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janieb 08-16-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyndiloowho (Post 727221)
I don't have any problem with dogs walking or pooping on my lawn so long as the owner picks up after them. It seems unrealistic to expect them to stay off the lawns but I understand now that it can be annoying to neighbors.

I agree, before reading this post, I thought that I WAS being a responsible dog owner because I picked up after my dog, it never never occurred to me that it would bother people and be considered rude, now I consider myself somewhat educated on this subject.

LndLocked 08-16-2013 10:36 AM

I always make sure my dog poops in a roundabout .... while riding a bike.

travelguy 08-16-2013 04:16 PM

Has anyone ever thought that it is so unfair to a dog to be cooped up in small yards, with minimal green-space, and be forced to poop/pee on command? Seems to me that larger dogs, used to physical activity, have no place here in the confinement of The Villages.
What kind of life does a larger dog have? Longer fur, heat, hot pavements, no place to run free....doesn't sound like it is a lot of fun.

CFrance 08-16-2013 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LndLocked (Post 727250)
I always make sure my dog poops in a roundabout .... while riding a bike.

... in the outside lane, going three-quarters of the way around.

CFrance 08-16-2013 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by travelguy (Post 727438)
Has anyone ever thought that it is so unfair to a dog to be cooped up in small yards, with minimal green-space, and be forced to poop/pee on command? Seems to me that larger dogs, used to physical activity, have no place here in the confinement of The Villages.
What kind of life does a larger dog have? Longer fur, heat, hot pavements, no place to run free....doesn't sound like it is a lot of fun.

It really depends on the breed. Some smaller dogs require more exercise than larger ones. For instance, a Jack Russel needs much more exercise than a golden. Some larger breeds require limited exercises. The Newfoundland, for example. Whereas Aussies are herders, and the need to run is in their genes.

When you see people walking their dogs, that is their exercise. Behavorists will tell you that letting a dog run around in a dog park is not as good as a 45-minute walk, from an exercise standpoint. Providing them with both is good, and we have both forms of exercise readily available here.

So I guess I respectfully disagree with you, travelguy. Our dog is thrilled with running free in a park. He's also slap-happy when I get out the leash and harness for our walk.

Barefoot 08-16-2013 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by travelguy (Post 727438)
Seems to me that larger dogs, used to physical activity, have no place here in the confinement of The Villages.
What kind of life does a larger dog have? Longer fur, heat, hot pavements, no place to run free....doesn't sound like it is a lot of fun.

Sorry, but I totally disagree. :rant-rave: And I wouldn't want owners of large dogs to get the idea they should abandon the plan of moving to The Villages. There is a ten-acre dog park on the outskirts of TV where dogs can romp and play off leash. It's huge and and costs us only $30 per month for two dogs. There are three smaller dog parks provided free within TV, which are golf-cart accessible.

There is the Springdale walking trail, for walking leashed dogs, as well as miles and miles of multi-modal trails with beautiful views. The Vilages is a very pet friendly community and most residents love dogs! Ruf Ruf Woof Woof!! :doggie::doggie:l

Microcodeboy 08-16-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sueandskip (Post 717420)
Why post here...This is a waste of your time and gets nothing solved...Next time walk out and have a talk with your neighbor and see if that works...

I did just that. She laughed at me and the rest of the conversation did not go very well. However, she does not walk her dogs on my lawn anymore. So, why did she give me such a hard time? I am only responding since I took look at this thread for the first time in weeks... No more.

bkcunningham1 08-16-2013 06:22 PM

If you see someone walking their dog near your lawn, step outside and yell, "Watch out for that nest of rattlesnakes on the edge of my lawn." Or, "If your dog gets sick, it might be the chemicals they've sprayed on our lawns to keep down on the poisonous spiders."

Barefoot 08-16-2013 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bkcunningham1 (Post 727515)
If you see someone walking their dog near your lawn, step outside and yell, "Watch out for that nest of rattlesnakes on the edge of my lawn."

:eclipsee_gold_cup: :a20:

Tweety Bird 08-16-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by davecz1 (Post 716759)
Our dog does all his business in his own yard. After that he gets his walk. Simple.

YUP! Pure and simple

RCM1210 08-24-2013 08:20 AM

Different question.. What do you do if its raining all day? Years ago I had two Labs, one Yellow, one Black and loved them. If it were raining when they needed to do their business, I'd open the door and yes they were hesitant about going out, but you know they did. After they did their business, they bolted back inside. I did invest in an invisible fence so I wouldn't have to bolt back inside!!

Since we moved to TV, we've not seen ONE dog owner walk their dog(s) in the rain. Not one!

So I'm in the camp of: davecz1
"Our dog does all his business in his own yard. After that he gets his walk. Simple".

Plus, I believe in the invisible fences and short leases for more control of our beloved pets.

Barefoot 08-24-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RCM1210 (Post 732246)

Plus, I believe in the invisible fences and short leases for more control of our beloved pets.

Me too, I believe in renting or leasing dogs, that way when they get bothersome, back they go! Just kidding, RCM. :mornincoffee:

When it's raining, we head out to the dog park with an umbrella. My little dog doesn't like getting wet, but he forgets that because he loves the dog park so much. And our big dog is too dippy to notice the rain.

CFrance 08-24-2013 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RCM1210 (Post 732246)
Different question.. What do you do if its raining all day? Years ago I had two Labs, one Yellow, one Black and loved them. If it were raining when they needed to do their business, I'd open the door and yes they were hesitant about going out, but you know they did. After they did their business, they bolted back inside. I did invest in an invisible fence so I wouldn't have to bolt back inside!!

Since we moved to TV, we've not seen ONE dog owner walk their dog(s) in the rain. Not one!

So I'm in the camp of: davecz1
"Our dog does all his business in his own yard. After that he gets his walk. Simple".

Plus, I believe in the invisible fences and short leases for more control of our beloved pets.

We amassed an army of golf umbrellas up north. I saved two good ones & brought them down with us. When it's raining, I take the dog out using the golf umbrella--to keep me dry. The heck with HIM!

However, I don't take him for a walk him in the rain, because we know from experience that his paws kick the dirty water up from the roadway onto his underside, turning it and his legs filthy dirty.

davecz1 08-24-2013 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RCM1210 (Post 732246)
Different question.. What do you do if its raining all day? Years ago I had two Labs, one Yellow, one Black and loved them. If it were raining when they needed to do their business, I'd open the door and yes they were hesitant about going out, but you know they did. After they did their business, they bolted back inside. I did invest in an invisible fence so I wouldn't have to bolt back inside!!

Since we moved to TV, we've not seen ONE dog owner walk their dog(s) in the rain. Not one!

So I'm in the camp of: davecz1
"Our dog does all his business in his own yard. After that he gets his walk. Simple".

Plus, I believe in the invisible fences and short leases for more control of our beloved pets.

Thanks! Dave

tommy steam 08-26-2013 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ilovetv (Post 716755)
Allowing the dog to go out fully extended on retractable leash onto somebody else's yard/property is called

TRESSPASSING. It's not public property!

The first thing that ought to go is the retractable leashes. There is at least one sad account here of an elderly lady in Spanish Springs, walking down the sidewalk, and a dog owner had the cord extended out quite far. The cord is so thin it's not visible and the lady tripped over it and had what could have been a brain and spinal injury but fortunately wasn't.

Also, they are a danger when walking in the streets of neighborhoods without sidewalks. If the dog bolts toward moving car wheels it's a disaster to try to get him pulled back to yourself in an instant.

I saw a guy with his retractable lead the other night, doing 2 inconsiderate things at Lake Sumter Landing, on the lakeside of the Sales Center. First he let the dog go up onto the grass/landscaping at the side doors of the sales center and it was doing its business there. As soon as the dog was done he let it go out about 15 feet from him on the retractable cord. He was on the inside of the sidewalk and the dog was on the outside, with the cord able to trip anyone who came around the corner. It was dusk and the cord was barely visible. I told him people have tripped over cords like that and the dog needs to be kept close to the owner.

He growled and had no intention of doing anything about it. Especially in a town square/downtown, the dog needs to be kept close regardless of what type of leash it's on. Not everybody wants an unknown dog coming up to them!

It will come. Someone will trip over one of these leashes and will get badly injured. The owner will be sued. It's just a matter of time.

notlongnow 08-26-2013 10:15 PM

I have now read this whole thread and I am not sure if this makes me more educated about dog poop or just a person with nothing better to do??
However a few things pop out for me.

First is there are far too many things in TV to do other than watching out of your windows to see if someones dog goes on your lawn.

Second is, did you really move to a community that has no fences, kissing Lanais, 10' apart, no sidewalks, 90+ degrees in the summer with only hot pavement to walk your dog on, with perfect grass everywhere (a favorite of dogs worldwide), a place to find new friends and live out the life you have always dreamed of, and all you can worry about is your neighbor, who could become your best friend ever, and their dog is trespassing on your lawn and could trip and fall and you could be sued, REALLY? If they are cleaning it up and it was just a dog and owner just out for a walk AND they cleaned it up, get over it! I am sure they are not try to do something to you personally.

Third is, I have been on this earth for 60 years, I know not that long, and I have never heard or known of anybody who has been sickened or ill from dog poop. All I can say is don't eat it just in case!

Fourth is, when I live there, I want to take my dog on a walk with Graciegirl and Patty55.
That would be a walk that I would remember forever, two wonderful souls

My post was edited and I don't even know what was changed? It looks the same to me but my post was not directed at the OP. I direct it at the subject of poop watch by anybody that puts that on their list of things that they need to worry about.
What ever was edited out by the Moderator was not intended as an attack and if it seemed that way, what ever it was, I apologize for it.
Everything else I still mean.
EB

gomoho 08-27-2013 10:05 AM

Nicely said EB, but those that hate dogs can't see the forest for the trees - unless a dog might be peeing on one!

Lovey2 08-28-2013 06:27 AM

A lady was half way up my driveway so her dog could go on my grass!! Luckily I wasn't dressed or I would have been outside telling her off. This whole poop issue is UNACCEPTABLE to me. I don't care if you pick it up, and as one dog owner said above, it only encourages other dogs to use you lawn, picked up or not. Get yourselves a cat, like I have, that does her business in private and in MY home. P.S. I am a BIG animal lover, and would love to have a menagarie...but trust me, I would no more stand with an animal "going" on the end of a leash while me either pretending not to notice, or looking on with love, than I would go on someones lawn myself. This is just rude and a little crass.

Lovey2 08-28-2013 07:06 AM

actually..."told her off" was a little hasty. I'm sure I would have just asked her nicely to not do it again...

keithwand 08-28-2013 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Denise Frayne (Post 734662)
A lady was half way up my driveway so her dog could go on my grass!! Luckily I wasn't dressed or I would have been outside telling her off. This whole poop issue is UNACCEPTABLE to me. I don't care if you pick it up, and as one dog owner said above, it only encourages other dogs to use you lawn, picked up or not. Get yourselves a cat, like I have, that does her business in private and in MY home. P.S. I am a BIG animal lover, and would love to have a menagarie...but trust me, I would no more stand with an animal "going" on the end of a leash while me either pretending not to notice, or looking on with love, than I would go on someones lawn myself. This is just rude and a little crass.

That is bold to come up your driveway. I would not be happy either.

shcisamax 08-28-2013 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by notlongnow (Post 733897)
I have now read this whole thread and I am not sure if this makes me more educated about dog poop or just a person with nothing better to do??
However a few things pop out for me.

First is there are far too many things in TV to do other than watching out of your windows to see if someones dog goes on your lawn.

Second is, did you really move to a community that has no fences, kissing Lanais, 10' apart, no sidewalks, 90+ degrees in the summer with only hot pavement to walk your dog on, with perfect grass everywhere (a favorite of dogs worldwide), a place to find new friends and live out the life you have always dreamed of, and all you can worry about is your neighbor, who could become your best friend ever, and their dog is trespassing on your lawn and could trip and fall and you could be sued, REALLY? If they are cleaning it up and it was just a dog and owner just out for a walk AND they cleaned it up, get over it! I am sure they are not try to do something to you personally.

Third is, I have been on this earth for 60 years, I know not that long, and I have never heard or known of anybody who has been sickened or ill from dog poop. All I can say is don't eat it just in case!

Fourth is, when I live there, I want to take my dog on a walk with Graciegirl and Patty55.
That would be a walk that I would remember forever, two wonderful souls

My post was edited and I don't even know what was changed? It looks the same to me but my post was not directed at the OP. I direct it at the subject of poop watch by anybody that puts that on their list of things that they need to worry about.
What ever was edited out by the Moderator was not intended as an attack and if it seemed that way, what ever it was, I apologize for it.
Everything else I still mean.
EB

:bigbow:

kittygilchrist 08-28-2013 07:54 AM

Charge!
 
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Originally Posted by Denise Frayne (Post 734662)
A lady was half way up my driveway so her dog could go on my grass!! Luckily I wasn't dressed or I would have been outside telling her off. This whole poop issue is UNACCEPTABLE to me. I don't care if you pick it up, and as one dog owner said above, it only encourages other dogs to use you lawn, picked up or not. Get yourselves a cat, like I have, that does her business in private and in MY home. P.S. I am a BIG animal lover, and would love to have a menagarie...but trust me, I would no more stand with an animal "going" on the end of a leash while me either pretending not to notice, or looking on with love, than I would go on someones lawn myself. This is just rude and a little crass.

I'm with you Denise. Thanks for making me think about it...I think I need to get a water cannon, practice my Cherokee war cry, and lose inhibition to charge out of the house naked.
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graciegirl 08-28-2013 07:59 AM

I have to admit it. I enjoy the poop threads. It brings out the best and worst in all of us.:popcorn:

Carry on.

Patty55 08-28-2013 08:12 AM

Halfway up the driveway would be what? Five feet? PUHLEASE....

Just for the record, I no longer walk my dogs, not because I care about lawns... don't care about mine or yours. I no longer do it because I care about the dogs. After hearing about the dried sludge fertilizer I don't want them exposed to E-coli, staph and strep. Instead I take them to the town squares and let them do their thing on the sidewalks.

RCM1210 08-28-2013 08:33 AM

I'm also in the camp of Denise Frayne. I'm still wondering where pet owners let or encourage their pets do their business when its pouring down rain! Pets will do their business on their own lawn if they have been trained to do so and/or have no choice . Then take them for a jog through the neighborhood. Trust me, they will jog along with you and be happy, if they are trained to do so.

Lovey2 08-28-2013 09:00 AM

hahaha!! You're right...we do have tiny driveways! My point simply was, she was not just walking her dog, she was letting him search for a toilet. Not MY lawn... PUHLEASE!

sobell 08-28-2013 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by nysnowbirds (Post 716639)
i love dogs. However, when i watched a neighbor walk her two dogs and stop at my lawn this morning while her dog did his business on my lawn, i was shocked. She was not at the edge but well off the street with the dogs on a long leash in the middle of my lawn and waited a while until the dog decided to do his business on my lawn. Yes, she picked it up and yes, one has limited control over such things. But this behavior was rude, inconsiderate and selfish. Why not walk the dogs on your lawn? Or since we are a developing village (hillsborough) with many acres of vacent land, why walk your dogs on your new neighbors lawns? It is just rude!

what's the problem? The poop was picked up! Apparently you don't have a dog , so you don't understand how important it is for them to get exercise as well as poop! Get over it and get a dog. Then you will understand & probably be a much happier person.

gomoho 08-28-2013 09:41 AM

Patty - see you at the square with my two big "poopers".

RedChariot 08-28-2013 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kittygilchrist (Post 716714)
:agree:
1. Your owning a dog does not mean you own the property rights of your neighbors, period, no excuses.
2. Your or your dog entering neighbor's yard to leave a deposit is a trespass violation with a fine up to $1000, whether picked up or just urine are immaterial.
3. Your picking up poop in the neighbor's yard subjects the neighbor to liability lawsuit if you slip and fall, etc.
4. Your walking your dog in neighbor's yards is not just rude, it's crude, self-centered and uncivilized.
5. You or your dog may be subjected to confrontation by the neighbor or the neighbor's dog, with ensuing legal action.

Solutions?
Walk to a common area, or transport the dog to a common area, or get an invisible fence. Or give the dog to someone who is responsible.
Doing the easiest thing on the neighbor's yard and rationalizing it away is using poor judgment splashed with self-pity.

thank you! Thank you!

Patty55 08-28-2013 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 734777)
Patty - see you at the square with my two big "poopers".

Okey Dokey, I have six, all dressed alike to confuse people. When they run around on their retractable leashes you'd swear there wasn't more than four, I think it's called Trompe L'oeil.

All I know, is I'm happy. Is everyone happy?

ilovetv 08-28-2013 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by sobell (Post 734769)
what's the problem? The poop was picked up! Apparently you don't have a dog , so you don't understand how important it is for them to get exercise as well as poop! Get over it and get a dog. Then you will understand & probably be a much happier person.

The problem is that it's not your (dog owner's) property!

What if a landscaper or construction worker walked up onto her front yard and took a dump there and picked it up, when there are open fields there in Hillsborough? It's a matter of respect for personal property!!

Nobody's "entitled" to use somebody else's property for ANYTHING!

Barefoot 08-28-2013 10:47 AM

I'd guess there might be one person in 5,000 who would find it acceptable to toilet their dog on someone's front lawn. And those few people probably aren't members of TOTV. Over 100 posts later, I'm astonished that people people persist in bashing all the dog owners who live in TV. :ohdear:
If someone trespasses on your property, ask them to stop. It's that simple.

keithwand 08-28-2013 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Patty55 (Post 734718)
Halfway up the driveway would be what? Five feet? PUHLEASE....

Just for the record, I no longer walk my dogs, not because I care about lawns... don't care about mine or yours. I no longer do it because I care about the dogs. After hearing about the dried sludge fertilizer I don't want them exposed to E-coli, staph and strep. Instead I take them to the town squares and let them do their thing on the sidewalks.

I was thinking more like midway up which is 15-20 feet for my driveway and that's not right.

ilovetv 08-28-2013 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 734824)
I'd guess there might be one person in 5,000 who would find it acceptable to toilet their dog on someone's front lawn. And those few people probably aren't members of TOTV. Over 100 posts later, I'm astonished that people people persist in bashing all the dog owners who live in TV. :ohdear:
If someone trespasses on your property, ask them to stop. It's that simple.

Ah....but this is where I disagree. There are numerous people right here in this thread who who mock and condemn and label as "dog haters" the homeowners who expect respect for their property.

Patty55 08-28-2013 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by keithwand (Post 734829)
I was thinking more like midway up which is 15-20 feet for my driveway and that's not right.

Whoa, you must live in THE HEIGHTS.

graciegirl 08-28-2013 11:13 AM

umm. I agree with all of you. I'd say MOST of the trillion dog owners in TV are nice and thoughtful and considerate and think of others. The rest are all from.................. fill in the blanks.

No one wants somebody acting like their lawn is someone elses to do with what they may.

I am one of possibly three homeowners in over 100K who have not had a dog poop on her lawn. (In the new house anyway) We had some neighbors who didn't give a rip in Hadley. When I called it to his attention, he picked it up with his BARE hands. sigh.

I love Patty's humor. I love Bare's kindness, sense of responsibility and love for her pets. I love people who say how they feel so others can take it to heart or ignore it completely.

But in the light of the fact we may be embarking on another war, I can't get too worked up about dog poop today.

Patty55 08-28-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ilovetv (Post 734831)
Ah....but this is where I disagree. There are numerous people right here in this thread who who mock and condemn and label as "dog haters" the homeowners who expect respect for their property.

For the record, I don't think they are "dog haters". I do think they are control freaks who try to control what they think they can. I also think a lot of people are chronic complainers who if it's not one thing it's another.

I think this topic really has little to do with dogs.

I think some people were made to feel very special by the sales office and their picking marathons and people who maybe never felt special in their lives came away thinking they are special. It's a rude awakening to find out that you aren't special, maybe never were and never will be.

I think that as long as the dog owners pick up after their dogs it's all good.

kittygilchrist 08-28-2013 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 734824)
I'd guess there might be one person in 5,000 who would find it acceptable to toilet their dog on someone's front lawn. And those few people probably aren't members of TOTV. Over 100 posts later, I'm astonished that people people persist in bashing all the dog owners who live in TV. :ohdear:
If someone trespasses on your property, ask them to stop. It's that simple.

Barefoot, I enjoy reading your posts and feel nice when I do...you know I'm a big dog owner too...
Where I live most everyone walks their dog on the neighbor's grass from one yard to the next and not in the street. They stop when the dog wants to stop on the lawn to let their dog do whatever it wants to do. They walk the dog on the lawns instead of across the street where the lots are not yet built.

One person pm'd me to say thanks for starting a previous poop thread. She said it had never occurred to her until she read the posts that people might object to her dog toileting in their yard.

TrudyM 08-28-2013 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ctuttle (Post 716686)
I used to have 3 dogs when I lived up north, now I have one. When we moved here, she would not use our CYV area to do her business. We took up the rock and put down grass thinking that would do the trick. Nope. We invited our neighbors dog to do his business in our yard thinking she would smell it and get the hint. Nope. What other option do we have besides walking her? The public grassy area by our house is all the way down our street so when she has to poop, I have to walk her all the way down there. What do I do when she goes onto someone else's lawn to do her business because she can't wait, except pick it up? At least I do that. She can't walk totally on the hot pavement so I have to give her a little lead on the leash so she can get into the grass or rock before her pads burn. I'm sorry if my dog goes on someone else's lawn, but I do pick it up.

Some dogs won't poop were they live. The one I had as a kid would climb a snow drift rather than poop anywhere near the house.

Lovey2 08-28-2013 12:32 PM

My first time on here for a discussion, and I think it's a riot, quite frankly...especially the bully with the psychiatry degree. I did learn several things tho...1) people love their pets to the exclusion of common sense..fact, I do! 2) if I don't agree with you, I am a control freak and have bigger issues than a simple opinion and 3) the sidewalks in the square are a good place to dump my used kitty litter, as opposed to my neighbor's yard I had been using. I'll be sure to get on here in another year or so to see if I can pick up anymore enlightening life lessons. Ciao!!


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