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Warren Kiefer 03-09-2015 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1025734)
ANY 12 year old could log into this forum and read what you just posted which has your name on it.

Eight years ago when our grandchildren were teens they logged in to this forum to see just what The Villages were all about when we said we were moving here and read my posts.

Kids know a LOT about US. Yes they do. There is also an Urban Dictionary readily available on the net.
My question here is why do so many people using TOTV use a fake name. Do they do this so it will be possible to hide from their comment ? I personally cannot think of any other reason.

Cisco Kid 03-09-2015 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 1025832)
My question here is why do so many people using TOTV use a fake name. Do they do this so it will be possible to hide from their comment ? I personally cannot think of any other reason.
Groupies

PR1234 03-09-2015 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ureout (Post 1025356)
Gracie, I agree with you about informing our kids.....but things have changed as to what is politically correct.....I cant imagine anyone one in a business atmosphere with women employees having these pics hanging in their business......I would bet John Rohan wouldn't hang them in his office....for fear of a female employee complaining.....these pics are not what i would expect to see in a rec center in TV
I SO agree....these posters are waaay out of line and believe me I'm NO prude!!!

graciegirl 03-09-2015 09:39 AM
Kids must stay up late enough to see the commercials I do about painful intercourse and erectile dysfunction.

PR1234 03-09-2015 09:42 AM
....and I might ad, it has NOTHING to do with grandchildren. They are just plain and simply offensive to women. It IS 2015 folks!

Wandatime 03-09-2015 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 1025832)
My question here is why do so many people using TOTV use a fake name. Do they do this so it will be possible to hide from their comment ? I personally cannot think of any other reason.
It also could be fear of retribution. When I say fear of retribution I am not talking about an honest difference of opinion. I can cite hundreds of examples of people that used their real names on the internet and have been bullied, assaulted, raped and even murdered because a person could track them down through their name.

Wandatime 03-09-2015 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PR1234 (Post 1025856)
....and I might ad, it has NOTHING to do with grandchildren. They are just plain and simply offensive to women. It IS 2015 folks!
It is offensive to some women. I am not the least bit offended by them.

perrjojo 03-09-2015 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PR1234 (Post 1025856)
....and I might ad, it has NOTHING to do with grandchildren. They are just plain and simply offensive to women. It IS 2015 folks!
:BigApplause::agree:

spring_chicken 03-09-2015 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 1025832)
My question here is why do so many people using TOTV use a fake name. Do they do this so it will be possible to hide from their comment ? I personally cannot think of any other reason.
Anyone with a decent amount of knowledge about the internet SHOULD prefer to remain anonymous. Here are a few excerpts from articles about internet anonymity:

"Anonymity is important to anyone who doesn't want every facet of their online life tied to a Google search of their name. It is important to anyone who is repulsed by the idea of an unrelenting data broker logging everything she has ever said, or shown interest in, in a permanent marketing profile."

"To suggest anonymity should be forbidden because of troll-noise is just as bad as suggesting a ban on protesting because the only demonstrators you have ever encountered are from the Westboro Baptist Church—the trolls of the picket world. People who say otherwise need to widen their experience and understanding of the online world. The online spaces we know and love would be doomed without anonymity, even if the security of that anonymity is far from absolute or impenetrable."

And let's not forget the ever present message board bullies. EVERY board has them, including this one. Personally, I don't care for them to have access to private details of my life.

graciegirl 03-09-2015 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Wandatime (Post 1025863)
It is offensive to some women. I am not the least bit offended by them.

I am not either. They are from another age and time. I am a redblooded American woman who is in a monogamous marriage to a red blooded man for 53 years,



I have always felt equal.

spring_chicken 03-09-2015 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1025870)
I am not either. They are from another age and time. I am a redblooded American woman who is in a monogamous marriage to a red blooded man for 53 years,

He may be offended, (I doubt it) but I am not.

I have always felt equal.
Well said. I think women are more degraded by throwing the victim card around than by some silly sign.

PR1234 03-09-2015 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1025873)
Well said. I think women are more degraded by throwing the victim card around than by some silly sign.
Does anyone not remember the struggle for equality by women in this country???

Walt. 03-09-2015 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by PR1234 (Post 1025877)
Does anyone not remember the struggle for equality by women in this country???
Yes... I remember them marching across the bridge at Selma. If I recall, their high heels kept getting caught in the grating...

mulligan 03-09-2015 10:40 AM
Maybe we could get an ACLU member to crawl out from under his/her rock and check in on this. There must be some fodder for federal legislation and a new enforcement agency.

Dynsol 03-09-2015 10:45 AM
Let the Purity police start!

Bonny 03-09-2015 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PR1234 (Post 1025877)
Does anyone not remember the struggle for equality by women in this country???
Are these the same women that go now around in 6 " stiletto heels, with dresses so short you can see their underwear, that is if they are wearing any. Breast implants and then wear tops that barely cover those 40 EEE.
I doubt that those retro pictures will affect women's equality today.

RedChariot 03-09-2015 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by LndLocked (Post 1025452)
Is the OP entitled to their opinion? ...... YES

Do I find them personally objectionable? ..... no

Do I find it personally objectionable that the OP was invited to "leave" by the 9th post of the thread for the heinous crime of expressing their opinion? ....... YES!!

Would I have the signs in question in my home .... no (just not my style)

Is their a MAJOR difference in what is acceptable to display in your own home and a public (and yes the Rec Center is a public) facility? ....... YES!!

Their are sooooooooo many on this board that rush in to defend anything that is in any way connected to TV and "The Developer", it is kinda amazing to me. "The Developer" did an excellent job of conceptualizing and executing a business plan. HOWEVER, "The Developer" and those in charge of the VCCDD, CCD are NOT omnipotent! They have, are and will make mistakes and errors in judgement.

Was the placement of these double entree signs a mistake or error in judgement? Considering that this Rec Center has been open for about 10 years or so, you would probably have to say that has not offended enough people to be a problem. However, if would have been my decision to hang them .... I would have said no. Given the location.
Excellent post. Agree with all issues you have pointed out. The Villages is a classy place. I believe the pictures are tastless and speak to a sexist bygone era that is no longer acceptable in a public place. They should be removed.

gratefulparrot 03-09-2015 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by RedChariot (Post 1025911)
Excellent post. Agree with all issues you have pointed out. The Villages is a classy place. I believe the pictures are tastless and speak to a sexist bygone era that is no longer acceptable in a public place. They should be removed.
And replace it with what? A Kim Kardashian picture or Miley Cyrus? Which are two acceptable in today's standards?

Chazz 03-09-2015 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1025810)
I love the whole pin up genre of art. It is a real kind of art from the era of the forties. It includes the artist Varga and also encompasses all of the the nose cone art from the second world war pilots airplanes. It was not demeaning to women unless you have that mind set. We were all young and better looking than we are now, and most of us have pictures of us snapped in our bathing suits.

I am offended by people offended by the fact that was included in the art hung on the wall of that rec center because it absolutely fit in with a fish camp pool room of that era's décor. I don't have stuff like that in my house because that is not the kind of décor I have, but it is part and parcel of the art of that era. Including the double entendres.

GOOD GRIEF. Do we have any body who is old enough to post on a senior forum. I was a small child in the forties and I saw this kind of pin up art as a child and I am still kicking. Nose cone art below. Disclaimer, don't open if you will be offended by what our pilots put on their airplanes back then.

nose cone art from the forties - Bing Images
Gracie,

I couldn't agree more with you!

Mleeja 03-09-2015 12:04 PM
Good grief, this is still going! I bet the OP is setting back laffing their "you kow what" off. Give it a rest people! I serious doubt if one mind has been changed!

perrjojo 03-09-2015 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PR1234 (Post 1025877)
Does anyone not remember the struggle for equality by women in this country???
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YES I DO! And once again :agree: I am not a prude nor a victim but I find those posters at the rec center inappropriate for the rec center. There is a time and place for everything.

rubicon 03-09-2015 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Wandatime (Post 1025693)
Kids are a LOT savvier than we think, and those pictures in that billiards room are not the problem. Any kid who sees those pictures and understand the double entendre' has probably already seen a lot worse.

What is the Average Age That a Teen Starts Sexting?

I'll risk a chance on a kid seeing those fishing pictures, especially when compared to the Bratz dolls five and six year old girls play with today. I'm attaching a picture of one. Frankly, I think these should be taken off the market, along with thong panties for pre-teen girls. Yes, those are available at all department stores. But those are MY boundaries. We all have different ones.

Our kids are already so overloaded on a daily basis with the likes of Miley, the Kardashians, and any "Housewives" franchise that I think a couple of retro girlie posters should be the least of a parent's worries.

However, for those of you that still think it is inappropriate, let me ask you this. How far are you willing to go? We can politically correct ourselves right into a society that accepts nothing less than the most conservative of ideology where no one talks about sex, no one drinks alcohol, women are seen fully clothed at all times when in public . . . oh, wait, some countries are already doing that.

Some of us dislike girlie posters and some of us dislike Bratz dolls and some of us dislike seeing older women in skimpy get-ups having a little too much to drink down there at the square. The good news is that we live in a country where we get to freely vocalize our likes and dislikes. Not everyone will agree with us and the change we seek may or may not happen.

I know a lot of you are not going to agree with my post. And that's okay.
wandatime: you approach it from a different angle but that is the point I have been trying to make all along. It seems each successive generation is becoming inordinately pre-occupied with sex. It seems nothing escapes people today that doesn't require comparisons to genitalia. Kids are not getting a chance to grow up and are being pushed into adulthood by some parents, and with plenty of assistance from Hollywood. Even animated features focus on the sexual aspect.

Kid ae getting the wrong message and have been for sometime its no wonder the diorce rates and single mother % aren't even higher.

So the plaques at Fish Hawk were only a trigger of this grime statistic for me and hence their display poor judgment in my view.. I could go on but to what avail


Personal Best Regards

sunnyatlast 03-09-2015 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by PR1234 (Post 1025877)
Does anyone not remember the struggle for equality by women in this country???
Yes, but they are not around to protest abuse of women, for example, in a Hollywood movie in which a young woman is stalked, handcuffed, tied to the bedposts, hit on the abdomen with a riding crop and flog, etc.

They're also not around to protest the kidnapping and sex slavery of young girls by Boko Haram.

onslowe 03-09-2015 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1025959)
Good grief, this is still going! I bet the OP is setting back laffing their "you kow what" off. Give it a rest people! I serious doubt if one mind has been changed!
I have to agree.

It's strange that not a single poster prior to the OP ever voiced complaints about these old ads. They weren't put up yesterday.

I despise the whole choking cloud of 'political correctness.' I believe the thin tail is wagging the big dog.

All these posts about political correctness immediately make me think about the Communist rule in Russia. It produces lies and 'codewords' and absolute distrust of one's fellow citizens. I think there's a very short distance between
statements deemed by the noisy ever so sensitive puritans to be "politically incorrect" and therefore "offensive" and prosecution for 'hate crime.' That is thought control, and doesn't belong in free or formerly free democracies.

We never needed a Russian invasion. Our homegrown puritans and speech and thought police have brought "1984" and "Animal Farm" and "Gulag Archipelago" to our rec centers. Thanks ever so much.

TheVillageChicken 03-09-2015 02:06 PM
Over 7000 views. I wonder how many viewers who have never been to Fish Hawk, will no go just to satisfy their need to be offended.

Madelaine Amee 03-09-2015 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by onslowe (Post 1025996)
I have to agree.

It's strange that not a single poster prior to the OP ever voiced complaints about these old ads. They weren't put up yesterday.

I despise the whole choking cloud of 'political correctness.' I believe the thin tail is wagging the big dog.

All these posts about political correctness immediately make me think about the Communist rule in Russia. It produces lies and 'codewords' and absolute distrust of one's fellow citizens. I think there's a very short distance between
statements deemed by the noisy ever so sensitive puritans to be "politically incorrect" and therefore "offensive" and prosecution for 'hate crime.' That is thought control, and doesn't belong in free or formerly free democracies.

We never needed a Russian invasion. Our homegrown puritans and speech and thought police have brought "1984" and "Animal Farm" and "Gulag Archipelago" to our rec centers. Thanks ever so much.
:mademyday::BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause:

gpirate 03-09-2015 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1025351)
My kids AND grandkids are used to honest and direct answers from me. We saw our two grandchildren every day of their lives until they left for college.

But I am a grandmother, not a papa. Sweetie wouldn't tell them where babies come from any sooner than he would fly. He may not KNOW.

IF MY ten year old would ask...what does that mean. I would say, When you are fly fishing you have to watch and keep your arm up and your rod up so your hook doesn't catch something or somebody.

And on the other one... I would say that in certain areas of the world bush is the heavy dense thick vegetation areas.


The plaques are funny because they has two meanings.

If they were older I would explain...the other meaning.

I can think of so many worse things I don't want them to see.
Great post Gracie and I would do the same. There is far worse things that come into view or are shown on you tube which all kids with any access to the internet have already found. My self I find the pictures with some humor and in this world we live in we need more of.

NavyNJ 03-09-2015 04:22 PM
More Nose Art (from current generation)
 
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Originally Posted by handyman:
Better keep the kids out of Eisenhower,just a warning,some pretty racy nose art that you may not want to explain to the kids .

Originally Posted by DonH57:
I've been in there a few times and I missed the nose art? I'll have to look closer next time. I love the nose art on aircraft. It had to be one of the best moral booster for our boys overseas during those times.

Don & Handy: Since you guys are afficonados of "nose art", I thought you might get a kick out of some "creative cammoflage" done by some Marines during the very early days in Afghanistan in 2001-2. These pics were taken at Bagram when it was still just barely a dirt strip in the middle of nowhere! Yes, the paint scheme eventually fell victim to....wait for it....no, not the Taliban....Washington, after some staffers came out to get their shoes dusty and pick up their T-shirts!! LoL!! Enjoy......


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