen knives, baseball bats, etc....you know, the tools of the streets?

[blueash]

Originally Posted by cjrjck

And you clearly do not worship at the alter of "Science" tology like many do today.

Funny how people who do not worship at the alter of "Science" tology want their doctors to have studied the science of medicine, and their engineers to use science in designing safer cars, jets, roads, buildings and bridges. Apparently science is your enemy when it conflicts with your political or religious or ethnic or other ingrained or learned opinions.

The beauty of science is it does not depend on faith, it depends on evidence and admits that such evidence should always be open to challenge, reinterpretation, revision and even replacement. So not even scientists worship science. They respect its process and admire its evidence based conclusions.

[LeRoySmith]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

What do you think we.....ought to do to stop guns from being used in this reprehensible manner?

Think about how we got here and try to address it.

Focus on:
Mental illness (of every kind)
Nuclear family
Gun safety like was taught in every boy scout troop for the past hundred years (before the pedos came around)
Personal accountability
Proper punishment for crimes (starting at about 2 years old)
Look into the violence in music, movies, kids cartoons, video games and TV (and many other forms of pop culture

I'm sure I.ve missed a bunch of other common sense approaches that a few beers have blocked from my feeble mind. Oh yeah! and substance abuse

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Having spent half my life aboard vessels of every size. Yes! When seas are rough, things secured in a normal way, continuous tossing and turning can cause havoc very quickly. Even when extra precautions are taken, at sea, things can/do happen.
Have you seen shipping containers properly secured for sea tossed overboard? Or cars, trucks, trailers, tied down for sea break loose in a car carrier or ferry boat? Things at sea can be very unpredictable. Basically, s--t happens.

And what percentage of plastic bags that end up in the ocean are caused by that "rough seas" scenario as opposed to 2 legged pigs??? Not very much I would guess.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

To your middle paragraph. Not many people sit around and watch stored guns. But, (you knew there would be a but) no matter how well guns or ammo are locked up, an awful lot of them seem to end up in the hands of folks who use them to intentionally do a lot of harm and bad stuff. What do you think we, as a God loving, peace loving country ought to do to stop guns from being used in this reprehensible manner?

Then you have to stop the PERSON, not the gun.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I would be embarrassed to admit that about my spouse, if that was what my spouse said.

Most "northerners" came from states that already do recycling, already value the idea of re-using plastics rather than disposing of them, and already embrace the idea of cloth bags for dry shelf-stable goods, and thermal bags for refrigerated/frozen/heated goods.

Yes, we waste stuff. We throw things away, we don't grow all our own food and milk our own cows or have chickens who lay our eggs for us here in The Villages. But some of us came from those environments. The "north" is filled with large farms, small farms, off-grid self-sustaining homesteads, people who have compost heaps in their back yards, and so on.

Might want to teach your wife that. Lumping everyone who grew up in the north with blanket statements is a sign of ignorance. If I was your wife and read what you said about me I'd probably have you sleeping in the laundry shed for the next month.

You forget who you're talking to...

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston

Does this theory also apply to kitchen knives, baseball bats, etc....you know, the tools of the streets?

Actually, I really wouldn't know. I didn't grow up in scenes from West Side Story.