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Here is the LLC Case documents. In the final section we see what is "ORDERED". I don't see where the LLC lost. Any retired lawyers out there who can explain this to us?

SCHWARZ v. THE VILLAGES CHARTER SCHOOL, INC. | Case No. 5:12-cv-177-Oc-34PRL. | Leagle.com

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Here is the LLC Case documents. In the final section we see what is "ORDERED". I don't see where the LLC lost. Any retired lawyers out there who can explain this to us?

http://http://www.leagle.com/decisio...SCHOOL,%20INC.
SCHWARZ v. THE VILLAGES CHARTER SCHOOL, INC. | Case No. 5:12-cv-177-Oc-34PRL. | Leagle.com. See if this works.
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Very few lawyers are just in it for the money. It is often about winning, status, and a lot of other things. Would you say that all NFL players are in it for the money? Some are but many just love the game and the celebrity playing in the NFL brings as well as the camaraderie and belonging to a group.
I'll concede that any professional has multiple motivations to do what they do. Prestige, fame, a sense of accomplishment and all the other things you mention are certainly applicable. But the number one reason for a case such as this has got to be money. Why else would a law firm accept a massive undertaking on a contingency basis only, if they did not anticipate a huge pay day down the road. Besides, all the other motivating factors, if realized, add to the firm's earning power in the future.
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Very few lawyers are just in it for the money. It is often about winning, status, and a lot of other things. Would you say that all NFL players are in it for the money? Some are but many just love the game and the celebrity playing in the NFL brings as well as the camaraderie and belonging to a group.

Actually check out the law firm where most of these plaintiff lawyers work.
I would argue that NFL players are motivated by the money. Sure they may love the game, but it wreaks havoc on their health.

I actually spent 3 days in law school before I realized it wasn't for me. The first day, the teacher came in and wrote on the board 1/3. He said that is the amount the lawyer gets in a law suit. I believe that was the first thing he told the class.

I believe there are good lawyers out there...the ones that take pro bono cases and those that work for legal aid. But huge law firms such as the one in this lawsuit are financially motivated.
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I would argue that NFL players are motivated by the money. Sure they may love the game, but it wreaks havoc on their health.

I actually spent 3 days in law school before I realized it wasn't for me. The first day, the teacher came in and wrote on the board 1/3. He said that is the amount the lawyer gets in a law suit. I believe that was the first thing he told the class.

I believe there are good lawyers out there...the ones that take pro bono cases and those that work for legal aid. But huge law firms such as the one in this lawsuit are financially motivated.
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It is so sad that the wishes of a handful of people (especially the one man who has a history of filing lawsuits) can disrupt the lives of hundreds of people. I have heard from some of the teachers at the LLLC that the man signed up for classes and an interpreter was hired for him and then he did not show up for the classes. It seems that money is the main reason for this suit.
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It is so sad that the wishes of a handful of people (especially the one man who has a history of filing lawsuits) can disrupt the lives of hundreds of people. I have heard from some of the teachers at the LLLC that the man signed up for classes and an interpreter was hired for him and then he did not show up for the classes. It seems that money is the main reason for this suit.
In that case they should have sent him a bill for the interpreters services. It wouldn't fly, but it would send a message.
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In a number of notes the term "motivation" is mentioned regarding this case. The teaching of some motivational experts is that only 2 things will significantly motivate. They are "challenge" and "recognition/reward". Of course there are other motivations but these are the most significant if you want to motivate people. This clearly meets these qualifiers. This is probably a very challenging suit on both sides and the recognition and rewards are apparently very significant. In the case of The Village's and it's residents it is restoring the Learning Center as a challenge and receiving the residents recognition for achieviing that result. In the case of the Law Firm it could be allegedly both monetary and internal success by the attorney's, in the case of the Plaintiff it may be allegedly recognition by the other deaf persons or beating the Villages. All of this is an open for discussion?
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It is so sad that the wishes of a handful of people (especially the one man who has a history of filing lawsuits) can disrupt the lives of hundreds of people. I have heard from some of the teachers at the LLLC that the man signed up for classes and an interpreter was hired for him and then he did not show up for the classes. It seems that money is the main reason for this suit.
Does anyone really believe that TV attorneys have not put together a dossier on his postings and behavior? His Face Book page, his past history of law suits, and on and on, is all there for anyone to see and use. Have a little faith in your fellow man.
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In my opinion the ADA needs tweaking.
I have two questions
1. I know certain things are required to be available to the disabled, but does it state that it has to be FREE, that the theater, ensue, class, etc, MUST pick up the expense?

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Can anyone sue if their needs are not met? I was under the impression that the venue could be FINED , but this 60 Minute story (that I heard about, I did not watch it) and the LLLC closure has really opened my eyes and shocked the crap out of me. I didn't realize individuals could sue for money.
Too bad 18,000 of us can't be outside the court in atlanta when the next phase is in front of a judge.

I also wonder how much of a could shoulder the plaintiffs are getting from residents now. might be time for him to find a new community to sue.
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I don't want to start a new thread, but I am afraid this will get buried with so many responses in this post

There will be a meeting at Laurel Manor with regard to the closing of TV College. I will get back to everyone with more info on this!! How can 20 people put a legal suit in who never attended this College and win. The person responsible did the same thing in Treasure Island. I hope we have a large turnout of all people not just members of the POA. Please get the word out to everyone to get to this meeting. Thank you. B Nuccio
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Here is the LLC Case documents. In the final section we see what is "ORDERED". I don't see where the LLC lost. Any retired lawyers out there who can explain this to us?

SCHWARZ v. THE VILLAGES CHARTER SCHOOL, INC. | Case No. 5:12-cv-177-Oc-34PRL. | Leagle.com
This question has already been beaten to death in the original thread on this subject.

But in a nutshell: The LLC is not a separate entity or a party to the lawsuit. The LLC is merely the name under which the charter school conducts adult education. The charter school has not lost the lawsuit, and the lawsuit did not "force" the closure of the LLC, as the December 2nd Daily Sun headline falsely claimed. Since the charter school runs the LLC and the developer controls the charter school, the LLC was closed because of a decision by the developer to discontinue adult education in this community. The present lawsuit will continue despite the closure.

Unless the developer changes his mind about adult education, it seems unlikely that merely transferring adult education to the VCCDD will result in resurrection of the program. This is because the VCCDD would run the same risk of liability as was the charter school. But we can hope.
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I don't want to start a new thread, but I am afraid this will get buried with so many responses in this post

There will be a meeting at Laurel Manor with regard to the closing of TV College. I will get back to everyone with more info on this!! How can 20 people put a legal suit in who never attended this College and win. The person responsible did the same thing in Treasure Island. I hope we have a large turnout of all people not just members of the POA. Please get the word out to everyone to get to this meeting. Thank you. B Nuccio
Are you going to tell us the date and time of the meeting, who is running it, and what the agenda is? Most importantly, is there going to be somebody there with facts about the situation--beyond the sketchy ones that were published in the Daily Sun--and with some concrete proposal to convince the developer to change his mind about ceasing adult education in The Villages?
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