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I would hope at the meeting today, Lady Lake makes a decision on this matter as the bickering back and forth has solved nothing, proved nothing, and may have done much harm to the relationships in the area. I'm really glad I'm up in Ohio.
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Ed, if The Villages is required to provide cart path access all over because of the Paradise Dr. situation, would you be willing to pay for the extra costs this would mean to Village residents? Extra costs being an ID attendent at all pools, pickleball courts, tennis courts, golf courses, and so forth. The Villages does not require that type of manpower now but would surely require it if access is wide open to the paths. Ed, if you owned your home in The Villages and not in Stonecrest, you would be on this side of the argument. |
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The Villages now wants to control this unwanted access by golf carts to golf cart paths maintained by The Villages and residents by reinstalling a gate on Village property. This is information I have read on these posts, but bottom line is... none of us will know until the big guys sort it out. |
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If your roads were and cart paths were built with government tax free bonds then they are not private and that is why you can push a red or silver button at any gate and get in. They are not private, PERIOD!! Now if you would like us to pay a trail fee of $120.00 like you do a year I do not have a problem with that at all. Just saying.......Let's be happy please!!
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I had to laugh about the flowers and construction materials. I'm always amazed on some of the objects in our community that sometimes sprout legs....LOL |
WOW-I read "The Manifesto" and thirteen pages of diatribe which had been suggested by a "friend". I have seen and listened to community organizers in action and heard the rallying cries to the masses to voice their opinion to Government. The bad guy is the "developer". The "good guys" are the outside agitators. And the sheep will go to the meeting- BAAH BLA BAH and then it will be over. The gate will be put up and those that vandalize shall be photographed on the cameras and rightfully prosecuted. Sanity will return and The Village lifestyle experiment shall continue.
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So whenever those gates were installed, it was unauthorized just like the wall was. If the gates were vandalized by having the arms removed it was likely by Stonecrest residents. After all, TV does not have a monopoly on hooligans. Nevertheless, it was unauthorized. And if an approved golf cart throughway does not constitute a right of way through there I don't know what will. |
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In Mr. Wilson’s metaphor —(in a neighborhood) "when a window is broken and someone fixes it, that is a sign that disorder will not be tolerated. But “one unrepaired broken window,” they wrote, “is a signal that no one cares, and so breaking more windows costs nothing.” I have understated the theory to make it brief for this forum. Feel free to explore it in detail. Volumes have been written about it and it does apply to The Villages. William Bratten, the former NYPD Commisioner who is given credit for significantly improving conditions in NYC was a disciple of Wilson's "Broken Window theory'. Your suggestion of, "[I]So what if a couple of cheaters use a community pool they are not entitled to use. Who cares if a couple of outsiders let their dogs run and crap in a Dog Park."[/I], is a spot on example and precisely the attitude that causes crime, decay and loss of property values in communities. It is not a rich person problem as you arrogantly state. It is a problem for everyone who desires to live in a safe, secure, clean community. Have a nice evening. |
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Up until the mid-2000's there were pool monitors at all the pools in The Villages, but these minimum wage part-time positions were done away with because they were too expensive, so they said. There was a big uproar over this at the time. Another thread states that there is a meeting at 7:00pm in Fruitland Park about the proposed development of the dairy farm. It would seem that anyone who lives close to 466A would be better served to attend that meeting, since they will more directly effected by an additional 4000 people shopping at the Colony Publix. |
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Roads maintained by the counties are public roads. (Marion County does not maintain those roads). Golf cart paths are maintained through the use of amenity funds collected from Village residents which are also not tax deductable. Your position would suggest that since tax free bonds were issued to purchase recreational facilities, anyone would be entitled to use thoseU facilities. It further implies that towns, counties, (or CDD's) are not allowed to restrict use to residents of their community. |
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You talk about impact, the modern dairy farm I saw is not a bunch of cows standing in a pasture chewing grass! They are standing in a feed lot, fed a special diet, and get milked on a race track carousel, then back to the feed lot. Wait to you get a whiff of that!
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You can tell everyone is already at the meeting. This thread is slowed down to a crawl. Wait till they get back. You will not be able to read the posts fast enough.......
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This is tiring me out. I need a drink. Barkeep, make it a double. |
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Too bad someone could not bring up some live video.... |
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XNYer: You make some good points. Everybody is entitled to their opinion or opinions on the subject of Multi Use Modal Trails in TV and Wheather they are open to the public to use the same as the roads and streets in TV. Some say yes and some say no they are different from the roads and streets. That appears to be the main issue debated here in this Thread. Frankly, it's above my "pay grade" to really know the answer to that question. Maybe, just maybe we will soon know the answer.
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Do you think the posters who didn't get the "right" answer will quietly disappear or will we get some interesting "spin"? Life is sure interesting in these parts! ;):pepper2: |
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The main issue in this thread is not about the multi-modal paths. It’s about whether or not a restrictive gate limited to Villagers can now be placed in that path.
And the Lady Lake town meeting is actually geared towards the fact that the wall was put up without a permit. But from my standpoint, I’m hoping that the town rules that this is an established right of way and no barriers, fixed or selective may be laced there. We’ll see. |
The Multi-Modal Trails are Private Property. This was an entire paragraph in EdV's manifesto.
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"The infrastructure of the District in which you live was built with tax-exempt bonds. The bonds are repaid with monies collected in the annual tax bill sent out by the Sumter or Marion County Tax Collector's office and appear in the Non-Ad Valorem section of the tax bill as "Bond Debt Assessment"." |
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If the Sumter County Sheriffs office, a branch of the Sumter County government, says the cart paths are private property then I prefer to adhere to their opinion. The issue of the private or public cart paths became an issue by some upset at a gate possibly going up. Last but not least should the resolution 98-106, or whatever it is, be said to not allow a gate my question then is just what exactly precludes the parties responsible from changing or eliminating said resolution? |
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Look, you know all those stop signs in the parking areas all over the place down here. Well if Publix that owns a parking lot formally requests traffic jurisdiction in there then a deputy can issue you a stop sign violation. But if Publix doesn’t grant that jurisdiction, it doesn’t change the public access status of that parking lot now does it. |
Don't you have to travel on a multi Modal Trail from paradise dr to the bridge and from the bridge to a street in Spanish Springs? I have been over there a few times to The golf course and seems like that is the case. If the multi Modal Trails are private property of the CDD'S then a gate could be erected anywhere along the trail. Oh no, not another can of worms! Of course, I'm probably wrong about this.
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How come Stone Crest has a gated golf cart path into its facilities. By mistake, I got locked in after going through an open gate and could not get out. But, many people want access to TV....HMMMMM.
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