Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2180316)

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza

Originally Posted by LuvtheVillages (Post 2180403)

You are NOT subsidizing any workforce housing. Any apartments being built (other than at Brownwood, and they pay fees just like you) are OUTSIDE the Villages. None of your money or fees go to those apartments.

Within the Villages, the non-age-restricted housing is completely separate from the age-restricted housing. They have their own facilities and recreation, completely separate from yours.

The only expense I can think of is that some of your property taxes may be used to build roads and schools. Just like in any city in the country.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2180420)

There are not plenty of places in the surrounding communities. That is why capitalist entrepreneurs are building new housing. That is why the Morse clan, not stupid people at all, are building more family sections. The work force now comes from afar.

And do you expect us to be so gullible as to believe that you as a "High Skilled Tradesman" were paid less than $11 an hour ten years ago?

Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2180608)

Thank you , I needed that ! Yes the minimum wage here in Florida is on of the lowest in the country…paid in Sunshine dollars….lol
The News does get my goat pretty easily lately, and I’m flipping all channels..that 20.00 per hour Walmart story, possibly took me over the edge, knowing most employees still qualify for supplemental government benefits..I’ll just take a chill pill and try to figure out how to process 20 million illegals getting Social Security numbers and 1099s. It might be less Stressful… anyway Thanks again …

Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2180480)

Disney is paying 20.00 bucks per hour to their Cast members, with 5 % increases every year…frustrating seeing these and other entry level jobs making these wages & pushing that tip jar in our faces… guess I’m just sick & tired of the system bleeding the Retiree on Fixed incomes… I’m comfortable now but the future looks bleak..

Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2180600)

Starting for for new graduate RN can start at $22-24 hourly rate, state by state, unless you want to work in high crime area, then you get hazard pay.

So why go into health care, when you can work for Disney, get ticket perks, and have a stress free magical day.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180774)

How about the increased cost of Police protection? Unless someone thinks that the crime rate for young people isn't higher than for retired people.

Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2180316)

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza

Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2180704)

Yep tell that to a 18 yo, that future is more important than the next 4 years. Health care is not the calling it used to be. I have 45 plus years in Operating Room, and counting. The reason hospitals are short is many retired during the two year hiatus of Covid. With the option of returning, however most chose to just walk away.

We could see what every position made in my system that owned 300 plus facilities, all over the country. It was incentive to post hourly wages from starting to top. Oncology for an RN, not much up grade.

ICU, ED, OR, are at the middle, depending on added on certification. However, $100,000 isn’t in any RN scale. NP, ORNP, PA, PAOR, can make six figures, but not all.

House RN mom, which was mid management, but never enough money to put up with all the crap.
Even with many of us working 60 plus hours a week durning Covid, $100,000 was never in the mix. Many were furloughed or hours cut.

Both of us have 45 years each in multi healthcare facilities, our kids, are Doctors, PAOR and RNOR, certified.

Granddaughter is started med school this year, trauma orthopedic is her passion, like her grandfather. But conversation this weekend was “ I just figured out by the time I finish residency, I will be $700,000 in debt”. And then I still have to enter into my trauma orthopedics specialty.

She said sometimes she questions debt could reach a million dollars and will it worth it. Then she goes to cadaver lab, sees how fractured bones could have been repaired better, and knows it’s all worth the money,

Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2180555)

And I remember when the 10% tip was the norm which then went to 15% and then 18% and now everyone is pushing 20%. Thankfully they do the math now and make tip suggestions on the check in case you can’t do math. All the while the base cost of the meal goes up and up and up. And why carrying a plate of porterhouse steak to your table warrants a higher tip than that plate of meatloaf makes no sense to me at all. Tip based on level of service not on the cost of the plat.

Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2180565)

OP managed to cover 3 complaints in one post.

Housing
Minimum Wage
Tipping

Maybe OP had a bad day or just needs to let up on consuming the media a little bit.

So TV is not paying for the housing.

The minimum wage in Florida is one of the lowest in the country.

Tipping is always optional.

I hope you have a better day.

Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2180608)

Thank you , I needed that ! Yes the minimum wage here in Florida is on of the lowest in the country…paid in Sunshine dollars….lol
The News does get my goat pretty easily lately, and I’m flipping all channels..that 20.00 per hour Walmart story, possibly took me over the edge, knowing most employees still qualify for supplemental government benefits..I’ll just take a chill pill and try to figure out how to process 20 million illegals getting Social Security numbers and 1099s. It might be less Stressful… anyway Thanks again …

Originally Posted by Janie123 (Post 2180609)

Let’s see, Villagers complain about service at restaurants… mostly due to lack of staff. I note some FB posts recently where a few of the CC restaurants cancelled breakfast service due to lack of staff. We were at Cody’s mid week. We can tell the staff was short. Handed. Our server was out of breath a few times coming to our table so her tips could suffer as the time between visits were too long.

I digress… Wildwood and other towns around the villages see and hear about short staffed establishments and decide to subsidize housing for more minimum wage workers. Is that any different that the state and cities giving large tax credits to large corporations to bring their businesses to FL? Subsidized housing is the same IMHO just 1-2 people at a time.

Also IMHO, the service is very good in and around the villages (with some exceptions) as I compare it to Denver/Aurora where we moved from… seems to me more hard working folks want to get out of poverty or just struggling workers vs. workers that have more of an entitled mindset… but just my $.02.

Originally Posted by Charlie'sDad (Post 2180647)

The cleaning ladies gave me an estimate of $120 for 2 Bedrooms, 2 bath rooms, kitchen, open dining/living room and den. They (there were 3 of them) were here for 45 minutes !!! That's over $40 an hour. Did they clean very well ? NO. They are not coming back.

Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2180663)

Look out everyone....Popeye's gonna eat some spinach!!!!!:boxing2:

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2180684)

Originally Posted by RICH1 [edited]
Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. ... Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! ...

Reply by Blueash:
[edited]. That is why capitalist entrepreneurs are building new housing. That is why the Morse clan, not stupid people at all, are building more family sections. The work force now comes from afar.

And do you expect us to be so gullible as to believe that you as a "High Skilled Tradesman" were paid less than $11 an hour ten years ago?



I said the Morse clan members are not stupid people.. Why are you threatening me and suggesting that my recognition of their financial skills should cause you or anyone to break my jaw. Or maybe you don't read well and somehow think I called you stupid or suggested you thought the Morses were stupid. I did not do either of those things. Read what I wrote again. See post #4

And then you threaten me with disaster??? What is wrong with you? I did not twist your comment which despite the poor wording seems to say that the minimum wage today is higher than your salary 10 years ago. If that is not the meaning of "the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago" you write very unclearly.
Then you accuse me of only presenting my TWISTED SPIN when I 100% completely included your exact words in my post which is so obvious I don't know how you can make up such a lie about what I wrote. Again see post #4 where your entire post is included above my comment.
Please consider why you need to threaten physical violence even if someone did call you stupid or suggest why a disaster is somehow forthcoming if someone misquotes your words. Wow, just Wow.

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 2180691)

"Please consider why you need to threaten physical violence even if someone did call you stupid or suggest why a disaster is somehow forthcoming if someone misquotes your words. Wow, just Wow."


I can only assume that there aren't any mods around right now, because they normally would have instantly deleted that threatening post, as they're usually pretty good about keeping impotent keyboard warriors/extremists from getting away with things like that...which was beyond the pale.

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2180777)

Maybe it's time to think about stepping away from that television "news" -- spun to make viewers angry.

Ever notice how those obscenely paid "news" deliverers hammer -- hammer-- hammer -- tapping into the emotional part of their viewers' brains -- winding up their fans into a heightened state of negative emotion (anger, panic, fear, paranoia)?

Sometimes that constant pounding will tip viewers into a state of urgency -- gotta do something, gotta do it NOW.

Ironically, that constant tapping into negative emotion is the same method used by scammers -- but those who buy into it on a screen of their own choice can't seem to see the parallels. It's all emotional manipulation for money, lots of it. All from the same playbook.

I know someone whose husband spends so much time in front of television "news" that it is changing his personality by negatively affecting his mood, day after day. She cannot convince him to connect the dots, to see the cause-and-effect -- and turn off that &%$#ing television.

Lucy Boomer (Advice 5 Cents)

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 2180789)

As I understand it, the people that own those apartment buildings and other rental income properties pay taxes. I would think that the more properties that exist the more tax monies go into the city, town and county coffers to pay for additional police, fire, schools and other essential services.

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 2180694)

The best and most hilarious part being, the "entitled" poster actually thanked you! LOL Methinks he doesn't quite understand your dead on comment on his post.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180773)

That's assuming that ALL the workforce doing jobs in the Villages are HONEST. Some, not so much. Some work as landscapers or lawn cutters by day and come back at night to rob and pillage. What a surprise, some people don't like RICH, entitled, old caucasian people - hard to blame them. Some residents in the old days did NOT even lock their doors when they went out. Today, you NEED security cameras and hidden safes. And going for a several-day trip somewhere and having newspapers pile up is like saying, "please, please break in.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180774)

How about the increased cost of Police protection? Unless someone thinks that the crime rate for young people isn't higher than for retired people.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180775)

A highly skilled tradesman could have been paid less than $11 per hour - IN FLORIDA - probably NOT up NORTH.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180792)

The problem IS that ALL around the country EMPLOYERS are having trouble getting enough employees at the wages that they have become accustomed to paying. Note : real wages with respect to inflation have stagnated for about the last 15 years. However, in the last 2 years, the EMPLOYEES have realized that they have SOME small amount of POWER and they are asking and getting small wage increases.
.....it seems unavoidable that both YOUNGER residents and live-in-the-bubble workers will be an increasing part of life in the NEWER southern regions of the Villages. And just as an aside, both groups may be interested in new sports and activities and less in the longer, bigger GOLF courses. We talked about that in another thread. Face it TV Land is EVOLVING. And that is NOT necessarily a BAD THING.
.......I believe the reason that there are fewer available WORKERS has something to do with the Pandemic because this worker shortage started AFTER the Pandemic. I have NOT heard the exact reason as to WHY many workers got out of the labor market ???????
......It is possible that here in the Villages and especially in the new southern region that the Village Administration decided that they NEEDED to entice workers to come or stay in this area, (WITHOUT greatly increasing their wages) by providing them good local housing benefits. I do NOT know that for a fact, just my guess.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180793)

University and College Presidents and their staff make WAY too much money. But, people want DESPERATELY to get an education and a degree so that THEY, in turn, can make the BIG bucks. It's kind of like a human hampster wheel.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180794)

I NEVER liked the concept of tips when I figured they were STUPID at about 7th grade. But, I am an outlier.

Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2180316)

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180799)

Please clean your own place or get a smaller place. You can't complain about those who you are creating a magnet for by paying them.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180799)

Please clean your own place or get a smaller place. You can't complain about those who you are creating a magnet for by paying them.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2180820)

I doubt that there is a simple LINEAR relationship between the population of any city or area like The Villages and the tax money NEEDED to be collected. For example, it takes MORE equipment and specialized people to fight 5 story fires than all single story. Most everything has a bell-shaped curve, so some amounts of population would be more or less efficient than some other points. For example, younger families would have more children than senior residents , therefore requiring more schools, classrooms, and buses.
..... A lot of factors would have to be analyzed to determine the optimal quality of life and the most efficient use of taxes. Growth for growth's sake might NOT be optimal.

Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 2180777)

Maybe it's time to think about stepping away from that television "news" -- spun to make viewers angry.

Ever notice how those obscenely paid "news" deliverers hammer -- hammer-- hammer -- tapping into the emotional part of their viewers' brains -- winding up their fans into a heightened state of negative emotion (anger, panic, fear, paranoia)?

Sometimes that constant pounding will tip viewers into a state of urgency -- gotta do something, gotta do it NOW.

Ironically, that constant tapping into negative emotion is the same method used by scammers -- but those who buy into it on a screen of their own choice can't seem to see the parallels. It's all emotional manipulation for money, lots of it. All from the same playbook.

I know someone whose husband spends so much time in front of television "news" that it is changing his personality by negatively affecting his mood, day after day. She cannot convince him to connect the dots, to see the cause-and-effect -- and turn off that &%$#ing television.

Lucy Boomer (Advice 5 Cents)

Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2180316)

Why all of a sudden do Villagers need to subsidize Workforce Housing apartments? Plenty of places to live in surrounding towns that house and support the working men and working ladies.. Changing the fabric of a Retirement Community will only cheapen the quality of Retiree life by creating more expenses to draw from a fixed income. Raising the minimum wage has become more than my High Skilled Tradesmen career I had 10 years ago! And this Tipping thing is over, do your job and make me a pizza

Originally Posted by Charlie'sDad (Post 2180647)

The cleaning ladies gave me an estimate of $120 for 2 Bedrooms, 2 bath rooms, kitchen, open dining/living room and den. They (there were 3 of them) were here for 45 minutes !!! That's over $40 an hour. Did they clean very well ? NO. They are not coming back.

Originally Posted by mkjelenbaas (Post 2180899)

Help me out - where are some of the areas that you mention where the work force could live - just wondering.

Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2180933)

One of the areas is Wildwood.

If you drive along Powell Road (Route 462) you will see a lot of new housing being built. Going west along 466A you will see Beaumont and Tradewinds with a lot of new housing.