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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1826099)

While I can appreciate your sentiment, a gun stored and locked in a safe is completely useless. The Bad Guy isn't going to give you time to unlock the safe. No different than carrying a gun with no ammo. Useless.

Actually, the modern gun safe is extremely quick to open. They make units that respond to the owner's fingerprint and they make units where the owner can set up a combination using their fingers in a pre-set pattern. For example, the safe has a hand printed on the top where the owner places his/her fingers. They then set it up to work for example by pressing index finger twice, ring finger once, index finger again. Once they put in that code correctly, the safe door pops open with a spring loaded piston. Personally, I prefer the fingerprint method since it is even faster and much more accurate under emergency conditions.

Definition of cherry picking

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Originally Posted by sloanst (Post 1826098)

This is a typical argument posed by gun control advocates. Why compare Massachusetts to Florida and no other state? Because you cherry picked data that would satisfy your position. Why limit your data from 2007 to 2018. Why not use data from 1997 or 1987? Because you cherry picked data to satisfy your argument. Do you know what that is called? LYING.

taking things out of context , givingb11 years in a row of stats is facts, lying ?? To comical to even defend lol

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1825961)

Actually no, it bestows those rights on a well-regulated Militia.

Are you a member of the Militia? No? Then it's not a "right," for you. Are you wanting to be a member of the Militia? Then great. You pass. If you want to possess a firearm but are not willing to be a member of a well-regulated Militia, willing and able and prepared to fight against a tyrannical government, then you are asking for a privilege and not a constitutional right.

So prove that you a) know the law, b) can see your target with or without glasses. c) know how to use the weapon properly.

Are you saying you shouldn't have to prove any of those three things? If that's the case, let's just arm every man, woman, and child - if they're capable of holding a weapon, then they get to have one. Don't bother teaching them how to use it - because knowing how isn't required by the Constitution. Of course - ammunition is also not a Constitutional right. They can have firearms - but nowhere in the Constitution does it say those firearms can be loaded.

You want to pick nits? I can pick them all day.

Edited because I had a brain-poop and swapped out "well-armed" with what should've been "well-regulated." And by regulated - they meant "controls." It meant that even the constitution agrees that there should be some CONTROLS over how and who and under what circumstances a person gets to enjoy that right to bear arms.

Wrong, wrong, wrong! Please do some research. The US Supreme Court ruled in DC vs Heller that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution does indeed protect an individual’s right to possess a firearm for private matters and use within the home in federal enclaves. Militia membership has noting to do with private ownership of guns.

Also at that time "regulated" meant well equipped, not controlled.

Are people required to receive training and demonstrate they can properly raise a child? Bad parenting creates more problems in this country than guns.

Are you required to have completed education on how our government works and to prove it in a test before you can vote? Voting for the wrong person or party has created a lot of serious problems in this country. Need proof, check out the the anarchy and lawlessness being demonstrated in Portland, Chicago, etc., that the governors and mayors completely ignore.

Nope ammunition isn't mentioned in the Constitution but neither is food, clothing, medical care, and on and on so I guess we can't have those items either. Can't have gasoline for our motor vehicles, not in the constitution.

Nit picking is one thing but ridiculous hyperbole only shows the weakness of your argument.

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1825944)

Judging people who don't do things the way you do, just because they don't do things the same way you do, is rude.

You do it all the time, go back and read your posts.

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1825972)

So is going through a stop sign without fully stopping no matter where you are!! (I'll raise you one "!") Your point?

What is your point? People break laws all the time, so let's confine everyone to their home so they can't commit unlawful deeds.

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Originally Posted by LianneMigiano (Post 1825987)

Why? For bragging rights? You can probably only shoot ONE AT A TIME.....

How many pairs of shoes do you own? You can only wear one pair at a time. How many different styles and colors of clothes do you have? All you need is a blue (pick your color) shirt and pants. Seven of each, one for each day of the week, is sufficient to clothe you.
Some people have multiple motor vehicles but they can only operate one at a time.

Your argument is meaningless.

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Originally Posted by bob47 (Post 1826106)

That's true. But you know what? A baseball bat or a knife doesn't have the ability to maim or kill somebody 100 yards away on the other side of Spanish Springs town square.

Yep, that's true, but I can come up behind someone in a crowd and stab them in the back and no one will notice or hear it. A person could walk down the street in broad daylight holding a knife behind their back and slash another person's jugular as they pass and keep on walking and no one will know what happened until the victim starts spurting blood everywhere.

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Originally Posted by theruizs (Post 1825842)

One day all will realize how wrong guns are, or any other object kept as a weapon. The only reason to believe that guns are necessary to protect life and/or property is if you believe this life is all there is. If you take another life, or harm another, even in defense of some form, you will have to make amends to the one harmed. Heaven is not what you think it is. And yes, the same is true for war and soldiers, although for most soldiers who were teenagers those who trained them may be just as culpable. Pooh pooh this now, that’s ok. You will eventually see the truth of it.

In your view of the world, the weaker people (children, women, older, disabled, smaller) would be at the complete mercy of the strongest/brawniest.

Guns are an equalizer, like it or not. They are also a good deterrent. You may not own a gun yourself, but the fact that you have the right to own one makes a criminal think twice about coming onto your property to do you or your loved ones harm. Thank God for that.

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Originally Posted by Pmarlow (Post 1825850)

You obviously don’t know what the constitution says and even why it says what it does. The constitution says “we have the right to bear arms.” If you read the Federalists Papers the reason for this is so the people can protect themselves and their property from others including the government if the government doesn’t live up to its responsibilities as defined in the Constitution.

Well said. And the government includes federal, State , county and city. When you have "Child" mayors, city councils, etc who have no skills regarding their oaths to protect the people, you have by the Constitution the right to protect yourself. If you choose not to protect yourself and family, that is your right. However, when the government chooses not to protect you, you have a right to protect yourself.

When Seattle Mayor and Washington Governor abandoned the capital district of Seattle to the mob, there were many citizens living there left to defend themselves. I am glad to know I have that right. That is not to say I relish that opportunity. In fact, I would personally not want to live or visit any area with that type of leadership.

I am not carrying because I have yet to adequately trained. But I pray fellow citizens, properly trained, are carrying when I am sitting in one of our theaters with no back exit from the stadium seating, when we are dancing at a town square, or while we are enjoying a dinner out. Our only hope, if it ever happens, would be someone with skill returing fire. And yes, law enforcement will arrive int time to investigate the scene. Fortunately, there are many Villagers regularly carrying, most of whom are trained and proficient.

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Originally Posted by sloanst (Post 1826109)

FYI, It is illegal in the State of Florida to possess a concealed firearm within 15 feet of a bar (where alcohol is being dispensed). So, if you witness this, by all means dial 911. I will support you. Alcohol and guns do not belong together. Period.

THIS POST ABOVE IS FAKE NEWS
Where did you come up with a bogus 15ft ?
If I carry CONCEALED , how are you to know I have one?

He's the real story;
You are not permitted under Florida law to carry in a bar area that serves alcohol. The law states that "any portion of an establishment that dispenses alcohol.... which is primarily devoted to such purpose".

So it is widely interpreted in Florida to mean that you can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, as its primary purpose is to dispense food and not alcohol. However, if the restaurant has a bar area you cannot enter that area while carrying a firearm. And you certainly cannot enter a fully licensed bar. That is classed as a misdemeanor with a possible 60 days jail or $500 fine.

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Originally Posted by bob47 (Post 1826106)

That's true. But you know what? A baseball bat or a knife doesn't have the ability to maim or kill somebody 100 yards away on the other side of Spanish Springs town square.

And neither does handgun for home defense.

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Originally Posted by Tsmart (Post 1826068)

It's illegal to carry a gun with any kind of mask on.

Why would you put a mask on a gun? :duck:

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Originally Posted by Tsmart (Post 1826068)

It's illegal to carry a gun with any kind of mask on.

Only if you’re entering 7-11 or gas station :ho:

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Originally Posted by sloanst (Post 1826109)

FYI, It is illegal in the State of Florida to possess a concealed firearm within 15 feet of a bar (where alcohol is being dispensed). So, if you witness this, by all means dial 911.

There are lot's of laws of things you aren't SUPPOSED to do (like driving while drunk). Lot's of people ignore that so why would carrying a gun in your pants while in a bar or restaurant being served alcohol be any different? You likely won't WITNESS IT since it's usually stuck down their pants.