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Old 04-08-2025, 09:35 AM
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So this is a picture of my box in the garage that houses the internet connections. Two questions; the items circled in blue seem to be the old internet connections, can I just simply detach that box as it’s in the way. 2) the connection circled in red is supposed to be quantum fiber, is this a fiber connector or is it dsl?
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Old 04-08-2025, 09:58 AM
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Personally, I would leave them alone. The COAX cables are routed throughout the house to provide cable TV service to every room, not necessarily Internet. I think the Quantum Fiber is a fiber Internet system, not DSL. If you need more space to install something else, why not just add another box to the wall?
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Old 04-08-2025, 12:01 PM
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So this is a picture of my box in the garage that houses the internet connections. Two questions; the items circled in blue seem to be the old internet connections, can I just simply detach that box as it’s in the way. 2) the connection circled in red is supposed to be quantum fiber, is this a fiber connector or is it dsl?
From what I can tell from the picture, you have an older Quantum Fiber installation where the router was installed in a box outside your home. The connector block at the top is the old system to connect telephone to the rest of your home so yes, you can take it out and wire tie the blue ethernet cables. The black coax cables connected to that massive splitter can also be removed if you don't need cable TV to all the rooms in your home. If you have cable internet remember one of those cables is going to a room where the cable modem is located so you can't remove that coax cable.

BTW, what are you trying to do? Please PM me for any questions on this and I can call you to discuss.
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Old 04-08-2025, 12:41 PM
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The telephone and cable wiring systems throughout the house were most likely installed by the builder and are standard systems for all new houses. I would just leave them alone for a future owner to use, if they want. Anything new can be installed in a separate box. But some electricians seem to like to cram as much stuff as possible into an electrical box.
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Old 04-08-2025, 06:36 PM
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The telephone and cable wiring systems throughout the house were most likely installed by the builder and are standard systems for all new houses. I would just leave them alone for a future owner to use, if they want. Anything new can be installed in a separate box. But some electricians seem to like to cram as much stuff as possible into an electrical box.
You really don't need another Low Voltage Box (LVB) if it's organized correctly.

In some new builds I've found the LVB looking like attached image #1.

Mine is attached image #2

I organized a Villager's box in a new build in image #3

As long as it's organized correctly the LVB that comes with your house should be large enough to do whatever a homeowner wants to put in it and for the future. Remember, many are not using cable anymore so you can also gain a lot of space by pushin the coax up into the entry hole. I don't do that since you never know when the home is sold the new owners may want to use cable so i just tie it back to make room.

Until we know what this guy is trying to do it's pointless making suggestions, in my opinion.
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Old 04-09-2025, 04:53 AM
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You really don't need another Low Voltage Box (LVB) if it's organized correctly.

In some new builds I've found the LVB looking like attached image #1.

Mine is attached image #2

I organized a Villager's box in a new build in image #3

As long as it's organized correctly the LVB that comes with your house should be large enough to do whatever a homeowner wants to put in it and for the future. Remember, many are not using cable anymore so you can also gain a lot of space by pushin the coax up into the entry hole. I don't do that since you never know when the home is sold the new owners may want to use cable so i just tie it back to make room.

Until we know what this guy is trying to do it's pointless making suggestions, in my opinion.
I agree, but the OP's current box doesn't look all that bad to me. Apparently, he wants to remove the cable splitter (circled in blue), but 40 percent of households still use cable TV. If the house is wired for 8 to 10 cable outlets, but only 3 are needed, having a splitter allows the homeowner to make DIY changes without hiring an electrician. That is why I would not remove it.
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Old 04-09-2025, 08:27 AM
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I agree, but the OP's current box doesn't look all that bad to me. Apparently, he wants to remove the cable splitter (circled in blue), but 40 percent of households still use cable TV. If the house is wired for 8 to 10 cable outlets, but only 3 are needed, having a splitter allows the homeowner to make DIY changes without hiring an electrician. That is why I would not remove it.
Understood. So, another thing the OP can do is remove that large splitter and install a smaller splitter with only the number of ports needed and then tiewrap the rest of the coax so it can be used in the future. Say for example, he only has two TVs needing cable then he can get a 2-way splitter from Amazon and he's done. Typically, what I normally see with people with cable is they don't have cable boxes anymore. They have cable internet with needs one coax cable from the panel to feed the modem and router and they stream Xfinity or whatever on their TVs using Roku or some other device.

BTW, I forgot to mention, that Hunter box with the antenna can also be removed. Looks like the OP has a Rachio irrigation controller and that Hunter Box was left over from his old system. It was a box to turn on zones remotely and not needed with the Rachio.
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Old 04-09-2025, 12:28 PM
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Blue circle = CATV splitter (correctly identified by others). Unlikely you have 8 or 10 cable boxes. So that was put in to make every wall coax jack alive. So the CATV box can plug in anywhere. Technically, that is a bad thing to do because of signal loss, and all the unused wall jacks are likely not terminated. If you use cable TV, I would connect only the wall jacks that are used, to a splitter with no extra ports. That could also connect a cable tv based internet modem. Those boxes highly dislike being after a splitter with unterminated lines. That often causes mysterious drop outs and data speed issues.
So - if no CATV at all, that can be removed. If you have CATV boxes for tv, change splitter to just enough ports as the number of boxes. (and that should have been done properly by the cable company)
This is likely XFinity because there is an orange CATV wire along the left side coming downward. I think it enters the box out of view at the bottom, and loops at the top. Spectrum used orange coax.

Red circle = Fibre signal. The white wire from the bottom is the incoming data line. That kink in the wire at the bottom of the pic is not good; straighten it please. The blue wire connected to it goes to a wall jack somewhere in the house. The connector the white wire plugs into is junk. It will be ok for speeds up to maybe 100mbps. But for 300, or higher it will introduce garbage onto the data. The twists of each pair of wires need to be maintained all the way to the connector, and the blue insulation should not be removed that much. Very sloppy.

The green thing at the top is from the old days of wired telephones. You cannot get a wired phone line nowadays, so the entire green thing can come out. Carefully pull off the wires from it and tie them out of the way for the future.
The good thing is that the wall jacks were wired with these blue internet wires. Should have been rated as cat6 (or cat5e at the minimum) for 1G speed. If it is cat5, max speed is 100mbps (lousy); not designed to handle faster speeds.

Look at the writing on the blue wires. If you have cat5 wires, and are paying for much higher speed than 100mbps, you have some thinking to do. You will have odd dropouts. Stuttering. Speed degradation. Packet corruption (data loss). Watching IPTV could stutter. I would do one of these things.
A) Put the router in the garage and connect the white fibre line to it (with a coupler and cat6 cable as an extension). Every device will have to connect via wireless; but is totally immune from power surges.
B) Get a pair of MoCA adapters and run the ethernet through one of the coax lines into the house somewhere. (not thru the splitter)
C) Just buy slow (100mbps max) internet and save $$ but live with the lack of speed.

One thing to consider is adding a small UPS for the router. That will also act as a good surge protector. There are surge protectors for the ethernet line available. You want to block as much energy as possible, before it reaches your computers. The best thing would have been having the fiber come into the panel, and then the modem would be inside the panel. No surge is possible through fibre lines. As is now, hard to guess what things are like outside.

The hunter remote control shouldn't be connected anymore (except maybe a ground wire) and can be removed. You can probably sell it.
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Blue circle = CATV splitter (correctly identified by others). Unlikely you have 8 or 10 cable boxes. So that was put in to make every wall coax jack alive. So the CATV box can plug in anywhere. Technically, that is a bad thing to do because of signal loss, and all the unused wall jacks are likely not terminated. If you use cable TV, I would connect only the wall jacks that are used, to a splitter with no extra ports. That could also connect a cable tv based internet modem. Those boxes highly dislike being after a splitter with unterminated lines. That often causes mysterious drop outs and data speed issues.
So - if no CATV at all, that can be removed. If you have CATV boxes for tv, change splitter to just enough ports as the number of boxes. (and that should have been done properly by the cable company)
This is likely XFinity because there is an orange CATV wire along the left side coming downward. I think it enters the box out of view at the bottom, and loops at the top. Spectrum used orange coax.

Red circle = Fibre signal. The white wire from the bottom is the incoming data line. That kink in the wire at the bottom of the pic is not good; straighten it please. The blue wire connected to it goes to a wall jack somewhere in the house. The connector the white wire plugs into is junk. It will be ok for speeds up to maybe 100mbps. But for 300, or higher it will introduce garbage onto the data. The twists of each pair of wires need to be maintained all the way to the connector, and the blue insulation should not be removed that much. Very sloppy.

The green thing at the top is from the old days of wired telephones. You cannot get a wired phone line nowadays, so the entire green thing can come out. Carefully pull off the wires from it and tie them out of the way for the future.
The good thing is that the wall jacks were wired with these blue internet wires. Should have been rated as cat6 (or cat5e at the minimum) for 1G speed. If it is cat5, max speed is 100mbps (lousy); not designed to handle faster speeds.

Look at the writing on the blue wires. If you have cat5 wires, and are paying for much higher speed than 100mbps, you have some thinking to do. You will have odd dropouts. Stuttering. Speed degradation. Packet corruption (data loss). Watching IPTV could stutter. I would do one of these things.
A) Put the router in the garage and connect the white fibre line to it (with a coupler and cat6 cable as an extension). Every device will have to connect via wireless; but is totally immune from power surges.
B) Get a pair of MoCA adapters and run the ethernet through one of the coax lines into the house somewhere. (not thru the splitter)
C) Just buy slow (100mbps max) internet and save $$ but live with the lack of speed.

One thing to consider is adding a small UPS for the router. That will also act as a good surge protector. There are surge protectors for the ethernet line available. You want to block as much energy as possible, before it reaches your computers. The best thing would have been having the fiber come into the panel, and then the modem would be inside the panel. No surge is possible through fibre lines. As is now, hard to guess what things are like outside.

The hunter remote control shouldn't be connected anymore (except maybe a ground wire) and can be removed. You can probably sell it.
From my experience working in homes south of 466A here in the Villages, I've not seen any ethernet wires less than Cat 5E. They are installing Cat 6 in the new areas in the South. That said, in testing the Cat 5E ethernet cabling in my home which is a 2600sqft Ivy, no run is longer than 50 - 75 feet, significantly less than the 100 meter spec and I am able to get the rated 2.5Gbs and even up to 5GBs with these short runs using an internal test server no problem without any dropouts. True, if you have longer cable lenghts there will be a point where the Cat 5E will not support those speeds. To be honest, I was very surprised. Given this information and since not many have internet speeds greater than 1Gbs from their ISP, I wouldn't go through the trouble of running new Cat 6 wire unless you have some very specific needs. I also have a NAS (network attached storage) and the existing Cat 5E cabling works no problem with the 2.5 Gbs ports.

The data cabinet in the OPs picture is showing an Old Quantum or CentryLink installation where the ONT/Router were installed in a box outside of the house and then ethernet cable was brought into the data cabinet and patched to the existing home ethernet cabling. They don't do that anymore. Now the fiber is brought into the data cabinet where they install something called a SmartNid with is an ONT/Router with a 2 port switch. I have one of the newer ones with 2, 10Gbs ports. From there you can connect your own Wi-Fi equipment or Quantums. Very simple.
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