Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2088490)

Sorry to change to another car problem , I am home waiting for tow because Saturday night I noticed oil on garage floor of my 7,000 mile 2022 car after an oil change , I’m not going to say who did it (YET) but I’m hoping it’s just something they didn’t tighten but if they broke something I’m certainly going to let you all know , I hope no one breaks down on highway I called AAA at 8Am it’s now 9:58

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2088482)

Once in a blue moon they will offer a price that might be lower than your OTD offer.

To me better to let them make the first move than tell them what you will accept. Stranger things have happened so nothing to lose.

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2088482)

To me better to let them make the first move

Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2088594)

Good luck with that.

Once in 1995 I asked a salesman for their OTD price and never got an answer.

After that, we always computed our own OTD. We would just walk into a dealer and make that offer, contingent on us taking the car for a test drive.

Sometimes they accepted and sometimes they didn't. If they didn't, we would go to another dealer and offer $50 more.

Of course, this was in Fairfax county Virginia. We were buying a Honda Accord and there were 7 dealers near our house, so if one dealer refused our offer, we could easily increase our offer and go somewhere else.

In The Villages there are fewer dealers and we didn't know what we would do if Phillips Toyota refused our offer. However, they accepted our offer, so that was that.

Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2088643)

For those following my oil adventure , it turned out the plug wasn’t snapped in , so they fixed and gave me a free oil change good for a year and I got to ride in a big tow truck for the first time and for second time in my life used my AAA , now I’m going to take a nap lol

Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2088594)

Good luck with that.

Once in 1995 I asked a salesman for their OTD price and never got an answer.

After that, we always computed our own OTD. We would just walk into a dealer and make that offer, contingent on us taking the car for a test drive.

Sometimes they accepted and sometimes they didn't. If they didn't, we would go to another dealer and offer $50 more.

Of course, this was in Fairfax county Virginia. We were buying a Honda Accord and there were 7 dealers near our house, so if one dealer refused our offer, we could easily increase our offer and go somewhere else.

In The Villages there are fewer dealers and we didn't know what we would do if Phillips Toyota refused our offer. However, they accepted our offer, so that was that.

Originally Posted by larbud (Post 2088310)

The problem is you villagers (not Me!) Keeep falling for their shizit!! Walk away and then come back and read the ignorant bovine dung you posted! 👎🏿👎🏿

Originally Posted by Battlebasset (Post 2087634)

I found a 2013 Buick Encore at Jenkins Leesburg Volkswagen:

2013 Encore Leather

$16,900 Price Details
Leesburg VW Price (excl. taxes & fees)

Mileage: 43,480

OK, reasonable deal, so I dig deeper into the website:

Pay Cash - $22,921

Wow. $6,021 more. I understand taxes, registration, etc. But here's their breakdown:

Registration & Fees include $492.40 DMV fee , $999.00 documentation fee , $349.95 electronic filing fee and $2,863.00 Jenkins Value Package. Total $4704? That's not $6,021 for starters.

So I get the first three, although that documentation fee seems high. But the "Jenkins Value Package"? So I call, and I'm given the explanation of "Well, other dealers just call it mark up, but we give you something for it" Ok, like what?

"Floor mats, pinstriping, and a 130 point inspection" My response: "So you weren't inspecting your used cars before? You just took them on trade-in, and put them on the lot? I might as well buy from a private party and take my chances, at least I'll save money for the repairs". Mumble, Mumble. I say thank you and hang up.

Look, I get it. Cars are in short supply, so prices are elevated. No issue with that. What the market will bear, right?

But to advertise a price that is $4180 (value package plus the extra markup before taxes and fees) less that what you actually want to sell it for is dishonest. If your start price you want is $21,080, advertise it upfront that way. Then I can decide if I want to come out and look at it, with the knowledge that is what you want, and I'm probably going to have to pay that price if I want it.

Jenkins, the market will change at some point to more like what it was. But my memory won't change.

Here's the link to the vehicle in you want to confirm my numbers, for as long as the post is active.

Pre-Owned Buick Encore for sale in Leesburg

Hanging onto the old one a bit longer, and looking on TOTV for my next one from a private party.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2088305)

Yup. It happened to me, years ago. They "lost" my keys when they took my car out back to get a quote on a trade in.

Since this was well before cell phones, I asked if I could use their phone to call my girlfriend, as I was running late...

They handed me the phone, I dialed the operator, asked to be connected to the local police and my keys were in my hands within 30 seconds...

Needless to say, I left, never to step foot in their showroom again...

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2105860)

I think that all car dealers are deceptive. Anyone who goes into a car dealership, who doesn't know how much the vehicles are worth, is asking the dealer to rip them off.

Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2105860)

I think that all car dealers are deceptive. Anyone who goes into a car dealership, who doesn't know how much the vehicles are worth, is asking the dealer to rip them off.