[jandbrare]

Originally Posted by rshoffer

Now I see where the problem is.... if you make a tee time over the computer and put a non resident, say from Stonecrest, down as your guest, when they get to the pro shop and check in they will need to be "changed" from a priority guest or resident guest to simply a non-resident. The only ID card they need then is a photo ID.... however, when they get out to the starter shack, his computer print-out likely still has them down as a priority guest or resident guest and if the pro shop hasn't communicated to the starter shack that they are really a non-resident (and not a guest) the guy in the starter shack is going to want to see a guest ID pass (which they obviously don't have). This is exactly what happened to the guy fron Spruce Creek I played with a few weeks ago. The guy in the starter shack was absolutely beside himself because the Spruce Creek gut didn't have a Villeges guest card.

Is it a little too 'regulated'? You want to bring a friend in from Spuce Creek and you have to endure this?

Jerry

[graciegirl]

We are not a small one golf course community. Doesn't seem much to "endure" to me. It takes some rigamarole at our home private club to get a guest in and the member pays.

[Mallory]

Jerry - Seems to me that you tried to slip one by, got caught, were embarassed, and are now trying to shift the blame. Sorry.

[jandbrare]

Originally Posted by 784caroline

NO probem for me either...tee times are at a premium for both championship and executive courses. The problem is yours for not knowing rules ... and I am surprised that they allowed a non-guest on at AP without a guest pass who lived in Marion County.

BTW all guests are required to show a guest pass at a form of ID at the starter shack! When checking in at a starter shack, I cannot check my wife in...she has to show her ID card herself. As long as it is equally enforced, I have no problem with this either!

I don't think you can get a guest pass if you live in Marion Co.

Jerry

[jandbrare]

Originally Posted by villages07

Actually, JandD, the country club cut you some slack.... normally, at this time of year, you can't reserve ahead of time for 'general public' tee time slots on Champ courses. The public can only snatch open tee times the day of play by calling the club. So, when you made the 3-day-out reservation for you, your wife, and 2 guests (but one was actually a public non-guest) you grabbed a tee time you ended up not being entitled to. I know... rules rules... but tee times this time of year are scarce and limiting 'public' slots to day of play is one way TV tries to prioritize and accommodate resident and guest golf demand.

Otherwise, I agree with Indy's assessment of the situation.

Where in the 'Rules' is it written that you can't put a Marion County resident in as a guest in the tee-time system? That is your understanding, but without being a TV lawyer, how does one know?

Jerry

[jandbrare]

Originally Posted by Mallory

Jerry - Seems to me that you tried to slip one by, got caught, were embarassed, and are now trying to shift the blame. Sorry.

No, actually, I just wanted to make a tee time for my wife, me, and two guests. But, I won't try again.

Jerry

[rshoffer]

Originally Posted by jandbrare

Is it a little too 'regulated'? You want to bring a friend in from Spuce Creek and you have to endure this?

Jerry

it is as good a system as I could come up with, the starter shack guy seems to not get the info he needs so as to not hassle the non resident player . I think I now understand the situation enough to navigate it with non resident friends.

[rshoffer]

Originally Posted by jandbrare

Where in the 'Rules' is it written that you can't put a Marion County resident in as a guest in the tee-time system? That is your understanding, but without being a TV lawyer, how does one know?

Jerry

They are NOT a guest... they are "non-resident" players. They pay a higher fee than guests and do NOT need guest passes. It took me a while to figure it out.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Well, I called Palmer. Put your friend in the tee time reservation system as a guest. When you check in they will change the reservation (after looking at ID) from resident guest to non-resident and your guest will pay the non-resident fees.
Gosh, that wasn't hard at all and took all of 20 seconds to get an answer.

Did anyone read this??
The problem you had is the lack of communication between the pro shop and the starter shack. Wouldn't it make sense for one of the offfended parties to contact the Pro a AP, explain your concern.......maybe he just might fix this gap.
(flinging barbs back and forth will solve nothing)

[Indy-Guy]

Originally Posted by jandbrare

No, actually, I just wanted to make a tee time for my wife, me, and two guests. But, I won't try again.

Jerry

Jerry,

I truly feel bad that you had a bad experience. I would be more than happy to meet with you and help you work the system to your needs. I don't want to debate the issue. I beleive that the system works and that more times than not it is a misunderstanding as to how to work the system for what your needs are.

Feel free to private e-mail me, from up in the upper right hand part of this screen, and I will meet with you if you feel that I can be of help. If not I feel that this dead horse has been kicked to death.

[jandbrare]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Well, I called Palmer. Put your friend in the tee time reservation system as a guest. When you check in they will change the reservation (after looking at ID) from resident guest to non-resident and your guest will pay the non-resident fees.
Gosh, that wasn't hard at all and took all of 20 seconds to get an answer.

Yep, that's what I did, so I'm a law-abiding citizen. EXCEPT, I didn't get the Va. guest a guest pass. (Didn't think I'd have to if he wasn't using amenity-supported facilities.) I couldn't have gotten the Stonecrest resident a quest pass because, duh, he is a tri-county resident.

Honest, guys, I wasn't trying to be deceptive. Just trying to make a simple tee-time request—as a priority member on a TV golf course.

Jerry

[SABRMnLgs]

From another Jerry .............. I live in TV and in Marion County. I DON'T play golf yet some of my amenities money goes toward the upkeep of the courses. I DON'T play pickleball, tennis, et al but part of my amenities goes toward upkeep of those facilities also. I know nothing anything about polo nor am I interested so I DON'T go there either yet part of my amenities go towards up keep of that place also. I could go on abou baseball fields, town squares and the like but you get the idea.
Perhaps if the percentage of money I pay through my amenities thing for stuff I won't ever need or use, you could put that amount of monies towards your friend's fees as he does use thse facilities.
I guess if your a golfer, it's important. To me, I could care less if they come from two blocks or 200 miles away. Sure gives a twist to "Florida's
Friendliest?? Home Town though dosen't it?
Gives the folks going back home a real piece of cannon fodder to tell their friends. I won't ramble cause I'll get in trouble again.

[graciegirl]

Jerry.

Up north in Ohio we have a home in a golf course community that we pay membership dues to the golf course year round. This community has a top notch school system. This community has a fitness center and nice shopping and good restaurants nearby. We can only play golf on the course in the summer months. We don't have kids in the school system. We don't go to the fitness center. BUT all of those things make our home more comfortable and the community more attractive and although values everywhere have dropped, we still have a decent investment relatively speaking.

Here, most of us don't avail ourselves to everything offered, and even if we don't play golf, the profusion of golf courses make attractive green spaces and increase the value of the community.

The amenities fees of about $130 per month do not seem unfair to me.

I hope I am not jumping on you Jerry. You and me and everyone here should be having the time of their lives. That is one of the draws of this lovely place, the residents seem to be enjoying themselves and are so friendly.

GG

P.S. Jerry, you might try golf, a LOT of people love it!

[SABRMnLgs]

Sorry Grace, golf is a great outlet for some people. But for me .... taking a stick and hitting a ball around a cow pasture in the hot sun is a four letter word ... w-o-r-k!
I used to play baseball into college and at some point decided exercizing my mind was more important. I do nothing that involves any kind of ball, stick, puck, water or horses.
I do however still have a passion for sports research and music.

[Ooper]

I for one, if I didn't do any activity that was funded by the amenitiy fees, I would probably be living some place different. As was posted before, you do get more house per dollar outside The Villages. Why wouldn't I do that if I don't partake? The reason I am living here is because of everything TV offers and I don't mind the "cost" for this.