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JeffAVEWS 08-19-2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HalfWayIn (Post 729414)
I wonder if Lady Lake will use eminent domain, take the lot, and make the path open to the public forever? That would be a perfect solution.

IMHO they don't have to take the lot, all they need to do is create an easement or codify the one that I believe already exists.

Steve9930 08-19-2013 01:36 PM

I would hope at the meeting today, Lady Lake makes a decision on this matter as the bickering back and forth has solved nothing, proved nothing, and may have done much harm to the relationships in the area. I'm really glad I'm up in Ohio.

Peachie 08-19-2013 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by EdV (Post 729468)
And nowhere in this thread nor in any thread in the five years I have been a member here have I ever even implied that a non-resident was entitled to use any of the private facilities in The Villages.

This thread is about my contention that a golf cart right of way to and from Paradise Dr. was established back in 1998 and that the multi-modal paths are a natural extension of the public roads in TV.

But it’s ironic to hear people complaining about congestion and overcrowding after buying a home in a community with a 120,000 resident build out plan. Amazing

No irony, Ed, The Villages is designed to handle the golf cart traffic of it's residents, not all of the outlying communities. For The Villages cart traffic level, we are prepared.

Ed, if The Villages is required to provide cart path access all over because of the Paradise Dr. situation, would you be willing to pay for the extra costs this would mean to Village residents? Extra costs being an ID attendent at all pools, pickleball courts, tennis courts, golf courses, and so forth. The Villages does not require that type of manpower now but would surely require it if access is wide open to the paths.

Ed, if you owned your home in The Villages and not in Stonecrest, you would be on this side of the argument.

Peachie 08-19-2013 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 729472)
peachie - why do you think the developer had no problem providing access to that 'private development' - a very short cart path] to outside residents in the past 20 yrs?

Hi, Njbchbum. The developer didn't provide access to that private development for 20 years. There was a gate which was installed to block that access which I am given to understand was damaged and vandalized by golf cart owners outside The Villages so they could access The Villages. Lady Lake then got in the middle of it because of their public road, from what I can glean from these posts.

The Villages now wants to control this unwanted access by golf carts to golf cart paths maintained by The Villages and residents by reinstalling a gate on Village property.

This is information I have read on these posts, but bottom line is... none of us will know until the big guys sort it out.

Steve9930 08-19-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729528)
Hi, Njbchbum. The developer didn't provide access to that private development for 20 years. There was a gate which was installed to block that access which I am given to understand was damaged and vandalized by golf cart owners outside The Villages so they could access The Villages. Lady Lake then got in the middle of it because of their public road, from what I can glean from these posts.

The Villages now wants to control this unwanted access by golf carts to golf cart paths maintained by The Villages and residents by reinstalling a gate on Village property.

This is information I have read on these posts, but bottom line is... none of us will know until the big guys sort it out.

How do we know it was outsiders that damaged the gate?

skip0358 08-19-2013 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mrdarcy (Post 729473)
Fruitland Park residents cannot access TV golf cart trails at this point in time. But, if The Villages expands on the land across from Burke's BBQ, as is proposed, that land is in Fruitland Park's jurisdiction in Lake County. The Villages will construct infrastructure to support new villages, just as they have done in every other section of TV. This infrastructure will include multi-modal paths. Fruitland Park officials have already said they want their residents to have access to those new paths to get to the Colony Publix and other businesses by golf cart. The Villages representatives have told Fruitland Park officials that access on the multi-modal paths by non-Villages is a point on which TV will not negotiate.

TV representatives would have had a very difficult time defending this stance given the decades long unrestricted access on Paradise Drive, until said access was abruptly eliminated just prior to the meeting with Fruitland Park officials. Now it remains to be seen how negotiations with Fruitland Park will proceed. Sumter County and Wildwood officials can see the ways in which TV provides A LOT of revenue to local businesses, and they, therefore, have decided to concede some of their "We Want" points in negotiations with TV representatives.

I agree with Gracie that the Morses are smart business people. Look around you. How else do you think TV was built? By lazy, selfish louts? No. In most developments the Developer makes all manner of promises and then bolts outta there never to be seen or heard from again, especially when problems and the inevitable lawsuits arise. In our case, Gary Morse and the Morse family still live in the midst of all the rest of us. They live in the middle of TV. Yes, they are billionaires, but they live here. I suspect they too care about the conditions where they live just as much as each of us does.

The Developer very much deserves credit for maintaining our investment--our home's value--through his policies and business practices. I'll be much more worried about the future of TV when the Morse clan decides they would rather live in some other community, in some other state, in some other country. I, for one, am thoroughly delighted the Morses still live here. I'm OK with my neighbors being billionaires, as long they remain invested in what the place looks like.

Yes I read the minutes from the meeting. TV even if expanded is still going to be a long way from Fruitland Park golf cart area. I believe your going to see a trade off if TV gets permission to build. I saw where it was stated that improvements would be made to Racetrack Road area I wouldn't be surprised if you don't see 466A get finished if TV gets what it wants just like 466 was finished by TV. I can truly understand NOT wanting outsiders using the golf cart trails or Multi Model paths as there already quite busy and the paths are maintained by us. JMO

EdV 08-19-2013 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729516)
No irony, Ed, The Villages is designed to handle the golf cart traffic of it's residents, not all of the outlying communities. For The Villages cart traffic level, we are prepared.

If The Villages wasn't designed to handle non resident traffic it should never have been organized under the CDD laws. If you want to build a private community do it with private funds. The fact that you and other residents didn't think about the consequences of purchasing a home in a CDD doesn't give you the right to declare it private.

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729516)
Ed, if The Villages is required to provide cart path access all over because of the Paradise Dr. situation, would you be willing to pay for the extra costs this would mean to Village residents? Extra costs being an ID attendent at all pools, pickleball courts, tennis courts, golf courses, and so forth. The Villages does not require that type of manpower now but would surely require it if access is wide open to the paths.

I already answered this in another thread. But in case you missed it, Stonecrest does not need to use any of the amenities in TV. We have all of them already. If that's what you're really worried about you should be concentrating your efforts on thwarting access to your amenities by the thousands of residents in surrounding communities that have no amenities but have access to TV in their cars.

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729516)
Ed, if you owned your home in The Villages and not in Stonecrest, you would be on this side of the argument.

Absolutely not. It would be hypocritical of me to do so.

But I'll grant you one thing, you are tenacious.

deltaguy 08-19-2013 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729516)
No irony, Ed, The Villages is designed to handle the golf cart traffic of it's residents, not all of the outlying communities. For The Villages cart traffic level, we are prepared.

Ed, if The Villages is required to provide cart path access all over because of the Paradise Dr. situation, would you be willing to pay for the extra costs this would mean to Village residents? Extra costs being an ID attendent at all pools, pickleball courts, tennis courts, golf courses, and so forth. The Villages does not require that type of manpower now but would surely require it if access is wide open to the paths.

Ed, if you owned your home in The Villages and not in Stonecrest, you would be on this side of the argument.

Wow! Since I haven't a clue who either one of you are I can only comment on my assessment of these comments. The last post would make it seem that this dirt path or whatever it is has more traffic than I-75. Actually, my guess would be that the traffic is minimal and very few outsiders are using this back way into TV for clandestine purposes. So what if a couple of cheaters use a community pool they are not entitled to use. Who cares if a couple of outsiders let their dogs run and crap in a Dog Park. Who cares if they visit our restaurants, movies etc. and spend a few bucks in our community. The same Residents who complain about this kind of stuff are probably oblivious to Villagers who dig up newly planted flowers in common areas to replant in their own yards. Helping themselves to material that is not theirs at construction sites. (Haven't seen it? Open your eyes) Bottom line, what's the big deal? This whole thing has been a joke that makes the folks who perpetrated it, for whatever reasons, look like a bunch of very rich jerks!

njbchbum 08-19-2013 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729528)
Hi, Njbchbum. The developer didn't provide access to that private development for 20 years. There was a gate which was installed to block that access which I am given to understand was damaged and vandalized by golf cart owners outside The Villages so they could access The Villages. Lady Lake then got in the middle of it because of their public road, from what I can glean from these posts.

The Villages now wants to control this unwanted access by golf carts to golf cart paths maintained by The Villages and residents by reinstalling a gate on Village property.

This is information I have read on these posts, but bottom line is... none of us will know until the big guys sort it out.

yup! i get it all up to the point that there was never an attempt to limit access after lady lake got into the mix...so why now and why not way back when? hmm......

truered58 08-19-2013 02:33 PM

If your roads were and cart paths were built with government tax free bonds then they are not private and that is why you can push a red or silver button at any gate and get in. They are not private, PERIOD!! Now if you would like us to pay a trail fee of $120.00 like you do a year I do not have a problem with that at all. Just saying.......Let's be happy please!!

Steve9930 08-19-2013 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguy (Post 729548)
Wow! Since I haven't a clue who either one of you are I can only comment on my assessment of these comments. The last post would make it seem that this dirt path or whatever it is has more traffic than I-75. Actually, my guess would be that the traffic is minimal and very few outsiders are using this back way into TV for clandestine purposes. So what if a couple of cheaters use a community pool they are not entitled to use. Who cares if a couple of outsiders let their dogs run and crap in a Dog Park. Who cares if they visit our restaurants, movies etc. and spend a few bucks in our community. The same Residents who complain about this kind of stuff are probably oblivious to Villagers who dig up newly planted flowers in common areas to replant in their own yards. Helping themselves to material that is not theirs at construction sites. (Haven't seen it? Open your eyes) Bottom line, what's the big deal? This whole thing has been a joke that makes the folks who perpetrated it, for whatever reasons, look like a bunch of very rich jerks!

Hopefully all this nonsense will be over in about 3 to 4 hours. If your going to the meeting might be best to where your Kevlar vest or take a few Valium.

I had to laugh about the flowers and construction materials. I'm always amazed on some of the objects in our community that sometimes sprout legs....LOL

Sgtsixpack 08-19-2013 02:46 PM

WOW-I read "The Manifesto" and thirteen pages of diatribe which had been suggested by a "friend". I have seen and listened to community organizers in action and heard the rallying cries to the masses to voice their opinion to Government. The bad guy is the "developer". The "good guys" are the outside agitators. And the sheep will go to the meeting- BAAH BLA BAH and then it will be over. The gate will be put up and those that vandalize shall be photographed on the cameras and rightfully prosecuted. Sanity will return and The Village lifestyle experiment shall continue.

EdV 08-19-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729528)
Hi, Njbchbum. The developer didn't provide access to that private development for 20 years. There was a gate which was installed to block that access which I am given to understand was damaged and vandalized by golf cart owners outside The Villages so they could access The Villages. Lady Lake then got in the middle of it because of their public road, from what I can glean from these posts....

NJ, I'm sorry that you are being deliberately misguided on this. But if you want the truth, here it is. If you look at the agenda for tonight's meeting, around in the middle of that document, you'll find the engineering drawings for the approved cart path. There are no gates shown in those very detailed drawings and nowhere in the text of the plan was any such gate mentioned.

So whenever those gates were installed, it was unauthorized just like the wall was. If the gates were vandalized by having the arms removed it was likely by Stonecrest residents. After all, TV does not have a monopoly on hooligans. Nevertheless, it was unauthorized.

And if an approved golf cart throughway does not constitute a right of way through there I don't know what will.

Peachie 08-19-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 729556)
Hopefully all this nonsense will be over in about 3 to 4 hours. If your going to the meeting might be best to where your Kevlar vest or take a few Valium.

I had to laugh about the flowers and construction materials. I'm always amazed on some of the objects in our community that sometimes sprout legs....LOL

I don't know if this post bothers anyone else but it sure does me. Why are you suggesting that people wear a bullet proof vest to a public meeting. Are you threatening people or trying to instigate violence, Steve. This is the worst post I've ever read.

cabo35 08-19-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguy (Post 729548)
Wow! Since I haven't a clue who either one of you are I can only comment on my assessment of these comments. The last post would make it seem that this dirt path or whatever it is has more traffic than I-75. Actually, my guess would be that the traffic is minimal and very few outsiders are using this back way into TV for clandestine purposes. So what if a couple of cheaters use a community pool they are not entitled to use. Who cares if a couple of outsiders let their dogs run and crap in a Dog Park. Who cares if they visit our restaurants, movies etc. and spend a few bucks in our community. The same Residents who complain about this kind of stuff are probably oblivious to Villagers who dig up newly planted flowers in common areas to replant in their own yards. Helping themselves to material that is not theirs at construction sites. (Haven't seen it? Open your eyes) Bottom line, what's the big deal? This whole thing has been a joke that makes the folks who perpetrated it, for whatever reasons, look like a bunch of very rich jerks!

James Q. Wilson, a famous social scientist authored the "Broken Windows" theory on crime and its proliferation. In a very short but precise excerpt the theory held as follows:

In Mr. Wilson’s metaphor —(in a neighborhood) "when a window is broken and someone fixes it, that is a sign that disorder will not be tolerated. But “one unrepaired broken window,” they wrote, “is a signal that no one cares, and so breaking more windows costs nothing.” I have understated the theory to make it brief for this forum. Feel free to explore it in detail. Volumes have been written about it and it does apply to The Villages.

William Bratten, the former NYPD Commisioner who is given credit for significantly improving conditions in NYC was a disciple of Wilson's "Broken Window theory'.

Your suggestion of, "[I]So what if a couple of cheaters use a community pool they are not entitled to use. Who cares if a couple of outsiders let their dogs run and crap in a Dog Park."[/I], is a spot on example and precisely the attitude that causes crime, decay and loss of property values in communities.

It is not a rich person problem as you arrogantly state. It is a problem for everyone who desires to live in a safe, secure, clean community.

Have a nice evening.

Steve9930 08-19-2013 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cabo35 (Post 729579)
James Q. Wilson, a famous social scientist authored the "Broken Windows" theory on crime and its proliferation. In a very short but precise excerpt the theory held as follows:

In Mr. Wilson’s metaphor —(in a neighborhood) "when a window is broken and someone fixes it, that is a sign that disorder will not be tolerated. But “one unrepaired broken window,” they wrote, “is a signal that no one cares, and so breaking more windows costs nothing.” I have understated the theory to make it brief for this forum. Feel free to explore it in detail. Volumes have been written about it and it does apply to The Villages.

William Bratten, the former NYPD Commisioner who is given credit for significantly improving conditions in NYC was a disciple of Wilson's "Broken Window theory'.

Your suggestion of, "So what if a couple of cheaters use a community pool they are not entitled to use. Who cares if a couple of outsiders let their dogs run and crap in a Dog Park.", is a spot on example and precisely the attitude that causes crime, decay and loss of property values in communities.

It is not a rich person problem as you arrogantly state. It is a problem for everyone who desires to live in a safe, secure, clean community.

Have a nice evening.

Your post is very true. It was a very simple explanation of a complex social problem. Very well done and quite effective.

janmcn 08-19-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 729516)
No irony, Ed, The Villages is designed to handle the golf cart traffic of it's residents, not all of the outlying communities. For The Villages cart traffic level, we are prepared.

Ed, if The Villages is required to provide cart path access all over because of the Paradise Dr. situation, would you be willing to pay for the extra costs this would mean to Village residents? Extra costs being an ID attendent at all pools, pickleball courts, tennis courts, golf courses, and so forth. The Villages does not require that type of manpower now but would surely require it if access is wide open to the paths.

Ed, if you owned your home in The Villages and not in Stonecrest, you would be on this side of the argument.



Up until the mid-2000's there were pool monitors at all the pools in The Villages, but these minimum wage part-time positions were done away with because they were too expensive, so they said. There was a big uproar over this at the time.

Another thread states that there is a meeting at 7:00pm in Fruitland Park about the proposed development of the dairy farm. It would seem that anyone who lives close to 466A would be better served to attend that meeting, since they will more directly effected by an additional 4000 people shopping at the Colony Publix.

Peachie 08-19-2013 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 729585)
Up until the mid-2000's there were pool monitors at all the pools in The Villages, but these minimum wage part-time positions were done away with because they were too expensive, so they said. There was a big uproar over this at the time.

Another thread states that there is a meeting at 7:00pm in Fruitland Park about the proposed development of the dairy farm. It would seem that anyone who lives close to 466A would be better served to attend that meeting, since they will more directly effected by an additional 4000 people shopping at the Colony Publix.

Watching over the years how the Morse family has grown and developed what is arguably the most beautiful community in north central FL by a long shot, I wouldn't worry one iota about them making an additional 4000 people shop at Colony Publix. The development would be planned beautifully, I guarantee it. Nope, don't know the Morse's, bless 'em.

Peachie 08-19-2013 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by EdV (Post 729547)

But I'll grant you one thing, you are tenacious.

And you too, Ed. Touche' ;-)

xNYer 08-19-2013 03:50 PM

Tax free bonds
 
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Originally Posted by truered58 (Post 729555)
If your roads were and cart paths were built with government tax free bonds then they are not private and that is why you can push a red or silver button at any gate and get in. They are not private, PERIOD!! Now if you would like us to pay a trail fee of $120.00 like you do a year I do not have a problem with that at all. Just saying.......Let's be happy please!!

The bonds indiduals paid when they purchase a home in The Villages which supported the infrastucture development are not tax free bonds. The tax tax free bonds issued by the VCCDD under dispute by the IRS relate to recreational and utility revenue bonds.
Roads maintained by the counties are public roads. (Marion County does not maintain those roads).
Golf cart paths are maintained through the use of amenity funds collected from Village residents which are also not tax deductable.
Your position would suggest that since tax free bonds were issued to purchase recreational facilities, anyone would be entitled to use thoseU facilities. It further implies that towns, counties, (or CDD's) are not allowed to restrict use to residents of their community.

Steve9930 08-19-2013 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 729612)
The bonds indiduals paid when they purchase a home in The Villages which supported the infrastucture development are not tax free bonds. The tax tax free bonds issued by the VCCDD under dispute by the IRS relate to recreational and utility revenue bonds.
Roads maintained by the counties are public roads. (Marion County does not maintain those roads).
Golf cart paths are maintained through the use of amenity funds collected from Village residents which are also not tax deductable.
Your position would suggest that since tax free bonds were issued to purchase recreational facilities, anyone would be entitled to use thoseU facilities. It further implies that towns, counties, (or CDD's) are not allowed to restrict use to residents of their community.

One hour and ten minutes to a resolution, hopefully.

JeffAVEWS 08-19-2013 03:56 PM

You talk about impact, the modern dairy farm I saw is not a bunch of cows standing in a pasture chewing grass! They are standing in a feed lot, fed a special diet, and get milked on a race track carousel, then back to the feed lot. Wait to you get a whiff of that!

Steve9930 08-19-2013 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffAVEWS (Post 729618)
You talk about impact, the modern dairy farm I saw is not a bunch of cows standing in a pasture chewing grass! They are standing in a feed lot, fed a special diet, and get milked on a race track carousel, then back to the feed lot. Wait to you get a whiff of that!

Is that called a free feature in a development?

Steve9930 08-19-2013 04:04 PM

You can tell everyone is already at the meeting. This thread is slowed down to a crawl. Wait till they get back. You will not be able to read the posts fast enough.......

EdV 08-19-2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 729612)
The bonds indiduals paid when they purchase a home in The Villages which supported the infrastucture development are not tax free bonds......

They most certainly were Tax Free Municipal Bonds. Where in the world did you come up with the idea that they weren't ?

This is tiring me out. I need a drink. Barkeep, make it a double.

Steve9930 08-19-2013 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EdV (Post 729627)
They most certainly were Tax Free Municipal Bonds. Where in the world did you come up with the idea that they weren't ?

This is tiring me out. I need a drink. Barkeep, make it a double.

You on your cell phone posting this? The meeting is only an hour away.....

Too bad someone could not bring up some live video....

JeffAVEWS 08-19-2013 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 729625)
Is that called a free feature in a development?

Someone posted that the people south of 466a would be better served going to a meeting in Fruitland Park about the dairy farm, I grabbed the wrong quote. sorry.

Steve9930 08-19-2013 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JeffAVEWS (Post 729632)
Someone posted that the people south of 466a would be better served going to a meeting in Fruitland Park about the dairy farm, I grabbed the wrong quote. sorry.

Yep, there's a another brew HAHA down in Fruitland Park......

justjim 08-19-2013 04:18 PM

XNYer: You make some good points. Everybody is entitled to their opinion or opinions on the subject of Multi Use Modal Trails in TV and Wheather they are open to the public to use the same as the roads and streets in TV. Some say yes and some say no they are different from the roads and streets. That appears to be the main issue debated here in this Thread. Frankly, it's above my "pay grade" to really know the answer to that question. Maybe, just maybe we will soon know the answer.

graciegirl 08-19-2013 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 729641)
XNYer: You make some good points. Everybody is entitled to their opinion or opinions on the subject of Multi Use Modal Trails in TV and Wheather they are open to the public to use the same as the roads and streets in TV. Some say yes and some say no they are different from the roads and streets. That appears to be the main issue debated here in this Thread. Frankly, it's above my "pay grade" to really know the answer to that question. Maybe, just maybe we will soon know the answer.

Ah. The posts after the meeting.....What if the answer is NOT what some of the more prolific posters wanted to hear??

Do you think the posters who didn't get the "right" answer will quietly disappear or will we get some interesting "spin"?

Life is sure interesting in these parts! ;):pepper2:

SpicyCajunPugs 08-19-2013 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 729646)
Ah. The posts after the meeting.....What if the answer is NOT what some of the more prolific posters wanted to hear??

Do you think the posters who didn't get the "right" answer will quietly disappear or will we get some interesting "spin"?

Life is sure interesting in these parts! ;):pepper2:

Now Gracie, we are pretty sure you know the answer to that !!! HA, HA:rant-rave::swear::pray:

EdV 08-19-2013 04:32 PM

The main issue in this thread is not about the multi-modal paths. It’s about whether or not a restrictive gate limited to Villagers can now be placed in that path.

And the Lady Lake town meeting is actually geared towards the fact that the wall was put up without a permit.

But from my standpoint, I’m hoping that the town rules that this is an established right of way and no barriers, fixed or selective may be laced there. We’ll see.

buggyone 08-19-2013 04:41 PM

The Multi-Modal Trails are Private Property. This was an entire paragraph in EdV's manifesto.

njbchbum 08-19-2013 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 729612)
The bonds indiduals paid when they purchase a home in The Villages which supported the infrastucture development are not tax free bonds. The tax tax free bonds issued by the VCCDD under dispute by the IRS relate to recreational and utility revenue bonds.
Roads maintained by the counties are public roads. (Marion County does not maintain those roads).
Golf cart paths are maintained through the use of amenity funds collected from Village residents which are also not tax deductable.
Your position would suggest that since tax free bonds were issued to purchase recreational facilities, anyone would be entitled to use thoseU facilities. It further implies that towns, counties, (or CDD's) are not allowed to restrict use to residents of their community.

x - from the villages district gov website:
"The infrastructure of the District in which you live was built with tax-exempt bonds. The bonds are repaid with monies collected in the annual tax bill sent out by the Sumter or Marion County Tax Collector's office and appear in the Non-Ad Valorem section of the tax bill as "Bond Debt Assessment"."

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-19-2013 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OldManTime (Post 729159)
Put all the half truths, and misleading information to bed, at the Town of Lady Lake Commission meeting at 6 pm tonight

I wouldn't bet on it.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-19-2013 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve9930 (Post 729338)
He can and not only that but he can give you a DUI.

From what I understand this is not the case if you are on one of the multi modal paths. Am I wrong about that?

spk7951 08-19-2013 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EdV (Post 729651)
The main issue in this thread is not about the multi-modal paths. It’s about whether or not a restrictive gate limited to Villagers can now be placed in that path.

And the Lady Lake town meeting is actually geared towards the fact that the wall was put up without a permit.

But from my standpoint, I’m hoping that the town rules that this is an established right of way and no barriers, fixed or selective may be laced there. We’ll see.


If the Sumter County Sheriffs office, a branch of the Sumter County government, says the cart paths are private property then I prefer to adhere to their opinion.
The issue of the private or public cart paths became an issue by some upset at a gate possibly going up.
Last but not least should the resolution 98-106, or whatever it is, be said to not allow a gate my question then is just what exactly precludes the parties responsible from changing or eliminating said resolution?

EdV 08-19-2013 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by spk7951 (Post 729676)
If the Sumter County Sheriffs office, a branch of the Sumter County government, says the cart paths are private property then I prefer to adhere to their opinion.
The issue of the private or public cart paths became an issue by some upset at a gate possibly going up.
Last but not least should the resolution 98-106, or whatever it is, be said to not allow a gate my question then is just what exactly precludes the parties responsible from changing or eliminating said resolution?

That’s not what the Sheriff’s office said. They have traffic jurisdiction over two types of properties. Those that are owned by the county in which they serve and those that are owned by entities in their county that have formally requested traffic jurisdiction.

Look, you know all those stop signs in the parking areas all over the place down here. Well if Publix that owns a parking lot formally requests traffic jurisdiction in there then a deputy can issue you a stop sign violation. But if Publix doesn’t grant that jurisdiction, it doesn’t change the public access status of that parking lot now does it.

justjim 08-19-2013 05:29 PM

Don't you have to travel on a multi Modal Trail from paradise dr to the bridge and from the bridge to a street in Spanish Springs? I have been over there a few times to The golf course and seems like that is the case. If the multi Modal Trails are private property of the CDD'S then a gate could be erected anywhere along the trail. Oh no, not another can of worms! Of course, I'm probably wrong about this.

babyjayne 08-19-2013 05:40 PM

How come Stone Crest has a gated golf cart path into its facilities. By mistake, I got locked in after going through an open gate and could not get out. But, many people want access to TV....HMMMMM.


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