[buggyone]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

Would there be no predjudice in forcing Hobby Lobby to go against their religious beliefs?

As a family, the Green family can do whatever they want. However, as a for profit corporation, they should have to adhere to the law of the land. A narrow decision of the Supreme Court ruled in their favor. Let us hope that it does not get further interpreted to include vaccinations, blood transfusions, mental health treatment, or preventive wellness based on the same beliefs that were in this bad decision.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by nitakk

Bonanza, bravo! I have always been offended that a man has any say in what I do with my body, including abortion. It is my decision, not a corporation's or even the Supreme Court. My generation fought too hard for the rights my daughter and granddaughter enjoy to let us slide back. This has all come about because of the members of the Supreme Court and women would be wise to consider this in presidential elections. In my opinion, men should have absolutely no say in my reproductive rights. It is ironic that conservatives are forever talking about individual rights but hide behind religion like a shield.

nitakk -
What individual rights do you perceive yourself, your daughter and grandaughter losing because of the H.L. decision?

Do you really think that defending the Constitutional right of the First Amendment re freedom of religion is tantamount to "hiding behind religion like a shield."?

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by buggyone

As a family, the Green family can do whatever they want. However, as a for profit corporation, they should have to adhere to the law of the land. A narrow decision of the Supreme Court ruled in their favor. Let us hope that it does not get further interpreted to include vaccinations, blood transfusions, mental health treatment, or preventive wellness based on the same beliefs that were in this bad decision.

LOL! buggy - You just are not gonna be happy 'til some Supreme Court rules that some for profit corp does not hafta include coverage for 'vaccinations, blood transfusions, mental health treatment, or preventive wellness', are ya? Please son't hold your breath waitin' for that - we want to keep you around here!

[biker1]

It is a pretty long jump from excluding 4 out of 16 forms of birth control because they induce abortions to excluding vaccinations, blood transfusions, etc. Irrational fear mongering is a really shameful practice.

Originally Posted by buggyone

As a family, the Green family can do whatever they want. However, as a for profit corporation, they should have to adhere to the law of the land. A narrow decision of the Supreme Court ruled in their favor. Let us hope that it does not get further interpreted to include vaccinations, blood transfusions, mental health treatment, or preventive wellness based on the same beliefs that were in this bad decision.

[44Ruger]

Originally Posted by gomoho

What facts do you have this is the case.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonanza


What I do see is a conflict within church and state and clearly, 5 religious men's personal viewpoint which colored their opinion. That is about as obvious as the nose on your face.

[perrjojo]

The court was split 5/4.... Just as the posters on this thread are split. That means we all see things from a different view point. Also the opinions given were NOT religious preferences. The opinions were based on the judges interpretation of the law.

[Bonanza]

[quote=gomoho;903317]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

[B]IMEN agreed with Hobby Lobby. These 5 Supreme Court MEN also happen to be CATHOLIC. Hmmmmm . . . Interesting, no???

Let's not lose sight of the fact that the ruling is solely based on opinion. The decision was not unanimous; they did not all agree. So it's the Catholic men who made the decision. I guess you don't see anything wrong with that picture.

As a Catholic I am personally offended that you think because someone is Catholic that can't interpret the law correctly.

You should not be offended but rather, should see the situation as it is.

Regardless of what religion a person is, they have been indoctrinated into that religion. Then take the fact that these people are older. They have lived that religion with that upbringing for more than half a century. Go a step farther. They are men. Do most men really care about health care for women, let alone birth control measures? NO!

So in this specific situation you have the 5 men -- professed Catholics. They all voted the same way without deviation. And there you have it in a nutshell without expanding into multi-paragraphs. Again -- no offense meant,

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by 44Ruger

Voting by faith instead of voting by law of the land is like the Muslims do. We must fight against religious prejudice.

It's very sad that there will always be religious prejudice.
It has existed as long as religion has been around and
the world will never see the end to it.

The real fact of life is that religion has caused more problems
in this world than anything else.

[44Ruger]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

It's very sad that there will always be religious prejudice.
It has existed as long as religion has been around and
the world will never see the end to it.

The real fact of life is that religion has caused more problems
in this world than anything else.

Also sad is the fact that even though our founding fathers pointed out so clearly that there must be a separation of church and state, it does not stay separate. Our laws and the constitution would be better protected with atheist Supreme Court judges. That would bring more honest decisions with less religious bias.

[graciegirl]

[QUOTE=Bonanza;903472][quote=gomoho;903317]

You should not be offended but rather, should see the situation as it is.

Regardless of what religion a person is, they They are men. Do most men really care about health care for women, let alone birth control measures? NO! UNQUOTE.

All the men close to me do. The man who I share my life with who helped raise our two daughters does. My uncles did. my father did. My brother does. My grandfather did. The men friends in our lives now do.

PLUS. The First Amendment of the Constitution PROTECTS our right to religious FREEDOM. Sometimes this thread feels like a lot of people are bent on changing that right. Not all Catholics think alike, nor all Jews, nor all Methodists, nor all atheists. There is the institutional church and then there Is the Catholic community, the Jewish community, the Methodist community. We all don't ALL think, act or believe "ex cathedra". And some of us believe only on several days of the week.

Don't forget why the Pilgrims came here.

[perrjojo]

[quote=graciegirl;903503][QUOTE=Bonanza;903472]

Originally Posted by gomoho

You should not be offended but rather, should see the situation as it is.

Regardless of what religion a person is, they They are men. Do most men really care about health care for women, let alone birth control measures? NO! UNQUOTE.

All the men close to me do. The man who I share my life with who helped raise our two daughters does. My uncles did. my father did. My brother does. My grandfather did. The men friends in our lives now do.

PLUS. The First Amendment of the Constitution PROTECTS our right to religious FREEDOM. Sometimes this thread feels like a lot of people are bent on changing that right.

Don't forget why the Pilgrims came here.

Gracie, I agree.

[44Ruger]

Let's allow sharia law to be consist and fair.

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by 44Ruger

Also sad is the fact that even though our founding fathers pointed out so clearly that there must be a separation of church and state, it does not stay separate. Our laws and the constitution would be better protected with atheist Supreme Court judges. That would bring more honest decisions with less religious bias.

They simply said that the government cannot create a law to establish a national religion for all its citizens requiring that they abide by it. They must be free to worship as they see fit or to not worship at all, if that is their choice.

Many times this "separation of church and state" is stated but seems to always be directed toward the wrong ones (individuals, schools, etc.), yet why are schools and churches used as polling places? Double standard?? Just askin...

[dillywho]

Gracie, I agree.

As have the men in my life.

[Tennisnut]

[quote=graciegirl;903503][QUOTE=Bonanza;903472]

Originally Posted by gomoho

You should not be offended but rather, should see the situation as it is.

Regardless of what religion a person is, they They are men. Do most men really care about health care for women, let alone birth control measures? NO! UNQUOTE.

All the men close to me do. The man who I share my life with who helped raise our two daughters does. My uncles did. my father did. My brother does. My grandfather did. The men friends in our lives now do.

PLUS. The First Amendment of the Constitution PROTECTS our right to religious FREEDOM. Sometimes this thread feels like a lot of people are bent on changing that right. Not all Catholics think alike, nor all Jews, nor all Methodists, nor all atheists. There is the institutional church and then there Is the Catholic community, the Jewish community, the Methodist community. We all don't ALL think, act or believe "ex cathedra". And some of us believe only on several days of the week.

Don't forget why the Pilgrims came here.

I agree also. The Pilgrims did not come here so someone's religious beliefs could be imposed on them. In this case, someones religious beliefs outweighed an existing law. Although, the detrimental effect of this ruling amounts to a few dollars a year to the affected parties. Besides the the few religious groups you mentioned, hundreds of others could use this to advance that slippery slope