[fastboat]

Ask Mr. X (you can find his name on thevillages-news.com) what his problem is/was. I've been trying to get him to tell us all EXACTLY, in PLAIN ENGLISH, what he was asking for that he wasn't being given. All I've gotten was crickets. Obviously nothing satisfied him so he went and hired a NY lawyer. So, as they were unsuccessful in getting any money from the LLLC, it's a non profit, I hope they all have a huge legal bill to pay. However, knowing how the entitled people operate, they'll get someone else to pay it.

[theorem painter]

Originally Posted by T-325

Interesting link

http://www.mass.gov/eohhs/docs/mcdhh...ns-medical.rtf

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ADA Title III Places of Public Accommodation
A pharmacy, insurance office, professional office of a health care provider, hospital, or other service establishment are considered ‘places of public accommodation’ meaning a facility, operated by a private entity, whose operations effect commerce. Doctor’s offices and nursing homes are covered under Title III. Congregate care facilities, independent living centers and retirement communities are covered by Title III, if, they provide significant enough level of social services that they can be considered social service establishments. Social services in this context include medical care, assistance with daily living activities, provision of meals, transportation, counseling and organized recreational activities.
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key question/key interpretation .. 2000 plus clubs

the Rec centers provide space..they don't organize activities... or do they?

that may be the question

If you read the lawsuit the Court ruled that the clubs are run by volunteers, not The Villages, so they are not part of the litigation.

[Tadpole]

Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee

Just read this on the front page of The Sun ........... I am so angry that if I say anything it could get me into big trouble. What a dreadful loss for TV. If you read the article it states that TV have been trying to placate these people for 8 years and NOTHING was enough.

Note to me : get off this computer before you put into writing something you will regret!

Codeysmom - you're not alone !!!

[HeyGeorge]

Did anyone see the 60 minutes piece on these law firms that recruit handicapped people to sue different entities? I would like to know how many ADA law suits this firm has filed. Were some of the Plaintiff's recruited to be part of this suit?

I have numerous disabling conditions including hearing impairment. But I refuse to be a VICTIM. I appreciate the ADA, but I don't sue anyone over it.

[jarm450@aol.com]

The most recent 60 Minutes program had a very interesting segment on rampant ADA lawsuits which are driven more by lawyer greed than the handicapped.

[Bonnevie]

Originally Posted by theorem painter

If you read the lawsuit the Court ruled that the clubs are run by volunteers, not The Villages, so they are not part of the litigation.

but can't they appeal that ruling? they won the motion that they can go to jury trial against the charter school--so there's nothing to appeal there. This appeal is in Atlanta so they must be appealing something they were denied....which could be the RLGs. Theoretically, they can appeal that up to the Supreme Court.

[Taltarzac725]

SCHWARZ v. THE VILLAGES CHARTER SCHOOL, INC. | Case No. 5:12-cv-177-Oc-34PRL. | Leagle.com.

This is a Federal case so damages for Federal ADA cases applies. Can You Get Compensatory and Punitive Damages in ADA Retaliation Claims | Understanding the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)

Looks like it might depend on some future US Supreme Court case.

[PennBF]

The Amish have a practice that "shuns" members who violate their religious rules. Whyt can't this practice be used when someone violates community standards in The Villages. I have no doubt that 90% + of the residents would do what is right for the impaired residents when it is recognized. For them to deny residents the same consideration is a true violation of what is fair and equitable. It would appear that denying 18,000+ residents the ability to extend their education and to cause 200 + residents to be denied the ability to earn a living is basis enough for "shunning". I have close relatives who are profoundly deaf and there is no way in gods creation they could sleep at night knowing they caused such terrible harm to people to lose work and education.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bonnevie

but can't they appeal that ruling? they won the motion that they can go to jury trial against the charter school--so there's nothing to appeal there. This appeal is in Atlanta so they must be appealing something they were denied....which could be the RLGs. Theoretically, they can appeal that up to the Supreme Court.

Which could be a good thing, and precedent setting as well, AFTER the PEOTUS appoints a new justice.

[dolphin]

There is "more than meets the eye" here. Serioulsy! I do not believe money was the issue. Funds could have been generated in ANY number of ways. 1. Grants 2. Private fund raising 3. Charging more for course 4. One time registration fee. Another option would be a "gratus" Subsidy by Morris family even though they are legally not affiliated with the LC In my opinion, this is is a major major marketing blunder and lack of foresight on THEIR part, to let this " its a lifestyle" feature of the villages go "belly up". Love to hear the villages realtors explain this one, on top of health care decision at he peak of the sales season. Looks like They will have to update their video and marketing packets! Wonder what the cost of that is. The $$ to them, would have been inconsequential in the scheme of things !

Also, There could have been a plan B in place, in the event that the LC lost the lawsuit, or did they think they would win? There is something array here. Why keep issue quiet for so many years. Notice: 0nly one article in daily sun. No follow up !!!

Without knowing all the facts, ( I read the lawsuit, hard to discern the REAL issue) therefore hard to draw rational understanding. In the absence of this, speculation ( this is an example) will run rampant. SOMETHING SMELLS HERE,

[Snoopy]

what happened??

[txfan]

Anybody watch "60 Minutes" last night (Dec. 4)? Anderson Cooper reported on ADA and lawsuits. Not siding either way on the situation in TV, but it was an interesting segment.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by dolphin

There is "more than meets the eye" here. Serioulsy! I do not believe money was the issue. Funds could have been generated in ANY number of ways. 1. Grants 2. Private fund raising 3. Charging more for course 4. One time registration fee. Another option would be a "gratus" Subsidy by Morris family even though they are legally not affiliated with the LC In my opinion, this is is a major major marketing blunder and lack of foresight on THEIR part, to let this " its a lifestyle" feature of the villages go "belly up". Love to hear the villages realtors explain this one, on top of health care decision at he peak of the sales season. Looks like They will have to update their video and marketing packets! Wonder what the cost of that is. The $$ to them, would have been inconsequential in the scheme of things !

Also, There could have been a plan B in place, in the event that the LC lost the lawsuit, or did they think they would win? There is something array here. Why keep issue quiet for so many years. Notice: 0nly one article in daily sun. No follow up !!!

Without knowing all the facts, ( I read the lawsuit, hard to discern the REAL issue) therefore hard to draw rational understanding. In the absence of this, speculation ( this is an example) will run rampant. SOMETHING SMELLS HERE,

It may be as simple as an attempt to stop the madness and not cave in to extortion. What's next if they cave---REC Centers, RLGs, nightly entertainment on the squares, all the pools. How can I shop at Publix if I can't ask where the anchovies are located---they should provide a full time ASL interpreter at every retail location! How can I ask to join a shuffleboard game at the neighborhood pool without an interpreter at all times? And how many other little groups with a disability will want their own special accommodations?
The problem does not lies solely with this (fill in the blank) or his (fill in the blank) lawyers. The problem is not even the ADA in and of itself, although it is vaguely written. The problem is with the bureaucrats and regulators who spell out the law and a judiciary that makes insane rulings. If it is ever to change, it will take a long time.
Meanwhile, it gives me an idea as to how to fight the terrorists. We don't need guns and tanks and cruise missiles. We just need to infiltrate their ranks with lawyers and ###holes, then sit back and watch the carnage. Unfortunately, we are beating them to the finish line in that regard. Can anyone say "Roman Empire"???

[OhioBuckeye]

Originally Posted by VillagerNut

I have lived in The Villages for 11 years. Not once have I heard about this lawsuit that has been going on for eight years. Why? If there would've been some public notice about this lawsuit, I am sure villagers would have stepped up to raise funds to accommodate whatever needed to happen to resolve this lawsuit. I have a hard time understanding how the accommodations could not happen. If they needed a hearing loop installed or whatever within the building I'm sure the money could've been raised to make that happen. But without the public knowing the situation we could not help. Now I hope someone will step up to the plate to figure out what can be resolved to rectify and revive the Lifelong Learning College.

Don't understand why the hearing impaired could really care about what other people did in their spare time & how they spent their money, but I do agree with you VILLAGERNUT, why didn't this group of people present their arguments to us. Or are they so afraid someone is making money off of it.

[allus70]

We recently bought our dream house in The Villages. Our house is very nice, but there are a lot of nicer houses outside The Villages that can be had for considerable less money. The tipping point that gave us a reason to buy here was the amenities package. The amenities are what make The Villages stand out from the countless other developments. One of my favorite amenities was The Life Long Learning Center.
What a shame that such an unique attribute which so many people enjoyed and benefited from can be so easily and senselessly ended.
I urge everyone that feels the way I do to join in a letter writing campaign. If we are to go down, at least go down fighting.