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Bill14564 03-14-2024 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2311053)
Go solve those other problems. But that is off topic here. Don't hijack another thread.

There is nothing to be solved.

Taltarzac725 03-14-2024 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2311055)
If you move then your visiting family will be visiting elsewhere and you can feel they are safe.


As for tourists, those that visit me like to see the alligators. I can’t speak for any others and suggest they may not appreciate you speaking for them either.

I recall some Japanese tourists at John Chestnut Park in Palm Harbor taking pictures of one another while standing a foot if that from a rather good sized gator. John Chestnut Park borders Lake Tarpon which has a very large number of alligators.

LeRoySmith 03-14-2024 02:56 PM

I'm far more afraid of 150,000 elderly and possibly drunk folks on golf carts than I am of alligators. I can steer clear of the alligators but dodging the old codgers is tough.

vintageogauge 03-14-2024 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2311064)
I'm far more afraid of 150,000 elderly and possibly drunk folks on golf carts than I am of alligators. I can steer clear of the alligators but dodging the old codgers is tough.

Good Point LeRoy.

Topspinmo 03-14-2024 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2310960)
There is a pond near our post office. I have seen gators and people fishing. The Villages should ban fishing!

I seen gators on golf courses. Villages should ban golfing.

Topspinmo 03-14-2024 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LeRoySmith (Post 2311064)
I'm far more afraid of 150,000 elderly and possibly drunk folks on golf carts than I am of alligators. I can steer clear of the alligators but dodging the old codgers is tough.

IMO easier to dodge old villager than lightning fast gator.

Shipping up to Boston 03-14-2024 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2311074)
I seen gators on golf courses. Villages should ban golfing.

Oooh...that ones gonna hurt! ;)

Topspinmo 03-14-2024 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2311078)
Oooh...that ones gonna hurt! ;)

Just as outrageous as the other. :)

Laker14 03-14-2024 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2311047)
Then, as a Florida native, you know it was highly unlikely this gator would have attacked this man if he didn't have a fish in his hand. Heck, I can make the case he didn't attack the man at all, he was grabbing the fish for a snack and the man's arm got in the way. Only the very largest gators will possibly attack a full grown man unless he is provoked, feeding him, or during mating/nesting season.

without any real knowledge of what happened, I'm in agreement with you. I can't see how else the hand would be the target as opposed to a foot or a leg.

Laker14 03-14-2024 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2311074)
I seen gators on golf courses. Villages should ban golfing.

They should definitely ban gators from golfing.

BigDawgInLakeDenham 03-14-2024 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2311147)
They should definitely ban gators from golfing.

The gator was Muslim and was enforcing Sharia law. The man had stolen his fish.... so he cut his hand off.

dhdallas 03-14-2024 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2310942)
Perhaps it's time to value human life more than an alligator ?
When will people get upset over a problem that can mitigated? Will it take a child to get killed?

Sure, let's just go out & kill every known animal that might injure a human even though alligator attacks are extremely rare & usually the fault of the human due to stupidity. Humans are the most dangerous animal on the planet and the earth would be in better shape if humans were eliminated.

TeresaE 03-15-2024 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2310795)
Location was just east of Morse Rd. Next to the villages.
Alligator was located and shot dead. Man's hand was retrieved and taken to hospital where it was determined it could not be surgically reattached.
He is lucky to be alive, but permanently injured.
The witness accounts (summary) was the alligator appeared right before it attacked the man. There was no way to prevent the attack, other than not being there.
I bet he wishes that alligator had been removed from residential area for the overall safety of all humans.

It not possible to remove every gator from every pond. Another one will just take its place. And remember, it’s the one you DON’T see is the one you need to worry about.

But their behavior is very predictable. Just be aware and keep yourselves and especially your dogs away from the ponds for everyone’s safety.

defrey12 03-15-2024 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2310942)
Perhaps it's time to value human life more than an alligator ?
When will people get upset over a problem that can mitigated? Will it take a child to get killed?

It’s happened…at Disney no less. Bottom line: You can fix stupid. It’s public knowledge in Florida. STAY AWAY FROM THE PONDS. We invaded the gators’ 🐊 home. Deal with it.

Wilharm 03-15-2024 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2310960)
There is a pond near our post office. I have seen gators and people fishing. The Villages should ban fishing!

The Village's Freshwater Fishing Club encourages fishing in the ponds. Just held classes on how to fish the ponds.

defrey12 03-15-2024 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pondboy (Post 2310976)
When will people get upset over a problem that can mitigated? Will it take a child to get killed?

Common sense gun laws would be a good start. Any idea how many children have been killed because of the lack of ?

WHAT? Off topic. But as long as you brought it up: Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.

Sandy and Ed 03-15-2024 05:53 AM

Since The Villages is a private community and all ponds , etc are owned by The Villages why is there any issue with eradicating the problem here?? IMHO safety of the humans and DOMESTIC animals living here should be top priority. Not the survival of a cold blooded amphibian creature that attacks when not provoked. Blaming the victim as not having enough sense to be constantly on guard for being attacked while enjoying what should be a relatively safe environment????

Ele201 03-15-2024 06:06 AM

Have some empathy ❤️*🩹
 
I dislike victim blaming, as I see in some of the posts here. That’s because people are imperfect and make mistakes, and that’s part of the human condition. This man in Leesburg, we don’t know what he might struggle with and why he chose that activity. Here in The Villages, people are generally quite wary of ponds and other bodies of water, and what they likely contain.

Anyway, I feel for him, wish him well and hope that he will adapt well to his new situation.

Sandy and Ed 03-15-2024 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2311172)
Sure, let's just go out & kill every known animal that might injure a human even though alligator attacks are extremely rare & usually the fault of the human due to stupidity. Humans are the most dangerous animal on the planet and the earth would be in better shape if humans were eliminated.

Let’s not go overboard here! No don’t kill every alligator in the world to the point of extinction. Let’s get some gray area in here. Not black and white. Let’s just prevent alligators from inhabiting an over 55 retirement community where most folks averaging in their mid 69’s would like to relax and enjoy the idyllic lifestyle advertised and for which they pay without worrying about being eaten by a cold blooded predatory creature or having their companion domesticated pets eaten. Now doesn’t that sound more tempered?

defrey12 03-15-2024 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2311215)
Since The Villages is a private community and all ponds , etc are owned by The Villages why is there any issue with eradicating the problem here?? IMHO safety of the humans and DOMESTIC animals living here should be top priority. Not the survival of a cold blooded amphibian creature that attacks when not provoked. Blaming the victim as not having enough sense to be constantly on guard for being attacked while enjoying what should be a relatively safe environment????

You’re really not listening, are you? If you’re near a pond, with or without “Fluffy”, you’re essentially provoking them. They feed along the water’s edge.

golfing eagles 03-15-2024 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2311215)
Since The Villages is a private community and all ponds , etc are owned by The Villages why is there any issue with eradicating the problem here?? IMHO safety of the humans and DOMESTIC animals living here should be top priority. Not the survival of a cold blooded amphibian creature that attacks when not provoked. Blaming the victim as not having enough sense to be constantly on guard for being attacked while enjoying what should be a relatively safe environment????

There are almost ZERO unprovoked gator attacks. Even when male gators are more aggressive during mating season, they have little interest in humans----UNLESS you present food, or some other idiots have been feeding them, in which case they learn to associate people with food. In general, they are far more afraid of people that vice versa. Would you retrieve that golf ball my friend hit? No problem, that gator was in the water in 1/2 second. Would you slap a 9 footer's tail like Cody Gribble did at Bay Hill---no way!!!

Two Bills 03-15-2024 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2311215)
Since The Villages is a private community and all ponds , etc are owned by The Villages why is there any issue with eradicating the problem here?? IMHO safety of the humans and DOMESTIC animals living here should be top priority. Not the survival of a cold blooded amphibian creature that attacks when not provoked. Blaming the victim as not having enough sense to be constantly on guard for being attacked while enjoying what should be a relatively safe environment????

Build a wall around TV?
Netting overhead to guard against flying predators?
Shoot all predatory wild life within TV?
Incidents of gator or any wildlife attack is probably the lowest cause of death and injury of all incidents within TV.
You are more likely to be attacked by someone's pet than roaming wild animals.
TV is a safe an environment as any, and safer than most, but the minimal wildlife danger can be mitigated with basic common sense, not some knee-jerk reaction to something that happened elsewhere.

crash 03-15-2024 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2310808)
i feel for this guy, really, but who in their right mind fishes on the edge of a pond in Fl>? i would expect exactly that. poor gator was in his home, doing what gators do:shrug:

Every fisherman in the freshwater fishing club fishes in Florida. All the people fishing the stock ponds in the Villages.

Suppose you are not in your right mind if you go into the ocean more shark attacks than gators biting fisherman.

Sandy and Ed 03-15-2024 06:17 AM

Bottom line: Establishments, organizations and, yes, governments (etc) that cater to the masses (which include children or other at-risk folks) should do all they can to insure the environment is safe. That includes safe from bombs, fire, disease, crime, alien attacks, wild predatory animals, zombies, etc. Why do we keep putting the responsibility on to each person instead? “They should know better,etc”. “They” pay, vote for and expect the people at the top to insure safety.

Sandy and Ed 03-15-2024 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by defrey12 (Post 2311224)
You’re really not listening, are you? If you’re near a pond, with or without “Fluffy”, you’re essentially provoking them. They feed along the water’s edge.

But you wouldn’t be provoking them if they were not there would you?? YOU are not listening: more bluntly stated - eradicate, kill or otherwise remove every alligator within The Villages

golfing eagles 03-15-2024 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2311229)
Bottom line: Establishments, organizations and, yes, governments (etc) that cater to the masses (which include children or other at-risk folks) should do all they can to insure the environment is safe. That includes safe from bombs, fire, disease, crime, alien attacks, wild predatory animals, zombies, etc. Why do we keep putting the responsibility on to each person instead? “They should know better,etc”. “They” pay, vote for and expect the people at the top to insure safety.

OK, I get it. Another proponent of the Orwellian nightmare. Yes, "the government" will keep us safe. There was no significant crime in Oceania. The only individual responsibility was unquestioning loyalty and obedience to the state. No thanks, I'll take my chances with the gators (and especially the zombies:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::)

Sandy and Ed 03-15-2024 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2311226)
Build a wall around TV?
Netting overhead to guard against flying predators?
Shoot all predatory wild life within TV?
Incidents of gator or any wildlife attack is probably the lowest cause of death and injury of all incidents within TV.
You are more likely to be attacked by someone's pet than roaming wild animals.
TV is a safe an environment as any, and safer than most, but the minimal wildlife danger can be mitigated with basic common sense, not some knee-jerk reaction to something that happened elsewhere.

Again, another over the top black or white comment. No don’t kill all wild creatures on the planet or in The Villages. Leave the birds in the air. Let the snakes exist. Even those annual love bugs. Let’s just get rid of the alligators from our over 55 retirement community. OK. Mike drop!!!

Sandy and Ed 03-15-2024 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2311233)
OK, I get it. Another proponent of the Orwellian nightmare. Yes, "the government" will keep us safe. There was no significant crime in Oceania. The only individual responsibility was unquestioning loyalty and obedience to the state. No thanks, I'll take my chances with the gators (and especially the zombies:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::)

I give up. Got better things to do. Here’s your sign.

golfing eagles 03-15-2024 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2311235)
Again, another over the top black or white comment. No don’t kill all wild creatures on the planet or in The Villages. Leave the birds in the air. Let the snakes exist. Even those annual love bugs. Let’s just get rid of the alligators from our over 55 retirement community. OK. Mike drop!!!

Even the venomous snakes that can kill you???? Kind of discriminatory, don't you think????? (pick the mike up again)

Two Bills 03-15-2024 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2311229)
Bottom line: Establishments, organizations and, yes, governments (etc) that cater to the masses (which include children or other at-risk folks) should do all they can to insure the environment is safe. That includes safe from bombs, fire, disease, crime, alien attacks, wild predatory animals, zombies, etc. Why do we keep putting the responsibility on to each person instead? “They should know better,etc”. “They” pay, vote for and expect the people at the top to insure safety.

It's called personal responsibility.
It is a dying personal application that was inherent in most people until everything became someone else's fault.
This nanny state you advocate is the reason overdeveloped countries are dying from within.
People are so soft and reliant on being herded, told what is good for them, that they have nearly lost all personal means of self survival!.
How some people actually reach old age, in many cases, absolutely amazes me!

Shipping up to Boston 03-15-2024 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2311222)
Let’s not go overboard here! No don’t kill every alligator in the world to the point of extinction. Let’s get some gray area in here. Not black and white. Let’s just prevent alligators from inhabiting an over 55 retirement community where most folks averaging in their mid 69’s would like to relax and enjoy the idyllic lifestyle advertised and for which they pay without worrying about being eaten by a cold blooded predatory creature or having their companion domesticated pets eaten. Now doesn’t that sound more tempered?

Please explain where you have seen this model? To remove an animal from their habitat that multiplies to the millions? I suggest late posters do their due diligence and read ALL prior posts. You're on their land. You need to adapt...not them.

Desiderata 03-15-2024 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2311222)
Let’s not go overboard here! No don’t kill every alligator in the world to the point of extinction. Let’s get some gray area in here. Not black and white. Let’s just prevent alligators from inhabiting an over 55 retirement community where most folks averaging in their mid 69’s would like to relax and enjoy the idyllic lifestyle advertised and for which they pay without worrying about being eaten by a cold blooded predatory creature or having their companion domesticated pets eaten. Now doesn’t that sound more tempered?

More tempered, yes, but still unrealistic and unnecessary. How many gator attacks have you ever heard of in The Villages?

Gunny2403 03-15-2024 07:01 AM

I routinely watch golfers walk past the RED stakes to a pond ( behind my house ), take out a ball retriever and churn the water trying to get a golf ball. I usually yell and tell them the pond has a gator in it. They say thanks and keep doing it. Humans are not very smart when it comes to this.

Shipping up to Boston 03-15-2024 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Desiderata (Post 2311257)
More tempered, yes, but still unrealistic and unnecessary. How many gator attacks have you ever heard of in The Villages?

I'm a hack so there is no body of water or wooded area that I'm gonna risk personal safety over retrieving my Titleist. Unless you're a tour player, take the penalty. Gators, unarmed, are undefeated!

golfing eagles 03-15-2024 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Gunny2403 (Post 2311266)
I routinely watch golfers walk past the RED stakes to a pond ( behind my house ), take out a ball retriever and churn the water trying to get a golf ball. I usually yell and tell them the pond has a gator in it. They say thanks and keep doing it. Humans are not very smart when it comes to this.

Again, except in unusual circumstances, the gator has no interest in the golfer or his ball. But it is a good idea to scan the nearby water for gators before getting too close. If they are in a position to "attack" (which they probably won't do), they are pretty obvious.

When was the last time a golfer retrieving a golf ball was attacked by a gator???? Anyone????

golfing eagles 03-15-2024 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2311272)
I'm a hack so there is no body of water or wooded area that I'm gonna risk personal safety over retrieving my Titleist. Unless you're a tour player, take the penalty. Gators, unarmed, are undefeated!

If you're a "hack", save the money and play Top Flites or Pinnacles :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

LeRoySmith 03-15-2024 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2311235)
Mike drop!!!

This is why we cant have nice things! That audio equipment is expensive.

Shipping up to Boston 03-15-2024 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2311275)
If you're a "hack", save the money and play Top Flites or Pinnacles :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Boston area company. I buy local! ;)

LPeaslee 03-15-2024 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2310865)
I'm just speculating here, but since it got his hand and not a foot, it makes me wonder if the fisherman had reached down to "lip" the fish out of the water, at water's edge at exactly the wrong moment.I can't fathom how else it would get his hand rather than a more convenient body part.

I often see fishermen fishing along the edge of the pond by the Poinciana mailboxes. I feel bad for the guy who lost his hand, but unless he lives in a cave he was aware of some risk fishing along the edge of a pond in Florida.

In an article I read ,the witness said he was removing the fish from the hook,whivh would make sense

Jbellio 03-15-2024 08:04 AM

Removal of Alligators that reach over 6 feet
 
I lived in a community in Bonita and they removed any gators over 6 feet in length. I have seen some over 10 feet in ponds in TV while golfing.
I am in favor or removal... we have a nice community and I often have grand children down to visit. we can tell them about the dangers all day long but they are kids.


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