OMG they can't seize your home or evict you.
God what planet did you come from.
They can fine and penalize to convince you to comply.
If you feel it to be unfair then you can take them to court. Furthermore they are not Jesus Christ himself!
It takes a lot to fine you and they better be spot on, most of there enforcement is intimidation.
If your, wrong then take in down if you are right stand up for your rights.
There are restrictions they try to impose that are preempted by state and Federal laws. to give examples Religious beliefs, outside antenna, close-line. etc...
You own your property PERIOD and no one can take it from you, including they have no right to come on it without your permission and the easements are only for the said person on your deed!

OK I was done responding to this thread but that was funny :1rotfl::1rotfl:

Don't know where you get your info, but so much incorrect info in your post. for example- deed restrictions run with the land and are not related to any person. That is why they are of record in the court house. Religious yard displays are not exempt. etc.

Well said!

Sometimes I like all you crazy guys and sometimes I just love you.

Totally removed, thank goodness. I always shared your concerns. They have a swimming pool now; much better than the previous plants.

Are you implying they can evict someone from their property after they legally "go through a whole different process"?

There's such a thing as eminent domain, and violating a lawn ornament rule in a retirement community doesn't qualify for that. It's a legal thing that has nothing to do with this thread, but it does in fact exist.

I just assumed you were confusing that, with penalties for violating community rules.

Honestly, I don't like having to look at all the crosses. Nothing like wearing "it" on your sleeve. I say nothing and just endure them.

Excellent point. :thumbup:


Or the Islamic symbol, or a Satan symbol (if there is such a thing), or a raised black fist, or a...??


Anyway, I think most people get (even if they don't like it)...the point.


Which is, of course..."who gets to decide how the rules are ignored?" :ho:

I'm with you. :bigbow:

Well. Now we know how a couple people feel.

Me and my house?

We abide by the deed restrictions. :)

Without looking for the answer, I figured this would be the end result. Guess I was correct.

Home owners can use outside clothes lines? I had no idea. I've never seen one here.

No clothes lines, no antennae. Against the deed restrictions.

Antennas are protected by federal law-----closelines aren't.:popcorn:

That's Lake County. https://www.districtgov.org/images/D...n/lake/L-3.pdf section 2.8: "No television antennae of any kind are permitted in the development."
Here's one for a Sumter County division: https://www.districtgov.org/images/D...%201/S1-12.pdf section 2:14: "No aerials, satellite reception dishes, or antennae of any kind are permitted in the subdivision."

So - as I've said countless times already, which I'm sure many of you are tired of seeing: If the rules are incorrect, unenforceable, and unenforced, they need to be replaced.

If these rules are legally invalid, then they need to be eliminated because just having those rules in the documentation would be in violation of the law. People would be signing an agreement to abide by rules that are not legally allowed to exist. If they're legally permissible and you want them to be viable rules, then they need to be enforced. Unless no one wants these rules to exist, in which case they need to be voted off the documentation.

Do you even live here yet? Or has your husband changed his mind? Geez...

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They are still active restrictions that have been pre-empted in part by Federal or State Legislative actions or FCC regulatory directives.

I think this posts may out do POOP post. LMAO
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Who would do the voting?

I did not realize that we residents have the power to vote on the rules in TV.

Antennae are protected by Federal law.

Clotheslines are allowed by Florida law.

163.04 Energy devices based on renewable resources.—
(1) Notwithstanding any provision of this chapter or other provision of general or special law, the adoption of an ordinance by a governing body, as those terms are defined in this chapter, which prohibits or has the effect of prohibiting the installation of solar collectors, clotheslines, or other energy devices based on renewable resources is expressly prohibited.
(2) A deed restriction, covenant, declaration, or similar binding agreement may not prohibit or have the effect of prohibiting solar collectors, clotheslines, or other energy devices based on renewable resources from being installed on buildings erected on the lots or parcels covered by the deed restriction, covenant, declaration, or binding agreement. . . .

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You read it first on TOTV. :popcorn:
Good to know I guess; but I sincerely hope we don't end up with a sea of clotheslines. :ohdear:

Put them in the front yard and hang decorative rugs & sheets from them. :1rotfl:

And put out "ornaments" with solar cells on top that let them light up at night!

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How can someone who doesn’t live here be such an authority?

Hi Jazuela,

Because the "governing" of TV is unique, or relatively so, it can take some getting used to. I remember going to a meeting in 2007 when I had just begun to do my TV homework. In 2007 TV was about half the size it is now.

After that meeting, I still had questions. But I know myself well -- I always have asked questions -- since I started talking. I also catch myself overthinking some things. And, I must confess that sometimes I really like a good argument, er, debate. (Maybe some of this sounds familiar. :) )

Anyway, in 2007, we were not ready to buy yet, but 5 years later we did. But we kept the northern house, though we downsized there. I have said before though, and I will say it again, that I think there is a definite advantage to making the commitment to living year-round in TV if you are going to own. But we are at a point in our lives now where that probably will not happen.

Here I am, going on and on, when what I really want to present, for your consideration, is how I got my head around the way TV is run:

- I think of us as living in a corporation.

-Owning a house in TV is like owning stock in a corporation.

- All corporations make decisions that are intended to be in the best interest of the corporation itself. But a successful corporation will make its stockholders successful, too.

- "The Lifestyle" is the dividend paid to the "stockholders" in this "corporation" where we live.

- Views of what is expected from "The Lifestyle" dividend will vary by owner.

- Just like any stock that is owned for the dividend, if the stockholder sees the corporation cut the dividend, the stockholder can decide, individually, to hold or to sell.

(So far, so good, with the overall success of TV, even though there are things that make some "stockholders" unhappy.)

One of the things that made us decide to buy "stock" in TV was my observation of how things went during the housing crisis 10 years ago. Sales might have slowed some because it was taking longer for northerners to sell their homes. But, in the big picture, TV survived nicely. At the time, there were quite a few smaller retirement communities that were over-leveraged, resulting in lots of problems.

Even though, for me, TV now is feeling kind of too big, I do think there is a lot to be said for the momentum and planning. I think that is exactly what got TV through the housing crisis, unscathed.)

I have been around TOTV forever. I learned and have continued to learn things about TV. I do not know if I would buy now, maybe, maybe not. I find the rapid growth to be limiting but others cheer it on.

(Also, I am still in a snit about the loss of the Lifelong Learning College. I was there a lot. I know. I know I need to get over it.)

Anyway, Jazuela, you can see that there are those among us here who are not too happy with your posts. (Sometimes there are those who do not like my posts either.) When I saw the back and forth here, I had to smile and think about how it could have been fun to have you as a student. You like to think -- and debate -- and theorize. :)

For now though, I must quote a great philosopher:

You've got to know when to hold 'em,
Know when to fold 'em,
Know when to walk away,
Know when to run.


I have no doubt that you will do a lot more thinking. You will figure out whether "to hold" or "fold" by doing what works for you and yours -- together -- based on what is the known -- for the time being.

I wish you well in whatever you decide to do.

Boomer

PS: Also, the historic side is a wonderful nickname for the beginnings of TV. The history of Central Florida is not like New England history. I think the historic side has an advantage of being the most walkable part of TV. The streets look wider and the overall feel seems more relaxed.

:ho: Run Forrest Run :icon_wink:

Aw, CW, you quoted me before I got my editing done. (I bumped the dang submit key before I was finished. I really need to stop trying to do a bunch of things at the same time.)

Oh well, I still luv your avatar. 'tis a hoot and a half. :)

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aaaaaaaaaaaaugh!!!!!

Hey everybody, I just saw a dead horse in the Publix parking lot -- looks like it could use a beatin'.

Ohhhhhhhhh, nooooooo, now I am looking really bad. But I could not resist. I must apologize for my outburst:

There is no dead horse. That would be awful.

I like horses -- though they have been known to bite me.

And my apologies to whoever I stole that line from. I think I read it long ago here on TOTV when a thread had reached the definition of insanity -- and I have been right there with it in this one.

Babbling Boomer :loco:

nnDeed restrictions are binding on all properties that are subject to the same set of restrictions. Normally requires that 100% of owners of all properties subject to the same restrictions agree to changes, unless superseded by Federal, State or Local law.
Extremely difficult process to change.

ALL,
I never suggested changing the deed restrictions, I like the restrictions.

Also, I never suggested changing the way these are enforced by Community Standards.

What I was suggesting was a change in the REPORTING system, since this in the current implementation by Community Standards, I believe that this can be changed if enough people ask/demand a change. It has nothing to do with the existing deed restrictions or enforcement. My suggestion was to try to implement a way to limit "trolls" while still keeping anonymity for those reporting infractions.

There are a lot of very intelligent people here, and if we work together, i am sure that we could craft a system that would work better than the existing REPORTING system.

Just my humble opinion.

Also, I was not a victim of the most recent "troll" report, but I have a few friends that were, and I personally liked the items that were complained about.

Whose "likes" should prevail??? MHO= Restrictions as the now exist are fine, enforcement process is ok, I actually wish more complaints would be submitted and actions taken. Lots of Floridians love chain link fences.

Thread closed - Dead horse is starting to decompose

If you would like to report complaints you will be very busy. Just take your golf cart or your car with a paasenger on board and drive around each and every street in each village to note each address and each infraction. You will be surprised how many infractions you will see. Just looking at the number of bird statues all over the Villages will keep you very busy. But after you do this to your neighbors you will have opened up a bee hive as people love their neighbors small, tasteful bird statues. The real purpose of this deed reporting system is to provide a mechanism to stop people from putting a tank statue or 24 three foot trolls in their front yard. In fact if anyone actually does this and submits thousands of deed restriction violations to VCCD you would see changes come quickly. I agree, keep the deed restrictions in place, but look to improve the complaint reporting system.

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