8:16 pm. Sept 1, I was just taking the trash out. a dog was 12 feet up on my lawn. the bad owner said, oh sorry, she likes to say hi to everybody and pulled the dog into the street.

I took out the second bag of trash. Bad owner was two doors down with her dog toileting 12 feet up into the neighbor's yard. Across the street from our houses are sand lots big enough to build 6 homes.

Dog and owner turned around the culdesac and I waited for them to come back to have a word with the owner. She diverted, taking the dog through the yards of models on the culdesac and went over to the next block, apparently to avoid me.

As they say...you can't fix stupid! Yes, I am a dog owner but would never let my dog that far up in a yard and would certainly try to keep them from relieving themself even just off the curb. Jessh!

A lot more of them will do it or similar acts than many can apparently accept as a reality. It happens all the time, see it most everyday. A lot of examples on here. Guy on the corner dumps his in the storm sewer daily and he knows better, doesn't use a bag, uses a scoop type thing with about a 3 foot handle so he doesn't have to touch it or bend down and then bangs it on the storm grate. Front of Peach Wave tonight, dog craps and owner wanders off with the dog leaving it all in the grass.

Since you know who this is, you need to call and file a complaint. It was happening in my friend's neighborhood, and it abruptly stopped. Somebody called it in. Even without proof, contact from the right people will usually let the offender know that he is being watched might stop the behavior.

No denying they exist, but your examples still don't constitute even a small fraction of the number of responsible pet owners in TV.

Every day, I see numerous nuisance dog owners intentionally toileting dogs in yards within a couple of blocks of my home. I haven't observed other neighborhoods, but it appears to the norm in this one.

Sounds like someone needs to organize a driveway party and get this straight; however, I wouldn't encourage the use of the empty lots 'cause once they get built on the dogs will want to continue to go to that location.
I live in Hadley and can tell you I have only seen one very, very old person doing this and we have lots of dogs in our immediate area.

I don't have a dog in this fight. But I can tell you with absolute certainty that the frequent posters on this forum who are dog owners are responsible dog owners and it hurts me for them to have to read criticisms so frequently from posters who are legitimately incensed....but.........

I may be wrong on this one, but I think a fair amount of people who bring this up repeatedly would be happier in a dog free zone...if such a place exists on this earth.

I think that people who do selfish, impulsive and lazy things and don't live within the rules of society until they are caught or shamed are gonna figure out a way to continue to not care where their dogs go, continue to run stop signs, continue to save chairs at the squares, continue to throw trash out of their carts and cars, continue to take first, and NOT show much caring or respect for other people.

It is a damn shame and the human condition which to me is becoming more prevalent outside the bubble because we who live here mostly belong to the ethical generations.

Is this Sunday? Is that a sermon? Where is Betty? I am gonna get it now.

Folks .... disrespectful behavior is not the norm in The Villages! It's just not! Most dog owners are very respectful of other residents' front lawns. Some of you, in your posts, are describing a few rude or self-absorbed people and trying to say it's the norm. Well, it's just not! I don't understand why people want to fixate on bad behavior of a few misguided people, life is not perfect, get over it.

Assuming only 20% of home owners in our dog-friendly community have one pet each, and I think that's a conservative estimate ... that's a lot of dogs. When the Developer made TV a dog-friendly community, he should have provided more dog parks. Well, that didn't happen. Most people toilet their dogs in their back yards or drive them to one of the three tiny dog parks provided by TV, or to the private dog park on CR 101.

With the number of dog owners that we have in TV, yes, there will be an occasional incident where someone is lazy and disrespectful. Just like people throwing cigar butts on golf courses or passing your golf cart and then slamming on the brakes. But it's NOT the norm.

I'm glad to know that, Barefoot. I'm in an area under construction. Perhaps folks are used to: nobody living in that house yet, and that's a model, and we used to go here when it was an empty lot.

Maybe when everything is built and somebody is home it will be different.
I am heartened to know you guys think this is not the norm in TV.

OP speaks up
 

Wow! What a great topic. Hope I got your blood movin faster...

Just thought a followup would be appropriate. First, I REALLY LOVE DOGS. I run in the mornings and for 30+ years have never passed the opportunity to rub a dogs head. Many of my friends are dogs.

The other day I realized one person who I spoke with was now walking his dog so there was no intrusion on anyone's lawn. Deciding I needed to man up here, I went outside and thanked him for being considerate. It works both ways. Anyone who really loves dogs would not want his/her dog to be invading on someone's property since the dog does not know any better.

Thanks for all the entertainment and what is likely to continue. For a non-participant in any social media except this, I am truly impressed. Look forward to meeting all of you and being full time in TV (October).

Thanks again!

No intrustion on anyone's lawn....
 

YES! Op says as a result of this thread:
one person who I spoke with was now walking his dog so there was no intrusion on anyone's lawn.
well done...

:BigApplause::BigApplause:

You rock, GG. And whoever Betty is, she better stay away.:swear:

So just how many would it take and how would anyone know how many there are that do the right thing and how many don't?

There are a lot of complaints on here about bad drivers also but they too are likely a small fraction of all the drivers but should we just accept them?

Statements without any facts are just opinions..The true numbers if ever known could be a real surprise to everyone..

If you truly believe that the number of bad pet owners even comes close to the number of good pet owners in TV, then I'm afraid we simply have no common ground for discussion.

you can rest assured the number who don't obey the rules on anything are less than 5%.....make it 10% for the sake of argument.

Like all other minority (not race....except sometimes) issues the only thing we hear about are the "bad" actors. As a result public communications are all too often extrapolated to make it sound as thought the bad actors are the prevalent norm......THEY ARE NOT!!

Most people (pick your own number) do the right thing. And most people are too polite to take the bad actors to task......and the bad actors know it....that is why the continue to get away with it.

I never lack for spirited activity. I happen to be one of those that if you do something wrong....and I see it.....I will call you on it.
My wife has said for years I am going to get us killed....not really. Bad actors for the most part are wusses.....for the most part.

btk

BTK, I applaud you and worry about you at the same time. Good for you, but take care, please.

The number isn't really important since no one really knows what it is anyway.

There are enough bad ones that it is easy to see them pretty much everyday usually more than once and I would say that's too many. I do handle the ones on my property.

If your mission is to eliminate bad drivers and disrespectful dog walkers, you may find it depressing to focus on a few negative and rare aspects of Village living. Instead, why not enjoy the many wonderful blessings that The Villages has to offer.

Barefoot - good point. There are some things I see in TV that bother me and I wish I could change, but I prefer to put them out of mind and enjoy all the good things being offered - my glass is half full. Thank you very much.

I grew up in NYC, the only place for most people to walk their dogs was on the pavement....it didn't hurt those dogs it wouldn't hurt yours. You CAN keep your dog on a shorter leash! I do applaud your other efforts to create a place for your dog to go.

Thanks so much for trying to clear everything up but I don't need the suggestions and none of my blessings for sure don't come from the Villages. Problems with dog owners happens to be the title of the thread in case you had forgotten. Being here full time might make a difference too.

Don't know where you live, but I don't see this happening once a month, much less once a day. Doggy things, that is. Bad drivers I see a few times a week.

Sometimes we see what we want to see......I would doubt a bad driver even notices other bad drivers..

That goes both ways.

Care to explain what goes both ways?

I was referring to your seeing bad behavior by dog owners and my not seeing the same rate of occurrence that you do. When we first got here two years ago, I saw more evidence of irresponsible dog-handling behavior than I do now. My observation--it has improved. Perhaps these relentless dog-poop threads (which I love, for some reason) are having a positive effect.

Bad drivers, I don't know... Even in the off-season, we see people executing the roundabouts incorrectly several times a week.

Thanks for the explanation. I do think dog owners are more tolerant of other dog owners and the things they do than non dog owners. I have had many, many, dogs and the last was a beautiful Sheltie but chose not to have one here. I know how attached you can get to them even to the point of overlooking most anything. However dog owners should realize that most people that don't have a dog see them as just animals or peeing and pooping machines looking for their lawn to relieve themselves.

And I totally agree with that, and if you could see all my dog-poop posts over the last year or so, you would see we're on the same page. There just is no reason to have your dog on someone else's property. The "my dog won't pee anywhere else" excuse just doesn't hold with me. They're all trainable, if you're committed to do the right thing.

I don't think bad drivers are trainable, though!!:cryin2:

update on a neighborhood with apparent license to pee and poop all over.
There are definitely responsible owners here who walk pups on the street and cross over to unbuilt lots before dog is allowed to choose a spot.
And there are apparently, call it enclaves, where bordering and extended neighbors mutually agree that dog pooping is Ok.

the problem is obvious: when your close neighbors all love having your pups go in their yards, that seems like a neighborhood norm.

I don't have the answer for a dog pooping in another yard now and then. We live in a gated community where nobody ever cared as long as it was promptly picked up. I have no problem with dogs going in my yard (if picked up) Believe me, we will make sure our dog doesn't poop in your yard when we move there. Honestly never thought about this really one way or another since our neighborhood has not made this an issue. Reading this post has made me AWARE. Thank you.

HOWEVER, I am surprised the DIAPER GENIE has not been discussed on this long thread. I do have the answer for those that don't want to bring the poop home because of the smell in the garage with the hot summers. The Diaper Genie will mask the odors and it is sanitary. We use biodegradable bags, too. I agree there is no reason to toss the bag behind bushes or drop down a sewer.

Maddie101-just googled Diaper Genie - never thought of that - will give it a try - thanks for the recommendation.

Maddie, I've learned that many of the people down the street seem to have an understanding that dogs can go in everybody's yards. Maybe you'll have neighbors like that. Personally, I'd prefer not to have people or dogs in my yard unless they're visiting me and Emma.
I go to great lengths, usually exporting the dog in the car or cart, to let her poop somewhere she's happy and I'm not on private property.
I'm happy to see that these dialogues give everybody a chance to know what each other is thinking.
Kitty

nysnowbirds, don't put up with that s__t! Stay in NY where animals never take a dump.

:highfive:

Fact - The villages will never be a dog friendly community - too many old farts with nothing to do but complain about everything they don't agree with or have control over.

Helpful solution for most - MOVE (hopefully out of state)

Most of us old um...folks like dogs a LOT.

And we are in charge of running the world and complaining.....because we are older and smarter. Didn't you KNOW THAT??????? ;)

Intolerance of intolerance mystifies me.

Greetings from NYC, where we just passed a Weimeraner taking a big dump on the sidewalk, with nobody going tsk, tsk, and owner standing by with poop bag.

eww.