[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

For some, that may make them feel a lot better and reduce their anxiety. However, the thought that every car is carrying a concealed weapon gives me a lot of pause. I hope the road rage does not escalate to a shoot out at the OK corral!

Perhaps I didn't word the joke well. It is the police who have a lower level of anxiety because they don't have to wonder if there is a gun in the car. They know there is a gun in the car (and behave accordingly.) Perhaps it's an inside joke that law enforcement people understand better.

Florida's "lawful carry if encased" law extends, to my personal knowledge, back for over 61 years and we haven't experienced your "shoot out at the OK corral" yet. Pretty good record. During that same time frame, in other jurisdictions there have been mass murders in "gun free zones."


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[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by buggyone

It seems as some who have such strong Second Amendment viewpoints forget about First Amendment guarantees that includes Freedom of Speech.

What we have here is a lapse in logic.

The full text of the First Amendment is: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I have never seen any discussion of the Second Amendment in which any supporter of the amendment has proposed that Congress should pass a law abridging the right of Free Speech.

Freedom of Speech does not shield the speaker from others expressing disapproval of his views or even from repercussions resulting from expressing those views. People can even be fired from their jobs for speaking out on controversial subjects. If you doubt that check with Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling.

So, speak out all you want. The First Amendment protects you from Congress, but does not require others to believe that your views have merit.

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[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

Perhaps I didn't word the joke well. It is the police who have a lower level of anxiety because they don't have to wonder if there is a gun in the car. They know there is a gun in the car (and behave accordingly.) Perhaps it's an inside joke that law enforcement people understand better.

Florida's "lawful carry if encased" law extends, to my personal knowledge, back for over 61 years and we haven't experienced your "shoot out at the OK corral" yet. Pretty good record. During that same time frame, in other jurisdictions there have been mass murders in "gun free zones."


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I guess I also did not word my joke very well concerning "shootout at the OK corral" With some of the nuts on the street, things could escalate beyond the typical road rage incident. However, I do not feel any safer in Florida, as opposed to other areas in the country that have gun free zones, because almost anyone in Florida could be packing a gun. I really do not see the cause and effect for mass murders and gun free zones.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Shimpy

Carl in Tampa.....I always read your posts and appreciate your input and knowledge as a past secret service agent. It's good to have you on the board giving your opinion and attempting to straighten out those that are uninformed and tend to believe what they hear in the main stream media.

Thanks for the kind words.

I try to confine my remarks to facts or to opinions carefully identified as opinions, and to avoid calling names.

I am a strong conservative with a libertarian streak who believes strongly in the Bill of Rights.

I believe George Orwell's book 1984, written in 1948, clearly describes the course to destruction that our nation has been on for years. I hope to see it change.

[DaleMN]

Surely no one believes that a few old people, or even a few children, accidentally shooting themselves or others would cause the NRA to agree to any sensible safety policies.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by DaleMN

Surely no one believes that a few old people, or even a few children, accidentally shooting themselves or others would cause the NRA to agree to any sensible safety policies.

The NRA has a 150 year history of promoting gun safety.

Throughout the 20th Century most police firearms training programs were NRA related. Range safety was the first subject taught to police trainees. Police agencies prided themselves on having NRA Certified marksmanship instructors.

Many states, including Florida, had NRA affiliated Hunter Safety Training Courses. I was a NRA Certified Hunter Safety Instructor in the 60's.

The NRA Eddie Eagle gun safety training program for children Pre-K through grade four has been taught in schools, in scouting programs and other venues.

The NRA worked closely with the U.S. Military in developing marksmanship training programs for military recruits at the outbreak of WWII and continued to prepare citizens for military service through implementation of the Civilian Marksmanship Program the mission of which is "To Promote Firearm Safety and Marksmanship Training With an Emphasis on Youth."

Indisputably, the NRA is the nation's leader in providing instruction in firearms safety.

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by buggyone

I am not really sure of what is meant here by being suggesting a belligerent nature and combative character and flaws in fabric. Most of my fabric is denim.

I hope you made something good with the key lime juice.

I hope if you post any more stories made up about me that they will not imply that I am a gunslinger.

[Carl in Tampa]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

I guess I also did not word my joke very well concerning "shootout at the OK corral" With some of the nuts on the street, things could escalate beyond the typical road rage incident. However, I do not feel any safer in Florida, as opposed to other areas in the country that have gun free zones, because almost anyone in Florida could be packing a gun. I really do not see the cause and effect for mass murders and gun free zones.

1. "Could escalate?" Road rage involving firearms is rare. And a shootout involving multiple subjects might happen in Chicago, where most firearms are banned, but not here.

2. "Gun free zones," such as schools, afford the mass murderer a large number of victims who do not have the means (firearms) to effectively end his assault. So he has a longer period of time to continue his assault and maximizes the number of victims, making a bigger name for himself. That is the nexus between "gun free zones" and mass murders.

Do some research and you will find that it is not uncommon for the mass murderer in a "gun free zone" to turn his gun on himself as soon as he is confronted by armed police who are responding to the call for help.


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[buggyone]

Do not forget the man in The Villages a couple of years ago at Christmas time who got into an arguement with another Villager over a parking space. He pulled back his jacket and flashed the pistol in his belt holster in a threatening manner. 911 was called and that man is now enjoying some free room and board courtesy of Florida for assault with a deadly weapon.

Then there was the domestic dispute between two retired LEO's. She shot him in the stomach a couple of times before he escaped through a bathroom window. She is now enjoying the free room and board courtesy of Florida.

Do not forget the retired police captain in Wesley Chapel who killed a man in a theater because some popcorn got tossed. More free room and board.

All of these people carried legally but something snapped. Be careful with your weapons, please.

[skyguy79]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

About "the state can't do anything" about an unfit driver reported to the DMV:

WRONG!

See link here, "How to report an unfit driver" in FL:

Florida GrandDriver - Official Website

This reminds me of when I was a district enforcement supervisor for the NYSDMV. One of many of my duties was to send out adjudicated orders to local or state police agencies to pick up driver licenses and/or license plates and to process notices of compliance or non-compliances when the orders were returned, along with confiscated items, or explanations as to why they couldn't enforce the orders.

There was one particular instance I distinctly recall where the chief adjudicator called me directly and said he received a request for an elderly family member to take that family members drivers license away before he killed himself or someone else.

Normally orders to take away a motorists revoked or suspended items required there be a 30 day wait before I sent the orders to the police. This wait was in order to give the motorist time to voluntarily surrender the items(s) on their own. Not in this special case though. The chief told me he was sending the order to me by special currier and that I was to send it out immediately.

As I've indicated this was in NY State, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this can be done in Florida as well.

BTW, the funniest response/reason I ever got back from the police was when I accidentally sent them an order with just a PO Box in the address. We weren't supposed to send those kind of orders out.

The policeman returned the order and wrote on the back that he couldn't enforce the order. He explained that he went to the post office, went to the PO box, looked in through the window on the little box and he did not see the motorist whose items he was supposed to confiscate.

On another order the police indicated that a deceased motorist had moved and his new location was either heaven or somewhere with a warmer climate!

[kittygilchrist]

Originally Posted by buggyone

It seems as some who have such strong Second Amendment viewpoints forget about First Amendment guarantees that includes Freedom of Speech.

Freedom of speech does not extend to defamation of character.
Did you think a cup of lime juice was a fix for your story made up about me shooting people? No flaws in that denim...nope.

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Do not forget the man in The Villages a couple of years ago at Christmas time who got into an arguement with another Villager over a parking space. He pulled back his jacket and flashed the pistol in his belt holster in a threatening manner. 911 was called and that man is now enjoying some free room and board courtesy of Florida for assault with a deadly weapon.

Then there was the domestic dispute between two retired LEO's. She shot him in the stomach a couple of times before he escaped through a bathroom window. She is now enjoying the free room and board courtesy of Florida.

Do not forget the retired police captain in Wesley Chapel who killed a man in a theater because some popcorn got tossed. More free room and board.

All of these people carried legally but something snapped. Be careful with your weapons, please.

Thank you for doing some research for Carl in Tampa. Sometimes we like to quote the facts that support our views. Of course, some do not not always agree that others peoples views warrant merit. But that is to be expected when people can express their opinion on this board.

[Longrider49]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Until it does get overturned, it is still the law.

No it isn't! What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you get?