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Shipping up to Boston 03-15-2024 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2311527)
Part of TV is in Leesburg, so it is just down the road. Almost like next door.

I know that but we have a few, not many, that like to parachute into existing threads with out reading them in entirety....before commenting

fdpaq0580 03-15-2024 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2311528)
I know that but we have a few, not many, that like to parachute into existing threads with out reading them in entirety....before commenting

True! I've done that, only to find I duplicated someone else's comment almost to a tea. I was, appropriately, embarrassed.

Shipping up to Boston 03-15-2024 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2311531)
True! I've done that, only to find I duplicated someone else's comment almost to a tea. I was, appropriately, embarrassed.

Rare, but I have to

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2310795)
Location was just east of Morse Rd. Next to the villages.
Alligator was located and shot dead. Man's hand was retrieved and taken to hospital where it was determined it could not be surgically reattached.
He is lucky to be alive, but permanently injured.
The witness accounts (summary) was the alligator appeared right before it attacked the man. There was no way to prevent the attack, other than not being there.
I bet he wishes that alligator had been removed from residential area for the overall safety of all humans.

In my opinion any alligator over 4 feet long should be trapped or shot and sold to a restaurant. The problem is that some dumb newbees to Florida think that BIG gators are cute. And some even feed them. That kind of attitudes end up with some adult without a hand or some small dog or small human ending up in a gator's stomach.

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2310808)
i feel for this guy, really, but who in their right mind fishes on the edge of a pond in Fl>? i would expect exactly that. poor gator was in his home, doing what gators do:shrug:

The poor gator needs to be in a national forest or some wilderness area AWAY from dense people population. Both humans and gators have a right to exist - just not in overlapping territories.

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 2310909)
I feel bad for the fisherman but safety starts at home, no one should be fishing in a pond known to have alligators, there have been warnings about this for years but some people think they know better. The way to prevent the attack is to not fish in the ponds and to stay away from them.

That would mean that nobody could fish anywhere in Florida. Funny, I seem to see a lot of rods and reals for sale in Walmart and other stores.

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2310943)
Arctic Ocean???😂😂😂

Yes, the famous large ICE GATORS.

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2310950)
Thank You :beer3:

The problem could be easily solved by trapping any Gator 4 foot or greater in length and eating them at local restaurants.

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2310960)
There is a pond near our post office. I have seen gators and people fishing. The Villages should ban fishing!

After you ban fishing, you would have to ban all boats in the lakes and model boats and row boats. I think it would be easier to eliminate Gators over 4 feet.

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 2310989)
And then there's the water moccasins, ponds are where both live and anyone who. allows a child to be near a body of water in Florida should be shipped north.

Water moccasins are not as aggressive or as large as gators.

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvtheVillages (Post 2311000)
If you remove a few thousand gators living near people, another few thousand will move into the area. Even if you put a fence around every pond, the gators can climb fences.

You can no more control the location of gators than you can control the location of geckos.

Also - gators play a big role in the balance of nature. They are a top predator, controlling the population of fish, turtles, ducks, and more.

Do you also want to get rid of the panthers, bears, and coyotes?

What a messed up state we would have.

You can't control ALL the gators, but you could control those 4 feet or over. The under 4 foot long ones could maintain the balance of nature.

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TeresaE (Post 2311201)
It not possible to remove every gator from every pond. Another one will just take its place. And remember, it’s the one you DON’T see is the one you need to worry about.

But their behavior is very predictable. Just be aware and keep yourselves and especially your dogs away from the ponds for everyone’s safety.

Alligators are among the most unpredictable animals there are! Try walking around a swamp AT NIGHT.

golfing eagles 03-15-2024 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2311581)
The problem could be easily solved by trapping any Gator 4 foot or greater in length and eating them at local restaurants.

Let me guess: A huge government bureaucracy could be set up to identify, trap and remove those gators, all in the name of keeping people safe (from their own stupidity).

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wilharm (Post 2311209)
The Village's Freshwater Fishing Club encourages fishing in the ponds. Just held classes on how to fish the ponds.

How to fish the ponds safely. Simple. stay 50 feet back from the water's edge and launch a drone with your fishing line and a bait and a bobbin rig. Have the drone drop the bait and hook and then use binoculars to watch the bobbin and wait for a fish.......good luck !!!!!!!!

LeRoySmith 03-15-2024 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2311599)
Let me guess: A huge government bureaucracy could be set up to identify, trap and remove those gators, all in the name of keeping people safe (from their own stupidity).

Like government cheese, government gator bites!

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2311233)
OK, I get it. Another proponent of the Orwellian nightmare. Yes, "the government" will keep us safe. There was no significant crime in Oceania. The only individual responsibility was unquestioning loyalty and obedience to the state. No thanks, I'll take my chances with the gators (and especially the zombies:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::)

I wonder would a zombie kill a gator or vice versa. Maybe we should stock the lakes with zombies?

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jbellio (Post 2311317)
I lived in a community in Bonita and they removed any gators over 6 feet in length. I have seen some over 10 feet in ponds in TV while golfing.
I am in favor or removal... we have a nice community and I often have grand children down to visit. we can tell them about the dangers all day long but they are kids.

Exactly. And let's make that 4 feet rather than 6 feet.

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2311382)
About 5 years ago I tripped over the tail of a 7 footer on #5 of Caroline looking for my drive that ran through the fairway and into the rough short of the pond---my fault for not paying attention. That gator was very quick---set a new record for the 50 yard alligator dash---running away to the water. They simply aren't that interested in humans except in the circumstances I already outlined.

All animals. Especially predators are extremely unpredictable. 4 out of 5 might run, but the 5th one attacks from an unseen location. Even large animals in low or high grass can be practically invisible.

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by d1nod1no (Post 2311501)
American alligators were once threatened by extinction, but after being placed on the endangered species list in 1967, their population increased. This species is now classified as least concern. The main threat to these reptiles today is habitat loss caused by wetland drainage and development.

Which brings them closer to man.

jimjamuser 03-15-2024 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2311599)
Let me guess: A huge government bureaucracy could be set up to identify, trap and remove those gators, all in the name of keeping people safe (from their own stupidity).

Trappers get paid by the restaurants. Government NOT necessarily involved. It's the All-American profit motive!

huntervonmanley 03-15-2024 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2311337)
More info about the victim. He was 52 and visiting from New Jersey.
Was warned to beware of the alligators. Did not understand that alligators attack unprovoked. Did not see the alligator until it was attacking him.

If that alligator was removed, this would not have happened. This WAS preventable.


Or, if he stayed in New Jersey this would also not have happened.

fdpaq0580 03-15-2024 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2311578)
The poor gator needs to be in a national forest or some wilderness area AWAY from dense people population. Both humans and gators have a right to exist - just not in overlapping territories.

The poor gator is slave to many millions of years of instinctual behavior. They move according to instincts. Mate according to instincts. They get food, protect their young, in general live their lives according to millions of years of instinct. They only exist in their current situation. Humans choose where they live. Gators don't know any better. If you remove all the gators. It won't be long until new gators move in. Less expensive and safer is to teach gator awareness. We are the ones invading their territory. As you said we both have a right to exist. They can't learn new behaviors. We can!

fdpaq0580 03-15-2024 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2311611)
Which brings them closer to man.

You've got it backwards. Gators aren't being brought closer to humans. Developers are bringing humans closer to to gators. The onus is on humans to learn the pros and cons of where they move to.

JMintzer 03-16-2024 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2311574)
In my opinion any alligator over 4 feet long should be trapped or shot and sold to a restaurant. The problem is that some dumb newbees to Florida think that BIG gators are cute. And some even feed them. That kind of attitudes end up with some adult without a hand or some small dog or small human ending up in a gator's stomach.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2311581)
The problem could be easily solved by trapping any Gator 4 foot or greater in length and eating them at local restaurants.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2311584)
After you ban fishing, you would have to ban all boats in the lakes and model boats and row boats. I think it would be easier to eliminate Gators over 4 feet.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2311592)
You can't control ALL the gators, but you could control those 4 feet or over. The under 4 foot long ones could maintain the balance of nature.

Just to avoid any confusion... You're suggesting 4' as the limit?

JMintzer 03-16-2024 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2311610)
All animals. Especially predators are extremely unpredictable. 4 out of 5 might run, but the 5th one attacks from an unseen location. Even large animals in low or high grass can be practically invisible.

Terrifying creatures...

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Bill14564 03-16-2024 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2311867)
Just to avoid any confusion... You're suggesting 4' as the limit?

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2311869)

I'm still not signing up to hold the tape measure.

golfing eagles 03-16-2024 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2311869)

Yep, Cody Gribble was terrified.

Meanwhile, for JJ, it's not 1/5 of the time the gator acts in an unpredictable manor, it's 1/50,000. They are pretty predictable---if you have food, they might try to grab it from you, including any of your parts that get in the way. If you approach their young, they will defend them. If you get between a male and female during mating season, watch out (no different for humans :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:). Otherwise , they will run away from you as fast as they can.

fdpaq0580 03-16-2024 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2311610)
All animals. Especially predators are extremely unpredictable. 4 out of 5 might run, but the 5th one attacks from an unseen location. Even large animals in low or high grass can be practically invisible.

I am a moderate sized animal. It doesn't seem to matter how tall the grass is, the police always find me. 😏😏😏

Two Bills 03-16-2024 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2311611)
Which brings them closer to man.

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Shipping up to Boston 03-16-2024 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2311879)
Yep, Cody Gribble was terrified.

Meanwhile, for JJ, it's not 1/5 of the time the gator acts in an unpredictable manor, it's 1/50,000. They are pretty predictable---if you have food, they might try to grab it from you, including any of your parts that get in the way. If you approach their young, they will defend them. If you get between a male and female during mating season, watch out (no different for humans :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:). Otherwise , they will run away from you as fast as they can.

On that note.....the gators mating season in TV commences in April and hatching sometime in August. Save the dates

Dusty_Star 03-16-2024 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2311215)
Since The Villages is a private community and all ponds , etc are owned by The Villages why is there any issue with eradicating the problem here?? IMHO safety of the humans and DOMESTIC animals living here should be top priority. Not the survival of a cold blooded amphibian creature that attacks when not provoked. Blaming the victim as not having enough sense to be constantly on guard for being attacked while enjoying what should be a relatively safe environment????

💯 !!!

:boom:

fdpaq0580 03-16-2024 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2311869)

What do you figure? 6 feet, more or less?

Shipping up to Boston 03-16-2024 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2312024)
💯 !!!

:boom:

Just for clarification.....TV at last count has 450 lakes and ponds? Correct me. You want the property, 35 square miles eradicated because of a single issue? Btw..should the developer assume the costs associated with said removal or don’t you think (playing along with this pie in the sky scenario) that they would throw another line item into your ‘fees’ to accomplish that fete....plus the costs for deploying TV border patrols to prevent reentry?!

Shipping up to Boston 03-16-2024 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2312030)
Just for clarification.....TV at last count has 450 lakes and ponds? Correct me. You want the property, 35 square miles eradicated because of a single issue? Btw..should the developer assume the costs associated with said removal or don’t you think (playing along with this pie in the sky scenario) that they would throw another line item into your ‘fees’ to accomplish that fete....plus the costs for deploying TV border patrols to prevent reentry?!

Typo on 450......stand to be corrected on totals...lakes and ponds

Dusty_Star 03-16-2024 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Shipping up to Boston (Post 2312030)
Just for clarification.....TV at last count has 450 lakes and ponds? Correct me. You want the property, 35 square miles eradicated because of a single issue? Btw..should the developer assume the costs associated with said removal or don’t you think (playing along with this pie in the sky scenario) that they would throw another line item into your ‘fees’ to accomplish that fete....plus the costs for deploying TV border patrols to prevent reentry?!

The retention ponds should be cleared. Leave the swamps alone. The CDDs will have to hire or allow hunters to harvest the gators from the retention ponds.

The harvest will have to be repeated from time to time. It will be an ongoing expense.

That's it. I never suggested any nonsense about preventing reentry or eradicating the horrific reptiles, just reduce the population to ensure resident safety.

The reptile involved in the disastrous hand attack was a little over 9 feet. It was also NOT in The Villages. My opinion is that it should have been turned into shoes a long time ago.

This is not a single issue. Check the history. We have had this argument for a while. There are those who say: Leave them alone, they were here first, & those who say: This is a retirement community made up of older folks who are no longer as spry, fast, observant, etc. as they once were. Make it as safe as reasonable.

It will not be solved by a discussion forum. Just decide which side you are on.

Shipping up to Boston 03-16-2024 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2312035)
The retention ponds should be cleared. Leave the swamps alone. The CDDs will have to hire or allow hunters to harvest the gators from the retention ponds.

The harvest will have to be repeated from time to time. It will be an ongoing expense.

That's it. I never suggested any nonsense about preventing reentry or eradicating the horrific reptiles, just reduce the population to ensure resident safety.

The reptile involved in the disastrous hand attack was a little over 9 feet. It was also NOT in The Villages. My opinion is that it should have been turned into shoes a long time ago.

This is not a single issue. Check the history. We have had this argument for a while. There are those who say: Leave them alone, they were here first, & those who say: This is a retirement community made up of older folks who are no longer as spry, fast, observant, etc. as they once were. Make it as safe as reasonable.

It will not be solved by a discussion forum. Just decide which side you are on.

I’m not a wildlife expert nor biologist. Not sure size matters in this particular thread! I would much rather convene a meeting of qualified minds to determine best course action as it is not as simple as you suggest. There are eco issues to consider as well. As far as choosing sides, I will always choose common sense over hysteria

fdpaq0580 03-16-2024 06:30 PM

For some perspective for those who want gators eradicated. On average there are between 7 to 10 gator attacks each year nation wide. There are 4.5 million dog attacks/bites, 100,000 plus needing medical care, and over 33 fatalities as a result of dog attacks in the US annually.
Maybe you are singling out the wrong savage beast for persecution and annihilation.

😕

dhdallas 03-16-2024 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Maker (Post 2310942)
Perhaps it's time to value human life more than an alligator ?
When will people get upset over a problem that can mitigated? Will it take a child to get killed?

Then by your reasoning we better kill every dog too. Across the United States, there are more than 89 million dogs and 4.5 million dog bites that occur each year, and at least half the dog bites are on children.

Two Bills 03-17-2024 06:22 AM

Far too many posters offering solutions to a problem that basically, does not, has not, and will not exist in TV, if the minority just learn to live with their surroundings, and learn to use a bit of the old gray matter!

Maker 03-17-2024 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2311417)
respectfully,...even if you did that, there would still be some you missed. it's an impossible task, & easier to just assume they are there & act accordingly. it's not up to us to go randomly killing everything to suit our needs, -what would be left?

If it was open for trappers to take them, there would be less. Perhaps only a few, Repeat as needed and overall it's safer.

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2311448)
some of us just don't feel good about killing things. where would you move them to? killing them just because they are there seems brutal & cruel. it can't be done.

Eating things like chicken, beef, pork, bacon, turkey, duck, ...

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Originally Posted by d1nod1no (Post 2311501)
American alligators were once threatened by extinction, but after being placed on the endangered species list in 1967, their population increased. This species is now classified as least concern. The main threat to these reptiles today is habitat loss caused by wetland drainage and development.

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2311578)
The poor gator needs to be in a national forest or some wilderness area AWAY from dense people population. Both humans and gators have a right to exist - just not in overlapping territories.

There are millions already there. There is no threat to the population by removing ones around residents homes.
In the entire area being under construction, there were no alligators there. No retention ponds either. Now that many have been built, alligators are there. Alligators were not first.

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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2312081)
Then by your reasoning we better kill every dog too. Across the United States, there are more than 89 million dogs and 4.5 million dog bites that occur each year, and at least half the dog bites are on children.

The topic is alligators. There are plenty of other ways people are killed. Drunk drivers, criminal gangs, etc. Please go solve those other issues in a thread about them, not in a thread about alligators.

There is no cost to us for this to happen. The alligator itself has value on the open market. Trappers would love to be allowed to come here at no cost to us.


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