[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by dsilverbj

There is a simple solution which would probably require an amendment to
the by laws. Just like with the Village Charter School if you lose your job in the Villages your child can no longer attend the Charter School. The amendment should read that if you are underage in the Villages and commit a crime then you lose your right to live here whether you are living with your parents or not.

Although, this seems to be a good idea in general, it couldn't be enforced, even if legal. This guy could own his house in the villages. Of course, I did not see any indication that he was living with his parents, but anyone over 19 yrs old can live in the villages with their parents, right? But, maybe he rents or owns a residence in the villages.

If you use google, you will see that there is a map with many residents in the villages that have been convicted of a sexual offense. You may have one that lives right next door and not even know it. Not that there is an overwhelming amount of these folks in the villages. Just saying. Of course, these are just the registered sexual offenders.

But, like you I get very upset when I hear of a possible case of child abuse or child molestation. But, like the lawyer said, this guy is not being charged with that type of crime.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Bonny

Too funny ! And what about the many seniors who live here that have committed crimes ?

Exactly!

[REDCART]

Originally Posted by Bonny

Oh my goodness, I'm 63 so I shouldn't go to family pools unless I have kids ? When we lived in Santiago, we went to the pool there because it was right by our house. It was a family pool. What's a senior pool ?

You conveniently missed the point! "The totality" of the circumstances is the operative word. By a senior pool I was referring to an adult pool.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Bonny

Oh my goodness, I'm 63 so I shouldn't go to family pools unless I have kids ? When we lived in Santiago, we went to the pool there because it was right by our house. It was a family pool. What's a senior pool ?

You are absolutely right. I think she was thinking of the resident pools? There are many seniors that enjoy being around young people and children in particular. They miss their family and grandkids and like to listen to them have fun and play. Just because one person may have evil thoughts for his/her particular reason to be there, does not make the rest of us perverts. We have nine grandchildren and three great-grandchildren and even though my wife wouldn't leave the villages, even if I was gone she still misses being around the kids. Sometimes we just want to see something different than white hair, stiff joints and lack of energy. Children have an abundance of energy and cheerfulness. It's contagious. No one should feel guilty about sharing in their company.

I do find it puzzling, base on the lack of information provided, that if this guy was innocent, then why did he not just excuse himself and leave, rather than sticking around for an altercation and then taking off with the guy's cell phone. But, I guess the court will vindicate him if he is innocent.

[tomwed]

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[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by gryoung

You conveniently missed the point! "The totality" of the circumstances is the operative word. By a senior pool I was referring to an adult pool.

Yes, there are four type of pools to my understanding.

Adult pool
Family pool
Sports pool

and country club pool.

[Bonny]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

You are absolutely right. I think she was thinking of the resident pools? There are many seniors that enjoy being around young people and children in particular. They miss their family and grandkids and like to listen to them have fun and play. Just because one person may have evil thoughts for his/her particular reason to be there, does not make the rest of us perverts. We have nine grandchildren and three great-grandchildren and even though my wife wouldn't leave the villages, even if I was gone she still misses being around the kids. Sometimes we just want to see something different than white hair, stiff joints and lack of energy. Children have an abundance of energy and cheerfulness. It's contagious. No one should feel guilty about sharing in their company.

I do find it puzzling, base on the lack of information provided, that if this guy was innocent, then why did he not just excuse himself and leave, rather than sticking around for an altercation and then taking off with the guy's cell phone. But, I guess the court will vindicate him if he is innocent.

The guy probably didn't leave because he's probably a hot head, LOL
Yes, it is so much fun seeing kids and even their younger than us parents. I enjoy talking with them in a lively conversation. I don't go to the pools anymore because we have our own, but when we did, I always talked to the little kids.

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by bomanm

This whole article started off about under age residents being the cause of trouble in the village because this 41 year old spoke to some young girl and her friends. It caused an up roar. Granted he should of been minding his on business & not approached the girls. If he was 62, it would be a dirty old man. The crime I see committed around here is from the local community. I do see petty stuff from the Villagers and they are from Senior residents. So before you start pointing fingers, get your facts right.

Facts ,as reported by the article?

He was arrested for assault
He was arrested for theft
He had been previously convicted of assault

By the way, aren't most residents of The Villages "senior?" Sounds to me like you are generalizing as much as the rest of us when you say you "see petty stuff from the Villagers"

He wasn't arrested for a pervert related crime. That was just the extenuating circumstances related to the incident. When reading a report, one wishes to be apprised of the possible motivation or circumstances surrounding the incident. Whether the spark that ignited the altercation was valid, implied or fabricated does not change the reporting of him being arrested.

[golfing eagles]

Well, after reading 112 posts and the article, I remain quite unclear on what happened.
IMHO, a 41 year old with resident ID has every right to be in a family pool, it may just be the closest to his home. If, as a community, we don't like the idea of a man without a child going there, then we should amend the rules to "no adult shall use a family pool unless accompanied by a minor"
We have no idea of the interaction between this man and the girls---is he friendly? Like kids? Miss his own children? or is he a perv?
Likewise, there is little info about grandpa's original interaction with this man---? aggressive, ? curious--who knows?
However, there was clearly an assault and theft. Usually, if there is an altercation involving battery, the police just arrest both parties and let the judge sort it out, so it SEEMS like most of the aggression was on the side of the 41 year old, as is clearly the theft, and possibly resisting arrest
I am concerned that there may have been multiple bystanders who did nothing. Yes, there is a slight chance of getting into legal problems if you help, but the law does allow you to help defend the victim of an assault.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I'm with Tal on this one. Not enough facts to know if there were any predatory acts. The conversation could have been an innocuous question about how they liked visiting TV to something extremely lewd and obscene. We also have no idea what was said by the grandfather. He really could have come off extremely accusatory and threatening. We don't know.

What we do know is that the younger resident was charged with battery against a senior citizen and theft. According to a TOTVer who heard part of the altercation, it was very loud and obscenities were used. Maybe by the grandfather, maybe by the perpetrator, maybe by an observer, maybe by both or all? Again, we don't know.

To politely ask someone to not interact with a child is appropriate in today's world. To become immediately belligerent is not reasonable. And please remember that most sexual abuse is perpetrated by friends and family, not strangers.

In this case, I'd say that charging the perpetrator with assault, battery and theft is appropriate. How it will turn out is unknown but I wouldn't be surprised to hear self-defense being brought up and accepted. That would leave a charge of theft to be plea bargained to a misdemeanor.

Thanks for pitching in with your view. It does sound to me that the grandfather was probably the hothead in this situation and the chatter got very mad when the grandfather started to imply that he had very despicable intentions towards the kids. The man then panicked from the implications of what might be in store for him.

I do not see this as a liberal (bleeding heart) interpretation of these facts but one than sees these in terms of common sense.

Maybe, the grandfather felt guilty for not paying more attention to his grandchild and her friends when she was at the pool and took this out on the man who did something rather stupid given the fear of child molestation and the like.

My assumptions are posted on what the cops actually did. I have more faith in their professional objectivity than some. I assume they talked to the witnesses and got a feel for what and when these events occurred and made no charges of a sexual deviance nature against the man who feared for his reputation and other things.

[outlaw]

Kids have taken over the family and priority pools. They're too noisy, always screaming and shouting, and the parents/grandparents think it's cute because it's their kids. If you want kids around all the time, why did you move to a 55+ development? Take your grandkids to Disneyworld, Seaworld, Universal, wherever. TV is turning into a vacation destination for grandkids because it is cheap to come here and use all the amenities, drive granddad's golf cart (cheaper than a E-ticket) and camp out at the pool all day for free. How would people like it if resident dogs were allowed at the family pools? Or Victoria Secret models were allowed? I didn't think so.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Kids have taken over the family and priority pools. They're too noisy, always screaming and shouting, and the parents/grandparents think it's cute because it's their kids. If you want kids around all the time, why did you move to a 55+ development? Take your grandkids to Disneyworld, Seaworld, Universal, wherever. TV is turning into a vacation destination for grandkids because it is cheap to come here and use all the amenities, drive granddad's golf cart (cheaper than a E-ticket) and camp out at the pool all day for free. How would people like it if resident dogs were allowed at the family pools? Or Victoria Secret models were allowed? I didn't think so.

I don't get it. The reason for family pools is that grandkids DO visit. Who would move in to a 55+ community and not be able to have grandkids visit?
There are plenty of adult only pools, rarely are they overcrowded. Look at it this way---the family pools are an additional amenity for those who have visiting grandkids, the adult pools are "the norm". The priority pools may be a different matter, but how many people pay for priority membership just to get pools access? I imagine 99.9% do it for the golf. And if you did just get pool membership, you knew in advance it was a family pool. For those who want complete seclusion, put a pool on your lanai for about 100K (not serious)

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Thanks for pitching in with your view. It does sound to me that the grandfather was probably the hothead in this situation and the chatter got very mad when the grandfather started to imply that he had very despicable intentions towards the kids. The man then panicked from the implications of what might be in store for him.

I do not see this as a liberal (bleeding heart) interpretation of these facts but one than sees these in terms of common sense.

Maybe, the grandfather felt guilty for not paying more attention to his grandchild and her friends when she was at the pool and took this out on the man who did something rather stupid given the fear of child molestation and the like.

My assumptions are posted on what the cops actually did. I have more faith in their professional objectivity than some. I assume they talked to the witnesses and got a feel for what and when these events occurred and made no charges of a sexual deviance nature against the man who feared for his reputation and other things.

I must have read a different article than some of you. Please enlighten me as to where you might have come up with the grandfather being the fault in this issue? Where did it say that the grandfather had an anger management problem. We already know that the suspect had anger issues. Why do you feel that the grandfather acted out of guilt? Did you read somewhere in the article that the grandfather neglected his granddaughter? I agree with the first two sentences in the second paragraph regarding the police officers' actions, until you get to the point where you act like the the suspect "feared for his reputation and other things."

No wonder people fear interaction with others. No telling how they will react and how witnesses will interpret such actions.

Regardless, the thread starts out generalizing about the younger aged causing problems. That's too bad that someone feels that way. That's almost as bad as those that generalize about STD's running rampant in The Villages. Bad choice of words to begin the thread.

Whether or not the suspect was out of line with the children, it probably doesn't matter in relation to charges. He was charged with assault as a result of disorderly conduct at the pool. Escaping from the fray, for unknown reasons right now, he also took the victim's cell phone. He was charged with theft. Reading anything more into this without better, more detailed reporting is fantasy.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

I don't get it. The reason for family pools is that grandkids DO visit. Who would move in to a 55+ community and not be able to have grandkids visit?
There are plenty of adult only pools, rarely are they overcrowded. Look at it this way---the family pools are an additional amenity for those who have visiting grandkids, the adult pools are "the norm". The priority pools may be a different matter, but how many people pay for priority membership just to get pools access? I imagine 99.9% do it for the golf. And if you did just get pool membership, you knew in advance it was a family pool. For those who want complete seclusion, put a pool on your lanai for about 100K (not serious)

There are pools that you can do quite a lot in with respect to exercise and the like if you research when to go.

I have only been to the family pools when we have had nieces, nephews or other kids visiting. I would keep a close watch on them whenever we were there too.

[Sandtrap328]

The on-line article did not say which man threw the first punch. We do not know what Gramps said to the younger man nor in what tone it was said. We do not know if the girls were upset by what the man said in the pool. If Gramps had simply called nicely to his granddaughter that he would like her to come out of the pool, all this drama would not have happened.

Lots of unanswered questions because of a very poorly written article.