[rubicon]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Possibly true. But does anyone know just what the relationship between "the developer" and the LLLC is? "The developer" is not a defendant in the lawsuit, the VCS is.

The invisible hand. there are a number of ways to maintain control without appearing legally or otherwise to have control..in that way you have the best of both worlds

[JGVillages]

Originally Posted by rivaridger1

I am not defending anyone's actions in this post but the fact of the matter is the governmental agencies in The Villages play " lip service " to accommodating the handicapped and disabled and about the only way to get them redress a problem is to start citing the ADA with the promise of filing complaints with the federal government. We had a situation earlier this year were the lift chairs at three close by area pools had not been maintained and stopped operating correctly. There was no rush to fix them despite numerous written complaints and it was suggested that there are many pools in The Villages, so why don't you go and find one with an operating lift chair. All well and good, except for the fact you are telling a disabled person to do that. Even with that said, one of the lift chairs is still a danger to anyone using it unaware of the particular issue creating this situation. That is in spite of the fact the defect was personally pointed out to one of the recreation center directors. The reality
is most people would prefer the disabled remain behind closed doors and out of sight giving little thought to the fact we all are guaranteed to ultimately face that same eventuality.

Seems The Villages, by installing Lift Chairs at numerous pools is not paying "lip service" but accommodating a need for the handicapped. Maintenance will need to happen periodically and it may not be an priority to quickly repair a "specific" chair because there are numerous others available at nearby pools. The maintenance staff, which has multitudes of repair requests because of the multitudes of resident available facilities, has to prioritize. Just be happy because of the multiple facilities within The Villages that other alternative sites are usually available.

[trichard]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

I, personally, find this last sentence (above) to be extremely offensive. There are very few people in this world who will ignore "need" on the part of a fellow man. In my case it never enters my mind to stand back if I can be of help.

Strongly agree! Another activist position.

[trichard]

Originally Posted by rexxfan

The developer (or whomever) had no fiscally-sensible choice in my view. Others will no doubt conclude its just another example of the heartlessness of the evil rich.
--
Bob C

Agree.

[rubicon]

I pointed out earlier that the federal government (EEO) demands are absolute. There are no limitations to reasonableness only excuses.

There are several logical reasons why TV shut this lawsuit down and one would be precedent for future claims of this sort. Another reason would be money and another would piercing The Villages Lake Sumter, Inc (TVLSI) bubble created by and for TVLSI to shield this entity from lawsuits. Perhaps the plaintiffs were getting too close for comfort. I say this because the lead plaintiff has taken it upon himself to become a professional litigant againstTVLSI, et al. there is perhaps a method to this plaintiff's madness and perhaps someone in the background funding him?????

given my years exposed to lawsuits and dealing with the EEO I have learned to assume nothing and expect anything

[Buffalo Jim]

Originally Posted by Putt4Dough

“I am deeply saddened that the Lifelong Learning College has chosen to retaliate against members of the deaf community in The Villages by closing its doors,” said Louis Schwarz, a longtime leader in the deaf community.

This quote shows you where Louis is at, its all about him and his community, no mention of the 18,000 Villagers affected.

Actually far mote than 18,000 people are impacted . The 18K number was just those who take courses over a fixed period of time .

It`s conceivable that 3 times that number of individuals would take 1 course or more from the Life Long Learning program over a 2 to 3 year period .

This is an extremely unfortunate and unfair loss to our community . I was a student for several courses each year and enjoyed them all very much .
I trust that the people who destroyed this major community asset are quite pleased and proud of themselves .
And I am not buying the statement from one of the major activists which was published in another forum[s] .
This is unfortunately yet another example of activism and the court system and government run amuck . It is nothing less than " Tyranny by a very small Minority " . Small in numbers and very small minded . A pure selfish act by a few of our " neighbors " .

[Bonnevie]

[QUOTE=Putt4Dough;1329011]“I am deeply saddened that the Lifelong Learning College has chosen to retaliate against members of the deaf community in The Villages by closing its doors,” said Louis Schwarz, a longtime leader in the deaf community.

I don't see it as retaliation. I see it as a need to protect the Charter School. They wanted injunctive relief, maybe it's not the kind they wanted, but they got it. Now everything is equal....nobody benefits from the LLC. I suspect it's more difficult to get the compensation they want when the entity no longer exists.

[xNYer]

I may be misreading the lawsuit, but it appears as if the Villages had the plaintiffs case dismissed except for one item. The plaintiffs request for reasonable accomadation had sufficient evidence for the issues to be evaluated. The plaintiffs did not win, but were given the opportunity to contest the contention that it was an undue burden to provide the accomadation requested.

Without any prior notice to the community, it was decided to close the LLC and not proceed to trial. This seems very curious, unless I am misreading the court document.

I would appreciate further details.

[Madelaine Amee]

Originally Posted by xNYer

I may be misreading the lawsuit, but it appears as if the Villages had the plaintiffs case dismissed except for one item. The plaintiffs request for reasonable accomadation had sufficient evidence for the issues to be evaluated. The plaintiffs did not win, but were given the opportunity to contest the contention that it was an undue burden to provide the accomadation requested.

Without any prior notice to the community, it was decided to close the LLC and not proceed to trial. This seems very curious, unless I am misreading the court document.

I would appreciate further details.

IMHO there is a huge amount of information which we will never be privy to and, probably, should never be privy to, after all we are just residents of a retirement community; but I believe the Developer has the best available legal representation and I am sure they did what had to be done in order to bring closure.

[xNYer]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

IMHO there is a huge amount of information which we will never be privy to and, probably, should never be privy to, after all we are just residents of a retirement community; but I believe the Developer has the best available legal representation and I am sure they did what had to be done in order to bring closure.

How would any of us know that they did what had to be done.

[maryanna630]

This is a very sad thing for me. One year ago i signed up for Caron and Jack Kriers chair yoga. I had been incapacitated with a hip problem and was quite despondent. That class was a miracle for me and I preregistered for the entire next year. In that class I met people in wheel chairs, people with walkers and canes, people recuperating from strokes etc etc. Caron is the most inspiring loving teacher along with her husband, Jack, who is totally blind and being treated for leukemia. I came to rediscover joy and the courage in the human heart. We did yoga, yes, but also meditated, laughed, supported eavh other etc.As Caron often says, th class is not about the outer body and the costume we wear in this life, but rather the immortal and beautiful soul inside. We are all reminded in her class to assist others in their earth walk because we are all on it.
She teaches many yoga classes and all are full with waiting lists. What a shame for all of us and particularly for Caron and Jack. They had no idea and are totally devestated. My heart bleeds for my friends in that class who will have their lives further limited including the joy we experienced each week.

[villagetinker]

OK, I know there are former lawyers on ToTV, so I am going to ask the question, do we (the 120,000 minus 32) have a case for a class action suit against the former plaintiffs for the loss of the LLLC and all of its benefits? If so what or how would be the best way to pursue this? Is then even practical?

I see this as the really big hammer if the parties to this situation cannot get together and fix it before the infrastructure for the LLLC completely disappears.

[pauld315]

Somebody from this group needs to start organizing immediately ( a retired lawyer would be a good choice to head it up ) to try to stop this. If this means a lawsuit against the original plaintiffs or whatever, this is a huge blow to the future of TV. Who is going to step up and lead the effort, conduct meetings, get Villagers involved etc ?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by pauld315

Somebody from this group needs to start organizing immediately ( a retired lawyer would be a good choice to head it up ) to try to stop this. If this means a lawsuit against the original plaintiffs or whatever, this is a huge blow to the future of TV. Who is going to step up and lead the effort, conduct meetings, get Villagers involved etc ?

I do not see any basis for lawsuit against the plaintiffs in this matter. And one against the Developer et al., would be something very hard to do by someone who lives in the Villages.

Write your CDD Supervisors and others who might be able to stop the Lifelong Learning College from shutting down completely.

[MSNPA]

Originally Posted by maryanna630

This is a very sad thing for me. One year ago i signed up for Caron and Jack Kriers chair yoga. I had been incapacitated with a hip problem and was quite despondent. That class was a miracle for me and I preregistered for the entire next year. In that class I met people in wheel chairs, people with walkers and canes, people recuperating from strokes etc etc. Caron is the most inspiring loving teacher along with her husband, Jack, who is totally blind and being treated for leukemia. I came to rediscover joy and the courage in the human heart. We did yoga, yes, but also meditated, laughed, supported eavh other etc.As Caron often says, th class is not about the outer body and the costume we wear in this life, but rather the immortal and beautiful soul inside. We are all reminded in her class to assist others in their earth walk because we are all on it.
She teaches many yoga classes and all are full with waiting lists. What a shame for all of us and particularly for Caron and Jack. They had no idea and are totally devestated. My heart bleeds for my friends in that class who will have their lives further limited including the joy we experienced each week.

Maryann - I have been in Caron's class for eight years and I am devastated this is how it had to end. I am in the class prior to the Chair Yoga class and when I leave it was always a joy to see all of you anxiously waiting for your class to begin. Caron and Jack are so very special. I am certain each and everyone who attends their classes has a heavy heart. Namaste.