[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

So what are you are saying is that leaking water pipes and sewer lines can’t cause sinkholes? You sound like an employee for the Villages. That is certainly OK as everyone has a right to be on a forum. Maybe I am wrong, but it is strange why someone would feel the need to say it isn’t a sinkhole. Isn’t this thread called “Hillsborough Trail Sinkhole?”

Whatever…..

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Happydaz

So what are you are saying is that leaking water pipes and sewer lines can’t cause sinkholes? You sound like an employee for the Villages. That is certainly OK as everyone has a right to be on a forum. Maybe I am wrong, but it is strange why someone would feel the need to say it isn’t a sinkhole. Isn’t this thread called “Hillsborough Trail Sinkhole?”

Agree. What I cannot figure out is the logic.

Arguing that it is not a sinkhole is probably strictly accurate. For some reason, the Villages does not want this area to be perceived as prone to sinkholes. Sinkholes have a specific, natural cause. These aren’t caused by that so these are not sinkholes. The Villages does not have a sinkhole problem.

Instead, the Villages has a problem with infrastructure which was apparently built to minimum standards and is now failing resulting in depressions, empty retention ponds, and costly repairs. These aren’t naturally occurring sinkholes they are man made problems.

And somehow making that distinction is supposed to be much better for marketing!

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Agree. What I cannot figure out is the logic.

Arguing that it is not a sinkhole is probably strictly accurate. For some reason, the Villages does not want this area to be perceived as prone to sinkholes. Sinkholes have a specific, natural cause. These aren’t caused by that so these are not sinkholes. The Villages does not have a sinkhole problem.

Instead, the Villages has a problem with infrastructure which was apparently built to minimum standards and is now failing resulting in depressions, empty retention ponds, and costly repairs. These aren’t naturally occurring sinkholes they are man made problems.

And somehow making that distinction is supposed to be much better for marketing!

Exactly. Up north we had a sewer line break after 80 years of use. Apparently in sunny Florida they don’t last that long. 11 years for this line seems like a short time span to me.

[Bogie Shooter]

Not a Village employee……just a villager for 22 years listening to all these #$&@ sink hole experts calling depressions sinkholes.
Oh my god the sky is falling,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Normal

Exactly. Up north we had a sewer line break after 80 years of use. Apparently in sunny Florida they don’t last that long. 11 years for this line seems like a short time span to me.

Still don’t know that this was a break. Might have been, or might not be a line break but a washout resulting from rain water running along the outside of the manhole structure. Maybe we’ll hear more at the next PWAC or CDD10 meeting.

[kidnerkim]

It was amazing how people do not know how to use GPS to go around or maps. Rudely driving through an unfamiliar area, driving to fast and yelling at the poor workers who are trying to keep them safe. I watched them drive right into a cul de sac clearly marked not an outlet and then looking at us like we were trying to trick them. Thankfully it is open again!

[mraines]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Is it a sink hole or sewer line collapse?

Probably pipe collapse. I have never seen so many so called "sinkholes".

[ridge]

It is a sewer line collapse not technically a sink hole. Already street is open. Not sure about the repair. May have been a quick fix with a further repair later.

[Bilyclub]

Originally Posted by kidnerkim

It was amazing how people do not know how to use GPS to go around or maps. Rudely driving through an unfamiliar area, driving to fast and yelling at the poor workers who are trying to keep them safe. I watched them drive right into a cul de sac clearly marked not an outlet and then looking at us like we were trying to trick them. Thankfully it is open again!

If you were just passing thru and not familiar with the area you would not know that you had to go back to Anna Maria and then Pinellas to head West. They should have put a sign up at Anna Maria to save people the hassle. Old people get confused and irritable when lost.

[jabacon6669]

Be careful what you call it. There's a sinkhole, which is caused by a limestone formation under the ground and the state would send a team to test for such. A catastrophic land collapse has the similar effect. If on your property CLC is covered by your insurance, a sinkhole is not unless you have sinkhole coverage. Now it appears this hole was neither. It could be caused by a sewer pipe failure, a water pipe failure, or in this case from what I'm reading is a water drainage failure. So more than likely it's one of these, but very unlikely it's a sinkhole.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by jabacon6669

Be careful what you call it. There's a sinkhole, which is caused by a limestone formation under the ground and the state would send a team to test for such. A catastrophic land collapse has the similar effect. If on your property CLC is covered by your insurance, a sinkhole is not unless you have sinkhole coverage. Now it appears this hole was neither. It could be caused by a sewer pipe failure, a water pipe failure, or in this case from what I'm reading is a water drainage failure. So more than likely it's one of these, but very unlikely it's a sinkhole.

We just had major sewage line repairs in St. Catherine. It took about 4 weeks or so. I’m not complaining, but I think the roads and lines had only been in a max of 5 years.

Could it be the materials, or labor, or engineering? Maybe just poor planning?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by mraines

Probably pipe collapse. I have never seen so many so called "sinkholes".

I have not seen so many either... I also have never lived in Florida before. I bet there's a correlation.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I have not seen so many either... I also have never lived in Florida before. I bet there's a correlation.

Is there the possibility soil type would provide reinforcement around pipes? My thought is up north there is usually clay, rock and various dirts to blanket in-ground infrastructure. When something is put in the ground down here there is just sand? This could leave underground infrastructure less protected from ground level impacts and pressures?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by mraines

Probably pipe collapse. I have never seen so many so called "sinkholes".

I “probably” could have guessed.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Not a Village employee……just a villager for 22 years listening to all these #$&@ sink hole experts calling depressions sinkholes.
Oh my god the sky is falling,,,,,,,,,,,,

My bad as the OP.

Regardless of what you call it, all I wanted to know was how long Hillsborough was going to be closed at BV. And I never got an answer, LOL.