[HMLRHT1]

What does everyone think about it?

[JimJoe]

Socialism

[Lou Card]

I recently read the entire sermon on the mount and am convinced that Jesus would have said yes to the bill. But then again, I would give free health care to dogs and cats as well as children and the poor so who am I to say one way or the other.

Lou

[JimJoe]

Originally Posted by Lou Card

I recently read the entire sermon on the mount and am convinced that Jesus would have said yes to the bill. But then again, I would give free health care to dogs and cats as well as children and the poor so who am I to say one way or the other.

Lou

Health care is not FREE. Jesus never took anything from anyone by force or taxation and gave it to someone else. He encouraged charity, and so do I.

[billethkid]

and lowest priced and quality health care you will ever have.....WHILE IT LASTS.

In the near future:
you will have lessor access....has to be right? Adding 32,000,000 to an existing system!!!

you will have lessor coverage...there is no doubt right? If they are reducing Medicare by $500 billion, they are paying providers less, hence you will get less.
In addition more providers will no longer take Medicare/Medicaid.

your insurance premiums will go up or you will have to add more supplemental coverage...no doubt about it? Of course not. As access and providers becomes less, some of us will seek supplemental insurers to maintain the type coverage we have enjoyed.....UNTIL NOW!!!.

you will be lulled into a false notion that it is working....the ultimate joke in the bill. Some services will be front end loaded with no increased costs. The tax increases go into effect in late 2011 and will continue through 2014 and beyond as other new elements in the reforms wish list are enabled.

Today is the best you will ever have for the least cost!!!!!!!!!!!

btk

[2young]

The government already owns healthcare for more than half of the people,
including Medicare, military, and the Indian Health Service. Funny how most of the people who already HAVE SOCIALIZED health care are the ones
complaining the loudest about others and their needs! I got mine, screw the rest of you! If you hate SOCIALISM so much, please pay for your own insurance. (and while your at it, please send the government your SS checks!

[Lou Card]

Originally Posted by JimJoe

Health care is not FREE. Jesus never took anything from anyone by force or taxation and gave it to someone else. He encouraged charity, and so do I.

Well JimJoe, with 34 million Americans uninsured, I would say charity is not working very well so lets have everyone give a little more of themselves. I just can't see how helping the sick can be a loss of freedom. I am a 22 year military retired man and I understand and respect freedom. If I need to pay more taxes to help the sick and the poor of this country, then I gladly do so. I will sacrifice for my Family and to me every human on earth is part of my extended family. When I see people dying because of the lack of preventative medicine and proper health care, I don't feel any pride in knowing that I have great health care while millions of people have none. Some say "I worked hard for what I have". Does that mean that the maid that cleans up after you in your hotel room does not work hard or the cook in the diner where you eat your breakfast has an easy job. I don't care if you were born with the old silver spoon in your mouth or you were fortunate enough to make it big in the business world, to think you deserve more than the unfortunate ones among us is a selfish act of personal greed. For every lazy man sitting on the porch that I agree does not deserve free health care, there are many many more working poor that just can not afford health care no matter how many hours they put it at their no health care job. The same people that scream pro life say nay to prenatal health care for the uninsured and that alone accounts for thousands of deaths in the 7th, 8th and even 9th month of pregnancy. I am strongly against abortion, but I see abortion as an act of kindness when compared to a life of misery due to lack of early childcare that causes so much suffering to children. So if like me, you are Pro Life, then accept this health care bill as one more way of sustaining life at all ages from conception all the way to the very old.

Lou

[mfp509]

Well said Lou!

[BlueHeronFan]

I'd rather go with a few facts.

http://www.aim.org/briefing/myths-ab...ized-medicine/

[Pebbles]

Originally Posted by Lou Card

Well JimJoe, with 34 million Americans uninsured, I would say charity is not working very well so lets have everyone give a little more of themselves. I just can't see how helping the sick can be a loss of freedom. I am a 22 year military retired man and I understand and respect freedom. If I need to pay more taxes to help the sick and the poor of this country, then I gladly do so. I will sacrifice for my Family and to me every human on earth is part of my extended family. When I see people dying because of the lack of preventative medicine and proper health care, I don't feel any pride in knowing that I have great health care while millions of people have none. Some say "I worked hard for what I have". Does that mean that the maid that cleans up after you in your hotel room does not work hard or the cook in the diner where you eat your breakfast has an easy job. I don't care if you were born with the old silver spoon in your mouth or you were fortunate enough to make it big in the business world, to think you deserve more than the unfortunate ones among us is a selfish act of personal greed. For every lazy man sitting on the porch that I agree does not deserve free health care, there are many many more working poor that just can not afford health care no matter how many hours they put it at their no health care job. The same people that scream pro life say nay to prenatal health care for the uninsured and that alone accounts for thousands of deaths in the 7th, 8th and even 9th month of pregnancy. I am strongly against abortion, but I see abortion as an act of kindness when compared to a life of misery due to lack of early childcare that causes so much suffering to children. So if like me, you are Pro Life, then accept this health care bill as one more way of sustaining life at all ages from conception all the way to the very old.

Lou

Thank you for saying what I feel, but I couldn't express it as well as you have.

[OpusX1]

I have no doubt that I will be paying more and getting less. Any time the government messes with private enterprise it screws it up.

[salpal]

Thanks Lou Card, you said it best. The working poor are the backbone of this country and have suffered for too long.

[Lou Card]

Originally Posted by OpusX1

I have no doubt that I will be paying more and getting less. Any time the government messes with private enterprise it screws it up.

I think you may be correct; however, even if that is the case, I agree to pay more and get less if it helps relieve the suffering of those that cannot get access to health care at all.

Lou

[Rag Bagger]

LC I feel you are right on. To those that think there will be a sudden increase in taxes, you may be right BUT the truth is you are already payng for those uninsured right now. Sick people that don't have insurance in nearly all cases get treatment. No hospital or ER will or can turn them down. So how do you think that is paid for. It's not free. The answer is of course, everybody elses health care costs are higher to cover the uninsured.

I have a relative who is a hospital CEO his major complaint is that there are many that simply will nor buy insurance not because they cannot afford it but because they don't have to. They still go to the ER for health services. They have income but they will not be responsible. Dump the cable TV dump the big car payment or buy a more reasonable home but instead buy no insurance. Insurance isn't enjoyable you can't watch It you can't drive it around but everyone should be responsible to by insurance. As I see it, it could be very much like withholding taxes from a pay check.

Thinking back on history if we listened to all the critics we would't have Social Security for retirement, we would't have Medicare all this stuf would not exist and we would have retiries living in total poverty. That's us.

The hard part will be managing the entitelment aspect. It happens in the medicare plans today. The attitude is I am entitled to item X say four every year. I have a closet full of Xs but I am going to the medical center to get the next one due me eventhough I have 20xs I haven't used or needed.

I see that everyday right here in TV.

I guess my point is we are already paying for health care now' Let's try to get more people paying their own way buy managing the insurance aspect of health care.

[tony]

Please keep in mind what the original poster is asking.

Health Bill Passes
What does everyone think about it?

What does everyone thing about the bill is the question.

Thus far almost all have kept to that narrow question. I am removing partisan posts and assorted name-calling.
Only two so far have been dumped. They were well intended, but they started this thread onto a
political discussion, not what the original poster has intended.

Let's keep this on topic, please. If it gets political, we will move the thread to the Political section.

We would rather it stays here because it is a good general question on the bill that just passed.

There are a couple of very good threads going already over in Political. You can post your political
views there.