[rubicon]

Originally Posted by redwitch

The freedoms we have lost and given up truly frighten me. We've given up free speech and privacy for security. We are willing to waive the right to be protected from search and seizure and even a right to a fair trial so that we're safe from terrorists. We're encouraged to report friends and neighbors. The separation of church and state is seriously dwindling. Roe v. Wade is almost out of the door. Even Miranda has been diluted. It seems like individual freedoms are going by the wayside for the "greater good."

And I'm on the verge of getting seriously political, so I guess better get my fingers off the keyboard and go do something constructive.

redwitch: the problem is not that we are getting too political its that folks are so divided that they don't seek understanding they seek agreement only. We have become so divided that we can tell a person's politics by asking which news station do you view and /or which corporation/business do you hold in disfavor.

[44Ruger]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

I understand your logic but if they did not buy products from China they would have nothing to sell. Look at the labels on your clothes and everything else in your home. What percentage is made in the USA? I try to buy American made but is almost impossible.

So it's OK to support abortion if you can make a profit, but not just to allow your fellow Americans freedom of choice. This is nothing more than forced religious prejudice.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by rubicon

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redwitch: the problem is not that we are getting too political its that folks are so divided that they don't seek understanding they seek agreement only. We have become so divided that we can tell a person's politics by asking which news station do you view and /or which corporation/business do you hold in disfavor.

I like the way you note the difference between understanding and agreement. We do not all need to agree, we just need to at least try to understand.

[44Ruger]

Originally Posted by rubicon

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redwitch: the problem is not that we are getting too political its that folks are so divided that they don't seek understanding they seek agreement only. We have become so divided that we can tell a person's politics by asking which news station do you view and /or which corporation/business do you hold in disfavor.

I am a FOX follower, but on contraception, I say it is only between the woman and her God.

[Tennisnut]

I assume that a Catholic owned "corporation" could advance this to the Supreme Court and reduce the methods of birth control to one. Then they would only support health care that would provide the "rhythm method" of birth control. The slippery slope continues!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by rubicon

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redwitch: the problem is not that we are getting too political its that folks are so divided that they don't seek understanding they seek agreement only. We have become so divided that we can tell a person's politics by asking which news station do you view and /or which corporation/business do you hold in disfavor.

I try to look at a variety of news channels (CNN, FOX News, MSNBC, BBC, etc) before making a decision and my voting record is all over the board.

We do need to start deciding things for ourselves rather than listening to what the media feeds us. And the Internet is a great tool for that.

And, despite whatever the Supreme Court of the US might say about some issue there are always various other checks and balances.

The Supreme Court itself just recently made a ruling in favor of our right of privacy with respect to stuff on our cell phones. Many people I am acquainted with use their cell phones to do research on many topics.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by rubicon

Everyone keeps talking about freedoms but what Hobby Lobby is about is not FREEDOMS but ENTITLEMENTS.

The government can mandate for you to secure birth control courtesy of your insurance policy which an employer is paying for and subsidized by tax payers
So isn't it a short hop to enforcing women to giving birth to only one baby or forcing a woman to abort a pregnancy government feels might result in a not so perfect human being in order to control insurance costs and cut down on over use of medical facilties.

From a personal point of view our government is way out of line and as did communist with Eastern Europe this government will take away our freedoms one slice at a time and its causing me great concern for succeeding generations of Americans

There is absolutely nothing that states a woman is mandated to secure birth control from any source. If she does not want birth control, no one is forcing her to use it.

No, it is not a short step to require only one child or to force abortions. That makes no sense whatsoever.

There are no "freedoms" being taken away one slice at a time.

There are freedoms being formed similar to the civil rights freedoms of the 1960's that show courage.

[44Ruger]

Originally Posted by buggyone

There is absolutely nothing that states a woman is mandated to secure birth control from any source. If she does not want birth control, no one is forcing her to use it.

No, it is not a short step to require only one child or to force abortions. That makes no sense whatsoever.

There are no "freedoms" being taken away one slice at a time.

There are freedoms being formed similar to the civil rights freedoms of the 1960's that show courage.

Hummmm. I like way you talk paleface. It's not taking away the freedom from the owner of Hobby Lobby. It's allowing him to take away the rights of hundreds of women.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by 44Ruger

So it's OK to support abortion if you can make a profit, but not just to allow your fellow Americans freedom of choice. This is nothing more than forced religious prejudice.

You know that's not what I said at all. Made in America is a whole new thread.

[perrjojo]

Originally Posted by 44Ruger

Hummmm. I like way you talk paleface. It's not taking away the freedom from the owner of Hobby Lobby. It's allowing him to take away the rights of hundreds of women.

A woman is still free to use whatever contraception she chooses. She just has to pay for it. She is also free to NOT work at a business that will not provide the birth control drug she desires.

[biker1]

As has been already noted, the ruling only affects 4 abortion causing forms of birth control, out of 20. I suspect that the vast majority of people whining about the Hobby Lobby decision don't know the facts of the case or the law that the ruling was based on and almost certainly didn't read the decision but based their opinion on biased and disingenuous "news" reporting. What most people fail to realize is that Obamacare, by mandating that insurance companies provide birth control, has almost certainly increased the price for birth control and therefor the insurance premiums that we pay either directly or indirectly through taxes to cover subsides. This is what happens when the gov gets involved in anything. A case in point is college tuition: the gov being involved in student loans has directly resulted in tuition prices rising much faster than the rate of inflation over the past 30 years. It used to be that "health insurance" was designed to cover serious, and therefore expensive, illnesses. I never thought of pregnancy as a disease. Welcome to the entitlement era where the gov mandates, controls, and forces us to pay for whatever the bureaucrats think people should be receiving and anyone who disagrees is called names.

Originally Posted by Bonanza

Just wondering what the public-at-large (here in TV, of course)
thinks about the Supreme Court's decision
that says it's okay for Hobby Lobby to
not cover insurance for any type of birth control
for women in their employ.

Your thoughts, please.

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[gomoho]

Originally Posted by 44Ruger

So it's OK to support abortion if you can make a profit, but not just to allow your fellow Americans freedom of choice. This is nothing more than forced religious prejudice.

No one's freedom of choice is being taken away - they can do what the hell they want to do at their own expense. Why is this such a difficult concept to get. And what about the owners of Hobby Lobby's choice to freedom of religion. You don't seem to have a problem denying them their right to practice as they choose.

[buggyone]

[QUOTE=biker1;902640]As has been already noted, the ruling only affects 4 abortion causing forms of birth control, out of 20. I suspect that the vast majority of people whining about the Hobby Lobby decision don't know the facts of the case or the law that the ruling was based on and almost certainly didn't read the decision but based their opinion on biased and disingenuous "news" reporting."

Negatory, good buddy(as we used to say on the CB radio). The Supreme Court has told all lower courts to re-hear all cases regarding all forms of birth control. This is the minefield that Justice Ginsberg was referring to in her dissent. It very well might push into other healthcare issues such as transfusions, vaccines, mental health, or preventive medicine.

[buggyone]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

A woman is still free to use whatever contraception she chooses. She just has to pay for it. She is also free to NOT work at a business that will not provide the birth control drug she desires.

I wonder if Hobby Lobby would give paid sick leave to an employee if she needed some extra recovery days after having an abortion that she paid for?

[44Ruger]

[quote=buggyone;902650]

Originally Posted by biker1

As has been already noted, the ruling only affects 4 abortion causing forms of birth control, out of 20. I suspect that the vast majority of people whining about the Hobby Lobby decision don't know the facts of the case or the law that the ruling was based on and almost certainly didn't read the decision but based their opinion on biased and disingenuous "news" reporting."

Negatory, good buddy(as we used to say on the CB radio). The Supreme Court has told all lower courts to re-hear all cases regarding all forms of birth control. This is the minefield that Justice Ginsberg was referring to in her dissent. It very well might push into other healthcare issues such as transfusions, vaccines, mental health, or preventive medicine.

Yes, why is this so. Hard to understand. I am center neutral on all issues. This one is slanted to far to the right of center for me. I lean right, but not when it comes to discrimination against women. I love my wife too much to tell her what she can or cannot do.