[Wing-nut2]

GoldwingNut is the guy with with the drone. I’m wingnut2. I think I’ve been here longer. Over 10 years. GoldwingNut started in 2014 or 15. Look it up.

[Mrprez]

Originally Posted by Wing-nut2

GoldwingNut is the guy with with the drone. I’m wingnut2. I think I’ve been here longer. Over 10 years. GoldwingNut started in 2014 or 15. Look it up.

I did. 2016. There are others with similar names. I see no confusion between Wing-nut2 and Goldwingnut. Anyone who is confused, that is on you.

[dhsmith]

Wingnut2
Do you happen to know Jack Rinnier he and my wife went to college together and he also was a fire arms instructor there?
Bob

[woodcocd]

Originally Posted by John41

One more amenity bites the dust in America’s friendliest home town. Katie Belles is to become apartments in Spanish Springs. Apparently the developer is on a rampage to convert The Villages into a mixed multi family community for which the roads were not designed to hold the traffic. Urban sprawl at its worst.
Is the Waterfront Inn at Sumter Landing next?

Next it will be the polo grounds they convert to apartments

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Dilligas

KB was not an amenity, instead it was a business venture that failed because of lack of support. I am not sure how luxury apartments will go over in that space, with the square and its entertainment right outside it's window. Even though the nightly entertainment stops at 9 PM, there will have to be some very good sound proofing to keep the noise out. Brownwood has less of a problem because it is a couple of blocks away and has buildings inbetween. However, may small towns and towncenters for city suburbs have put in 2nd and 3 story luxury apartments with amazing success.

Can you site your source that Katie Belle's failed for lack of support besides years of speculation posted here on TOTV. I personally believe there was other issues besides profit for that decision. And next a certain faction here will say none of my business - right you are. But in my case in 2005 a TV "sales agent" showed us around and referred to it as resident's only club and the flagship of TV. It is an exclusive benefit of becoming a TV resident. Certainly ripe for interpretation as an implied contract.

[Ramone]

Originally Posted by dadspet

As homeowners since 2007 we were sad and disappointed that Katie Belles was remodeled and now even worst being converted into Apartments. As dancers, one of the key attractions for us buying a house here was our " Private - Resident Only unique two story country night club, Katie Belles". We really enjoyed the entertainment and atmosphere of the original Katie Belles. Whenever friends visited the first place we would take them was Katie Belles. When they converted it into a 2nd Floor only restaurant with entertainment it lost most of its unique atmosphere but still wasn't a bad place to go for dancing and a meal ( yes we did eat there and loved their martini flights) but it was no longer unique it just became a nice restaurant with a nice (but sticky) dance floor. Everyone we knew that went there was clearly in agreement it was a step in the wrong direction. Now removing it altogether and putting in Apartments is even worst. Adding more and more apartments and removing landmarks is a sad direction. Our hope is that they have a plan to recreate the 2 story Katie Belles in one of the new areas > Seems like the restaurant space in Brownwood next to BlueFin would be a great location and it's been vacant since the Square opened. But then again that's only a wishful dream and chances of converting that space into apartments ( and the square itself) is probably more likely. Sad very sad!

AND WHERE IS THE POA IN ALL THIS? Time to find some old timers paperwork from the 80's & 90's where agents and other documents tout Katie Bell's, Hacienda Club, Silver Lake Club as part of the deal of purchase. I assume POA has all this gathered and a fund for the time attorneys are needed.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by miharris

It's irrelevant whether a restaurant is an official "amenity" or not, the trend of more people and fewer amenities is a bad trend. How appealing would a square with all apartments and no stores or restaurants be to you? I'm sure the developer would have a hard time using that as a marketing tool. Same thing for HH, I have a hard time imagining agents promoting a house near the country club as being "walking distance" to an apartment complex. Don't get me wrong, we love the villages and are happy we moved here, but nothing is so permanent that it can't be ruined by bad management.

Agreed that "there is nothing that can't be ruined by bad management". This concept could be extended from TV land to larger and larger organizations?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by J1ceasar

In any normal City. There are apartments . not everyone wants a 2000 foot home . nor needs one . grow up . it's the developers land .

If the TV Land residents wanted just a "normal city" they could have stopped their southward journey at Chattanooga. Save gas and travel time to go back to visit up North. They could have a bigger yard for less money. They instead wanted all the many benefits that TV Land offers. And WITHOUT unwanted changes. Can't you know? The place is a thinly disguised autocracy. There are many hazards to life possibly(?) coming in the next few years that will make this TV Land deterioration look like small potatoes!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

I am very certain that as soon as the apartments are completed they will be filled with residents. There are a number of positive reasons people would want to live on the square. Something breaks in the apartment call the manager and they fix it, no yard to worry about, no tax bills, some utilities may be covered in the lease, and you are as close to the shopping and night life as you can be. With the windows closed as they usually are in Florida, you won't hear any noise from the bands or the crowds. Just because you don't want to live there means nothing, there plenty that want it.

I don't think that an audio expert would agree with you about noise NOT getting through the windows. I bet the low frequencies of the drumbeat will get through and loudly, and with vibrations.

[maybe]

Within limits, the fewer attractive things there are in the older areas which might "steal" a possible new home buyer, the easier it is to sell new homes down south with attractions to come.

[Jayhawk]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Certainly ripe for interpretation as an implied contract.

Who can guarantee a business will last that long?

I would doubt a 15 year old verbal "implied contract" would have much teeth in 2020.

[Ladygolfer93]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Hold on to your boot straps. Here comes the experts flogging you for for saying Katie Belle's is an amenity. Then we will continue on that tangent instead of discussing the real issue of Katie Belle's closing and being replaced by somewhat of a surprise (good or bad?) in a commercial area.

Oh "they" will be jumping on you for sure ! Can't imagine anyone thinking UPSTAIRS apartments where music (usually is playing loudly nightly) is a "good" idea, but yes, The Villages is definitely far far far from the idyllic retirement community it was meant to be. It's too bad is all, instead of getting so nasty, people should realize many do feel cheated by the "bait and switch" tactics, but on the other hand, when any of us just can't stand the "big city" crime, traffic, lack of real interest in making this the BEST environment for retirees, people will move and look for a nicer, smaller, community. When you buy in a town that is actually a private enterprise owned by a single family or holding group, you win some, and, you do give up a lot of constitutional rights. It's a choice folks, it's a choice.

[Manhoopty]

Really??? Hmmm...you must have some “inside scoop” to share......

[Ladygolfer93]

Originally Posted by Wing-nut2

How long will it be before The Villages offers Fully Furnished Apartments complete with golf cart use? Are they trying to kill the buy a house and rent it until retirement market?

It's all about the $$$.

All about the $$$ is right Jim. How long yet ? Probably not long, the handwriting is on the wall for sure ! Too bad, but, when we move into a privately controlled "town" voluntarily, unfortunately we loose the "inalienable rights", you obviously fought for (as well as my dad, uncle, 4 brother's in law, husband, and grandson fought for). It's sad, it sure is. Just think, if we moved to a "real" part of America, with a real mayor, and real elections, and a real city council, we'd have a voice in what happens to us, not just have to wait until the next shoe "drops". Does anyone pay attention to the amount of drug dealing going on here ? You have to find out about the drug deals, drug houses, other illegal happenings in new papers outside our own community newspaper too. If people move out would it help ? No, that solves nothing no! There are plenty waiting to get in. Many of us will probably stay until it's just intolerable traffic and waits to get into your village/home, and then will leave, still many will stay no matter how crowded and stressful it gets. Compared to circumstances in major cities right now, giving up some rights such as displaying a cross, or a flag, or not being able to have a certain plant container or garden ornament, might seem a small price to pay. For others, crowded mass of humanity here may be just the straw.
Honestly I my opinion, the singular downfall is the unbridled growth. Second, probably, is the amazing relaxation (compared to years ago) on rentals. It's like the Emperor's New Clothes here, anyone who dares to point out that things are not going in a good direction is told "GET OUT", no reflection on the fact that maybe a constituency SHOULD open their eyes and pay attention to changes in their community, just "get out". !!?? Do not burst my bubble by pointing out reality to me.... LOL !

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I don't think that an audio expert would agree with you about noise NOT getting through the windows. I bet the low frequencies of the drumbeat will get through and loudly, and with vibrations.

No body will force you to live there so it shouldn't bother you one bit. For the prospective renter, due diligence before signing the lease. A reasonable and sensible individual will recognize the fact that there "might" be some noise infiltration into the apartment.