[Boudicca]

It's not only the ALC affected by the suit. It has the capacity to affect ALL classes in TV - yes, Rec centers

[Chatbrat]

Would have loved to have a M-80, & see who runs out of the house when it went off

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by mark47

I've been planning on moving to the Villages for almost a year now. Next month I'm scheduled for 6 days for another lifestyle visit. This third visit was to narrow down areas to live. With the LLC gone TV is just another very large retirement community. I'll probably spend 4 of the 7 days looking outside TV. Sad for me but probably sadder for all those already invested in TV

There is so much more to TV than the LLC. Is that the only thing you investigated on your previous visit?
It is not just another very large retirement community.

[Bogie Shooter]

Its interesting how the same thing can be said 500 slightly different ways.................................

[Nevinmann]

Originally Posted by CWGUY

4 Letters To The Editor in today's "Daily Sun" nothing mentioned on TOTV about them today. (1 from Schwarz)

Letters to the Editor:

Daily Sun
1100 Main St.
The Villages, Fl.32159

Email:

letters@thevillagesmedia.com


Larry D. Croom - Reader Ombudsman

Larry is the newsroom's primary liaison to the community
and welcomes your comments.

Email:

larry.croom@thevillagesmedia.com

Phone:

(352) 753-1119 ext. 9366

In Schwarz' letter, he calls Randy McDaniel a liar. So, what's the truth. Were the deaf offered accommodations that would be deemed reasonable by an independent arbitrator? I think Mr. McDaniel and TV needs to get communicating because the truth about the situation has yet to be made clear.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Nevinmann

In Schwarz' letter, he calls Randy McDaniel a liar. So, what's the truth. Were the deaf offered accommodations that would be deemed reasonable by an independent arbitrator? I think Mr. McDaniel and TV needs to get communicating because the truth about the situation has yet to be made clear.

Thank you. That's been my point all along. If so, we're back to the jackass theory.

[TexaninVA]

A number of people have already made positive suggestions about what the community can do next � contact Orlando media, contact AARP etc. I support those ideas.

Other believe our best hope is convincing the Developer to reopen negotiations with the plaintiffs. It�s ok to hope, but hope is not a strategy. If I was the Developer, there�s no way I�d touch it at this point but maybe we�ll get lucky? But I�m certainly ok with asking again etc

In the meantime, and given the feckless letter from the VHA, the POA is now the only group we can look to who will actually fight, and fight hard, to protect the interests of all TV residents. The President of POA, with approval / inputs from his Board, should appoint a �Lifelong Learning College Task Force (LLCTF)� Leader whom in addition to being a Villager, is also ideally a retired attorney with a proven track record in litigation.

The Charter of the LLCTF should be something along these lines:

1. Investigate what legal recourse is available for TV residents, if any, to recoup damages from the responsible parties, and to include approaches for disincentivizing any similar future lawsuits. Determine what assistance, if any, is needed from independent outside counsel as well.

2. Determine what legal and other steps need to be taken now to better protect our interests from potential future attacks upon the RLGs, Clubs etc from unreasonable and/or financially impossible demands, while also fully complying with the law.

3. Craft a plan to recreate a LLC-like entity, using alternative means and volunteer efforts to included restoring classes, even if in a limited way at first. Consider using the Rec Centers and/or Savannah Center as facilities, club-like membership etc. This effort could logically branch off into a separate Task Force later on at some point. It should also address reasonable means to address the needs of deaf students, where applicable.

We also need legislative remedies longer term. After the LLCTF gets started and has a chance to better research the specifics, the President of the POA should then personally visit both Congressman Daniel Webster and State Senator Dennis Baxley, and other political leaders TBD. The POA President should ask them for their assistance to begin examining legislative remedies at the Federal and State levels. Invite them to attend and address a future POA meeting as well. I note that both of these gentlemen visited, and made personal presentations to, a meeting of The Villages Straight Shooters (i.e. Gun Club) a few weeks before the election. We have 120,000 voters here in TV � they will pay attention!

The ADA statutes need technical improvements and reform. The protections afforded the disabled MUST be preserved (i.e. after all, we will ALL be disabled at some point). However the imperfections which currently allow blatantly unfair and arbitrary actions such as this lawsuit need to be eliminated for good. The recent CBS 60 Minutes expose is further evidence this is already a national problem, and not just unique to TV.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by mark47

I've been planning on moving to the Villages for almost a year now. Next month I'm scheduled for 6 days for another lifestyle visit. This third visit was to narrow down areas to live. With the LLC gone TV is just another very large retirement community. I'll probably spend 4 of the 7 days looking outside TV. Sad for me but probably sadder for all those already invested in TV

Everyone has a different agenda. With 115,000 residents and 18,000 enrolled, it was another way of spending retirement. I never attended the LLLC or anticipated going anytime in the near future. I spend my mornings, five of them a week, at MVP working out and taking gym classes. Afternoons I play golf (many more courses than anywhere else), go to the movies (we have 3 multiplex theaters), go to the squares and listen to music (3 squares music everday), shop or eat out (many restaurants). Others I'm sure bowl, play pickleball, play way more golf than me, or eat out more than me.



If you have your mind set on furthering your education, there is always Lake Sumter State College exactly 13 miles from Colony Plaza. They offer 2 year programs and some 4 year programs.

Lake-Sumter State College | Home

[theorem painter]

Originally Posted by Nevinmann

In Schwarz' letter, he calls Randy McDaniel a liar. So, what's the truth. Were the deaf offered accommodations that would be deemed reasonable by an independent arbitrator? I think Mr. McDaniel and TV needs to get communicating because the truth about the situation has yet to be made clear.

I would say that at this point it is up to the Court to decide who is lying.

[JoMar]

Originally Posted by John_W

Everyone has a different agenda. With 115,000 residents and 18,000 enrolled, it was another way of spending retirement. I never attended the LLLC or anticipated going anytime in the near future. I spend my mornings, five of them a week, at MVP working out and taking gym classes. Afternoons I play golf (many more courses than anywhere else), go to the movies (we have 3 multiplex theaters), go to the squares and listen to music (3 squares music everday), shop or eat out (many restaurants). Others I'm sure bowl, play pickleball, play way more golf than me, or eat out more than me.





If you have your mind set on furthering your education, there is always Lake Sumter State College exactly 13 miles from Colony Plaza. They offer 2 year programs and some 4 year programs.

Lake-Sumter State College | Home

Apples and Oranges but expected since the LLC has no impact on your life. For those that the LLC has impacted this is not something to rationalize away because you don't play.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by JoMar

Apples and Oranges but expected since the LLC has no impact on your life. For those that the LLC has impacted this is not something to rationalize away because you don't play.

I don't think he's rationalizing it away at all ... simply pointing out the broader context of the TV lifestyle.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by JoMar

Apples and Oranges but expected since the LLC has no impact on your life. For those that the LLC has impacted this is not something to rationalize away because you don't play.

Your right it is apples and oranges. I was trying to show a perspective Villager there is more to The Villages than the LLLC. I only included the college to show that we do have some alternatives, not to your standards, but something others might find interesting. We have a lot of classes at MVP, I take a couple everyday. They probably aren't much different than LLLC offered on some levels. One class today was Yoga instructed by Suzanne Duncan, her husband was just featured in the Sun for bicycling across the United States. Physical education is even more important to some of us at our age.

This reminds me, I forgot in my first post about softball. We have the largest softball league in America. Over 200 teams, 2500 players at 11 different ball diamonds. That you won't find at Top of the World or anywhere else. When I came to TV I played neighborhood league 15 seasons in a row, that's 5 years, every Saturday morning. It really brings back your youth.

[mark47]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

There is so much more to TV than the LLC. Is that the only thing you investigated on your previous visit?
It is not just another very large retirement community.

Didn't mean to touch a nerve but with health care changing and now no LLC the unique nature of TV is less unique. I'm still interested in TV and no the LLC wasn't the only draw but those two things were the reason why I never considered any other place. Hoping it all gets worked out

[pqrstar]

Originally Posted by Nevinmann

In Schwarz' letter, he calls Randy McDaniel a liar.

Originally Posted by theorem painter

I would say that at this point it is up to the Court to decide who is lying.

sounds like it could be made into a "defamation of character" lawsuit.

"Defamation of character occurs when someone makes a false statement about you that causes you some type of harm. The statement must be published (meaning some third party must have heard it), false, and it must result in harm, usually to the reputation."

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by mark47

Didn't mean to touch a nerve but with health care changing and now no LLC the unique nature of TV is less unique. I'm still interested in TV and no the LLC wasn't the only draw but those two things were the reason why I never considered any other place. Hoping it all gets worked out

I have to side with Bogie and JW on this one.
First of all, health care did not change---health care INSURANCE did---quite a different thing
We may be in the process of losing the LLLC, but, on average it is a very small part of TV lifestyle. In fact, we may lose a resource that most other retirement communities never had in the first place.
You need to do what is right for you, but don't get bogged down in the emotional response to the closing