[44Ruger]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I find it extremely frightening. What next -- privately held corporations will once again be allowed to discriminate against homosexuals, people of color, women, etc.? Oh,wait, this ruling does allow a company to discriminate against women since birth control is not a male issue.

You are so spot on. What a slap in the face of women this decision applied. Once again, religion takes precedence over common decency and the LAW. Shame on the court. When decisions are split between liberal and conservative lines, that shows prejudicial bias from both sides.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by redwitch

I find it extremely frightening. What next -- privately held corporations will once again be allowed to discriminate against homosexuals, people of color, women, etc.? Oh,wait, this ruling does allow a company to discriminate against women since birth control is not a male issue.

It's interesting to note that with all the hullabaloo about Hobby Lobby not wanting to pay insurance for birth control for women,
they will pay for a man's Rx to take Viagra, Cialis, etc.

Somehow, I find that rather strange. Hmmmm . . .
If you'll excuse me for being graphic,
that means that it's okay for a man to put it in,
but women . . . well . . . okay ladies . . .
roll the dice and take your chances!

[BarryRX]

To,label Plan B and IUD's as abortifacients is bad science. I guess our daughters will have to consult their bosses instead of their doctors about birth control. This is part of the dissent from Justice Ginsburg.
"Would the exemption…extend to employers with religiously grounded objections to blood transfusions (Jehovah's Witnesses); antidepressants (Scientologists); medications derived from pigs, including anesthesia, intravenous fluids, and pills coated with gelatin (certain Muslims, Jews, and Hindus); and vaccinations[?]…Not much help there for the lower courts bound by today's decision."
"Approving some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation could be 'perceived as favoring one religion over another,' the very 'risk the [Constitution's] Establishment Clause was designed to preclude."
"The court, I fear, has ventured into a minefield."

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

It's interesting to note that with all the hullabaloo about Hobby Lobby not wanting to pay insurance for birth control for women,

they will pay for a man's Rx to take Viagra, Cialis, etc.

Somehow, I find that rather strange. Hmmmm . . .
If you'll excuse me for being graphic,
that means that it's okay for a man to put it in,
but women . . . well . . . okay ladies . . .
roll the dice and take your chances!

Just to be fair, I understood that NOT all Birth Control was at issue, only the ones that caused abortion. Like the morning after pills. I am a moderate, and a person who supports Rowe Wade, and believes in the separation of church and state. I think it is very possible for people to hold sincere beliefs on the subject of abortion and I understand them, even if I don't agree with them. I can see both sides.

Although I struggle with faith I would never condemn those with faith or without faith for sincerely held beliefs. I don't think a business would make an issue like this for Greed because the potential to lose business is very real when you take a stand like this. Who knows?

We look at this as we look at all other things, because of our life experiences and our education and our inate personalities. Which means our firmly held beliefs.

Vote on issues you CAN vote about. It feels like that isn't much anymore. It feels like the folks in Washington don't send many choices our way. I am concerned about checks and balances. Immigration will further change the vote. I feel powerless.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by BarryRX

To,label Plan B and IUD's as abortants is bad science. I guess our daughters will have to consult their bosses instead of their doctors about birth control. This is part of the dissent from Justice Ginsburg.
"Would the exemption…extend to employers with religiously grounded objections to blood transfusions (Jehovah's Witnesses); antidepressants (Scientologists); medications derived from pigs, including anesthesia, intravenous fluids, and pills coated with gelatin (certain Muslims, Jews, and Hindus); and vaccinations[?]…Not much help there for the lower courts bound by today's decision."
"Approving some religious claims while deeming others unworthy of accommodation could be 'perceived as favoring one religion over another,' the very 'risk the [Constitution's] Establishment Clause was designed to preclude."
"The court, I fear, has ventured into a minefield."

As our society grows more pluralistic , the issues of sectarian religion will become more and more vexing.

This decision is troubling to me as it is only a precursor to many more troubling issues that we will face. A mine field for sure.

The words of Jesus, " Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's and unto God, That which is God's"

[gomoho]

Please understand it is not all contraception that is being denied - that is a liberal lie being told to boost the "war on women" concept. The owners of Hobby Lobby believe life begins at conception; therefore, to take or use something that would cause that viable egg to be destroyed is against their religious beliefs. Why should these private owners have to pay for something they don't believe in? What about their rights to religious beliefs? They are not telling women how to live their lives - they still have the option to buy on the open market something that will terminate the pregnancy. And let's get down to personal responsibility - if you can't afford to get pregnant or pay for the morning after pill than use you brain and don't get in that position.

If you feel so strongly that your business should pay for this option for a woman than you should put your money and time and family life on the line and open a business next door and then those that want this coverage can come work for you. Stop already
with the whining and the "I'm entitled bs".

[44Ruger]

Originally Posted by Challenger

As our society grows more pluralistic , the issues of sectarian religion will become more and more vexing.

This decision is troubling to me as it is only a precursor to many more troubling issues that we will face. A mine field for sure.

The words of Jesus, " Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's and unto God, That which is God's"

Agree. Too many over zealous fanatics to allow one belief to dictate to all Americans.

[rubicon]

Corporations are organized to serve peoples needs utilizing people (employees) to execute such commerce. so to me corporations are people.

I had detected some real religious bias in some of the posts. and it is not surprising to find that those who believe abortion is right will not be pleased with the courts opinion.

I will skip over all of that and focus on two factors economics and freedoms.

I am very concerned that the government is using economics to continually shrink our freedoms. i am very concern that our government actually would have us believe they should be paying for someone's birth control or those blue pills that create the need for birth control. Medicare now says taxpayers will support transgender operations.

It has been reported that all of the major health carriers will be increasing premiums around 20%-25% for the 2015. Many retiree health plans have been dropped or employers have established a stipend type arrangement.
Employers shop benefits on a continuum and they are well aware of what is facing them and they do not want the burden.

Hint: an insurance policy can be made to cover anything. The catch is that an actuary is going to calculate the cost vis a vis the likelihood of a loss
So if folks want a health policy to cover everything fine but like the man said pay me now or pay me later.

In summary I am leary of Greeks bearing gifts. Clearly big government is destroying this country because every segment of its society has their hands out creating crony capitalism and serfs who serve their lord who is quickly regulating every aspect of your life. We need to break this addiction.

[Taltarzac725]

Supreme Court on Hobby Lobby: 5 Things You Should Know - Law and Daily Life

If you want to dig into the ramifications of this decision which only affects the Federal Government's response to these drugs not the States http://blogs.findlaw.com/california_...ifornians.html check out Findlaw's blogs as well as various Constitutional Law professor's diaries (blogs) and the like.

http://onward.justia.com/2014/06/30/...n-hobby-lobby/

This is a very interesting solution to this problem presented by Street Signs' Jake Novak -- http://www.cnbc.com/id/101807865#.

Of course, this all comes back to the free market. Back in 2001, Nobel Laureate economist Milton Friedman studied the health-care market and showed how the biggest problems with access and pricing were due to third parties getting involved in the process. Friedman determined that whether it was Medicare, Medicaid, private insurance companies or employers, anyone getting between the consumer and the treatment was likely to drive prices higher, reduce supply or both.

[Cedwards38]

I did see a curious post on the internet relative to this SCOTUS decision. The main points were:

(1) If your employer is a Jehovah's Witness, can they now refuse to provide insurance that will pay for blood transfusions due to religious convictions?

(2) If your employer is a Scientologist, can they refuse to provide insurance that will pay for doctor visits due to religious convictions?

My apologies in advance to all Jehovah's Witnesses and Scientologists as I know little about your religious beliefs.

[buggyone]

Do not forget about the ones who do not believe in vaccinations.

As Justice Ginsberg said, " this is entering a minefield" of what can be brought up.

Bad decision.

Well, we stopped going to Hobby Lobby over a year ago anyhow based on their lunatic fringe idealogy.

[graciegirl]

We may as well be out on the back porch talking to the dog. We aren't ever going to change anyone's mind on religion or politics but we are going to ruin someone's day.

The amount of days left on this earth is diminishing.

Good Morning everyone.

[shcisamax]

I muddled this for a couple days and this is what I came up with:

If HL were truly committed to its principles, they would opt for funds in their portfolio such as the Catholic Value Fund which screens for any conflicts rather than purchase pharmaceutical funds that manufacture life ending drugs. They would resist purchasing product from countries like China that not only supports but monetarily rewards abortion as population control. You can't have it both ways.

Churches are exempt but not outreach of churches or other church business activity which I think is wrong. We have separation of church and state and that should be respected in all aspects. If it is church activity, it should be exempt.

However, at the end of the day, HL is not in the business of religion and therefore should not be exempt.

[perrjojo]

Hobby Lobby is a family owned corporation. I have no stand on abortion but let's look at it this way. Hobby Lobby looses millions of dollars every year by being closed on Sunday. They are one of the few large corporate businesses that close on Sunday. They close on Sunday in order to stay stead fast to their religious principles. It seems they should also have the right to other things that they hold important to be true to their faith. They have also said they would close their business if forced to provide the drugs they oppose. I don't believe they are bluffing. This is just a very important issue to them.

[44Ruger]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

Hobby Lobby is a family owned corporation. I have no stand on abortion but let's look at it this way. Hobby Lobby looses millions of dollars every year by being closed on Sunday. They are one of the few large corporate businesses that close on Sunday. They close on Sunday in order to stay stead fast to their religious principles. It seems they should also have the right to other things that they hold important to be true to their faith. They have also said they would close their business if forced to provide the drugs they oppose. I don't believe they are bluffing. This is just a very important issue to them.

When looked at in that way, you make a perfect excuse. I still feel we are looking at discrimination and that is a bad thing. Should they be allowed to require all new employees to convert to their specific beliefs to obtain employment.