I suspect that they charge when they think they can, and no doubt that will apply to the indoor pool, too.

Personally, I much prefer to swim in an outdoor pool, and would favor their putting a sunshade over one of the older pools - Hacienda or Savannah - rather than building a fully-enclosed pool. Construction costs would be considerably less, and there wouldn't be the humidity problems mentioned in an earlier post. There are probably more "older" residents north of 466 who would benefit from being able to be out of the sun while using a pool.

I am surprised that Bogie Shooter hasn't said what he always says.

l. Patience Grasshopper

2. Why don't we wait until this happens before we get all upset? (Or something like it)

Bogie, Please edit.

Only 40% +/- of residents play golf, and then not all of them are active or even mildly active golfers.

I never see the non-golfers pouting, complaining and pontificating with their superior developer and venture capital management expertise...about how their amenity fees pay for the executive golf courses' management/maintenance costs, while another executive course is always coming and under construction....and they use none of the courses.

People did this same exposition of their superior management knowledge, regarding the developers building the Sharon Morse Performing Arts Center. But they would not see that the developers were building and operating it on the developers' investment capital, and the venue's own self-sustaining revenues, and it continues to do so.

Nobody here seems to know yet whether the indoor pool will be built with its own operational revenue streams. Regulation sized competitive length pools can be rented out by teams, socials, regional championship swim meets, etc.

I think it would be beneficial to villagers if the new indoor pool were to be used by the TV high school swim team and the VAST villagers' swim team for practices, which would free up the sport pools during those times that extend for months.

There's a lot that non-swimmers don't know about such facilities, just as non-golfers don't always know a lot about running golf courses, country clubs, tennis and polo facilities, etc.

I trust the developers to know what they're doing and will ask appropriate consultants about what they don't know.

Looks like the proposed indoor pool will be very crowded. No swimming, no pool walking and no noodles.

Amen to that, Bonny.


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BJ - per your post, I would place myself somewhere between the two positions you describe in your last sentence. I think most things should be free, and a small number should have a fee attached to their use. In reality, that's the way it is now isn't it.


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goodtimesintv: In all due respect I believe more than 40% of the people who live here play golf but I'll concede that point. However playing the executive courses is not free. either you pay an additional $141.00 per year plus whatever portion of the amenity fee is applied and unless your a glutton for punishment you need to pony up $8 per month for the tee time scheduling system.

In addition if one wants to play a championship they can buy a priority membership and get a reduced rate or pay the seasonal rate. One could equate the championship courses with indoor pools and the executive courses with rec center pools.

Personal Best Regards:

I question whether those of us who express a concern about how others want to spend our money as being complainers. Its a nice way to stop a discussion isn't it?... One can almost here in the distance the "shut up" I mean if your a complainer how can you possibly have a valid position.

The developer's Wellness Center had an indoor pool. When he announced he was selling it residents using the pool signed a position to stop him from selling the pool. One of the reasons given for selling the pool was that it was too expensive to maintain

so now we have residents demanding an indoor pool one that is expensive to maintain and one that is not going to meet demand or be in a location that suits everyone. and so those more liberal minded residents on this thread it is logical then to build another indoor pool and then another

The Villages of Lakes Sumter, Inc (TVLSI) ( developer) has a concept for this pool. Perhaps its completed but to us its still in the planning stage. I believe its the former

As one probably labeled a complainer I am going to go with my gut and it tells me TVLSI is raising a wet index finger to see which way the winds are blowing before proceeding. In the case I am right this complainer want TVLSI to know that I wish them well and a profitable venture but I don't want to use their indoor pool nor do I don't want to pay for its construction, maintaining and operating costs And TVLSI I'll bet further that your focus groups also told you that charging for membership is the best way to separate those who really want/need an indoor pool and willbe willing to pay your membership fees for it use

Actually, if you walk the courses and use the phone to schedule tee times, there is no additional money you would have to pay.

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Always love this old, oft-repeated argument.

I don't think a single golfer in TV, or people considering moving to TV, is unaware that somewhere in their various fees is payment for golf. Just as there is payment for all TV amenities...not a single one of which is used by everyone who pays for it.

But as long as I don't have to pay one additional cent to play executive golf over and above what I would have to pay if I never played golf, I will continue to call it free...fully aware of all costs I pay to live here.

...and some of us (who,me?) SHOULD have to pay extra for the executive courses considering how we chop them up!

Executive golf is free. Nobody HAS to drive a cart, and nobody has to buy an annual trail fee for $141 even if they do want to drive a cart. We can pay the trail fee as we go, for a "whopping" $3. SMH......

I'm all for a priority golf membership for both golf and the club pools to use with family and guests. That's why we buy that priority membership every year.

I also said right up front that I would be happy to pay a fee to use a regulation, competition length indoor pool.

A great reason to have one hasn't been mentioned yet: swimming after dark at 5-6pm once the time changes for the winter. Darkness early, after classes and teams occupy the sport pools all day till 3-4pm, seriously limits lap time overall, and especially lap time that's not in the peak sun exposure hours.

Well said! :thumbup:

Hi sweet bonny

With the exception of this very unusual warm summer I do walk the executive courses(my preference) and I do pay the $141 trail fee and do so without complaint. As to the phone system as I said in my previous post, unless your a glutton for punishment who would use such an arcane method for reserving a tee time Ugh

My reference to these cost was for illustrious purpose only to point out that people pay extra for things they desire to do such as playing the championship courses and /or executive courses priority memberships, etc, it wasn't an attack on paying these costs but I digress

I never used a swimming pool or rec center/activities contained therein but my wife does attend an exercise class at one of the rec centers. I understand what I signed on for and its fine with me. However in that same vein if we adapted every whim of a suggestion a resident advanced we would go broke.

I do not object to an indoor pool. I would object for being asked to pay for it . so let TVLSI build it and sell memberships to it. I'll never oppose that decision.

This thread should be viewed simply as a discussion, of competing voices on this issue and how residents view it. However we have a few that seem to react to differences of positions by calling those opposed complainers and I for one am sick of it because its an allegation given without much thought

“As they say in poker, ‘If you’ve been in the game 30 minutes and don’t know who the patsy is, you’re the patsy.'”

Warren E. Buffet, chairman of Berkshire Hathaway, in the company’s annual report.


Change the word "poker" to "TOTV" and the word "patsy" to "complainer" and the shoe still fits.

Now there is a quote I can love.

If they do build the pool, I hope they see sense and make it 25 metres. 25 yards is fine for recreation but if it were an internationally-accepted length maybe it could generate some income by holding "meets".

Or make it 50m and TV could put in a bid for the Olympics, with pickleball as a demonstration sport :-)

I love entrepreneurs! Way to go.


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You're not aware of the walking fee starting in October?

Actually, it will be just the opposite, if condo owners associations are an indicator of what will come. Special interests will continue to press the elected officials to add their pet amenity/project/activity/facility/service. Over time, the amenity fees will increase, user fees will increase, and special assessments will be more and more a part of the budget. A good example is the AAC responsible for spending the $40 million settlement. They are considering spending up to $3 million just for land for a new recreation center. I think that is where this new indoor pool is coming from. They are getting requests for platform tennis, golf course, lighted baseball fields and other amenities.

No, I didn't know that.

Yep, I'm only just discussing too. :thumbup:

Outlaw spot on to both the condo analogy and to the spending habits of AAC $40 million can go quickly

Could this be a record on a thread exceeding 100 posts in a couple days.......I think the Villages Health took weeks to get to 100.

I hope it's somewhere on the near me. Would love to have covered/indoor pool near by. Great for chilly winter days and not everyone wants to broil themselves!

We belong to lifetime fitness up north, with indoor and outdoor pools. They rent lanes to schools for extra income. Does become a problem for members at times. Our monthly fee is $110. For 24/7 364 days a year membership. It's worth it.

Polar bear : Your logic escapes me and indeed it may be my fault. My interpretation of what you advance is like saying a resident pays $15.99 for a dinner at Glenview and since s/he did not pay one cent more than what s/he thought should be paid then it was free. Conversely if s/he paid $16.00 it was one cent over and not free. I go to a store they are giving out free samples. I take one and the vendor says $20.00 please and I say but you said it was free. and the vendor says well its worth $40 so in a sense its free
to me that dog won't hunt

goodtimesintv. Paying a trail fee of $141 in addition to amenity fees does not make for free golf. I am not complaining about the $141 that's not the point it was used for illustrious purposes only. With the exception of these unusual warm summer days I walk and carry all the executive course and I do pay the $141 without hesitation as I did on Monday

I also welcome an indoor pool for those residents who have a want/need for one.

I also paid for priority ship the first six years I lived here but determined in my case it was a waste of money.

I also agree that a priority ship arrangement should be had for any indoor poll built just as they do for championship pools

Note I said indoor pool(s) because given the demand for size of pool, location, seat saving , time in pool, activity deemed priority etc TVLSI is going to need to build more than one pool. I mean look back on these pages at the controversy concerning outdoor pools...............ah vey:D

Indoor pool would be nice. Close by? Doubt that. During my winter water classes, two of the three instructors still offered classes if the temp was above 50F. Wet suit anyone?

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That's okay, Rubicon. There's very little everybody agrees on.

The dog hunts just fine for me...and I have a feeling for many others.

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If the air temp was 50F, I would prefer a dry suit, thank you very much.


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I even had one lady instructor at Mulberry that said she'd have class above 40F!

She obviously was giving you the cold shoulder. [emoji41]


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I went once when it was 47F and wore a short wet suit. It was hard to see the instructor! This winter we're trying Green Valley, AZ. I'll be sure to ask if the pool is heated. Then we spend a month in San Carlos, /MX..nice duplex on the sea for $1200 /month!

I assume you've decided against buying a home in The Villages?

No not really. Due to my wife's relatives we had to give up our TV rental. I really doubt we'll like the desert. In order to buy in TV we'd need to sell our lake home in west central Minnesota. Summers in Minnesota can't be beat. We almost bought a 2/2 in Quail Ridge but the owner jumped the price 40k due to the wonderful privacy and view of the Lopez 4th hole. Now with the development near the VA the wonderful view is gone..too bad

Chlorine gas is only issue I know of and venting would solve that easily

chlorine is a big drawback to the pools. I've been in some pools that don't use chlorine..much improved

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Not a good idea in a warm/hot weather environment in a retirement community, IMO.


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I think if you look at larger well known retirement communities like Sun City and Del Webb for example, they all seem to offer both indoor and outdoor pools. I really think The Villages missed the boat on this one initially, but offering and indoor pool At this point will bring us up to par with the competition. Whether or not you personally use it, there are plenty of people that will. . We have a high number of elite athletes that do triathlons or are on the Villages swim team that really need a pool with cooler temperatures in the warm months to do adequate training. I don't begrudge the money spent on softball fields even though I don't play. Or tennis, or the myriad of sports that are offered. The Villages prides itself on offering amenities for the active lifestyle, and an indoor pool is a natural extension of that philosophy.