[Boomer]

Never mind. I am overthinking this. Deleted.

[Bog99]

Originally Posted by Cedwards38

First, I'm a supporter of the Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA). Without it the disabled would not have equal opportunities in many ways. I don't know the circumstances of the lawsuit, so I can't comment on that, but Director McDaniel of the Charter School apparently offered reasonable accommodations which were refused. I'm sure we'll hear from the other side at some point too.

Second, The Lifelong Learning College is one of the things about which I am most proud of our Villages community, and I'm deeply saddened to see it close. I hope that the community can find a way to reopen the College and provide it's valuable services for the residents for years to come.

These are The Magic Sentences of Liberty:

LIBERTY is a poetic term for property rights.

Therefore there are only two kinds of laws:

1) laws that protect property rights,
2) laws that attack property rights.

"Have the government do unto other people's property as you'd have government do unto you and your property."

If you believe in Liberty, why do you support such a burdensome hideous #2 law like ADA?

[OceanDance]

One of the big influencing factors for our decision to move to the Villages in October 2016 was the LLLC - now it's closed before we even got a chance to take classes. Can't tell you how sad and frustrating that is for us.
I believe in 'reasonable' accommodations but as an employer I was also subjected to 'unreasonable' accommodations' on occasion. Why do people have to take advantage of a situation? I hope the unreasonable people are happy now that everyone else in the Villages is affected by their actions.
I'm hopeful the LLLC will find a way to reopen.

[2BNTV]

Originally Posted by OceanDance

One of the big influencing factors for our decision to move to the Villages in October 2016 was the LLLC - now it's closed before we even got a chance to take classes. Can't tell you how sad and frustrating that is for us.
I believe in 'reasonable' accommodations but as an employer I was also subjected to 'unreasonable' accommodations' on occasion. Why do people have to take advantage of a situation? I hope the unreasonable people are happy now that everyone else in the Villages is affected by their actions.
I'm hopeful the LLLC will find a way to reopen.

I like to think something like the LLLC will resurface!

The developer chooses their battles wisely. They beat the IRS and decided not to fight the LLLC fight. They are very smart when wanting to get things done. The question becomes, "do they want The LLLC to resurface as TV has so many other things to offer and possibly, it doesn't affect the bottom line".

Some people are miserable in life and have a need to drag other people down to their level. It's human nature for some people. I never seen miserable people stay friends with positive people. They tend to hang with their own kind.

[graciegirl]

I don't think the LLLC was THAT great. It had some very valuable art courses and a few valid other courses but some were just gooney. Zodiac stuff and kinda far out things that weren't really what I had expected from a "college".

Of course the courses that I took were six weeks and cost only $81 dollars.

[EnglishJW]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I don't think the LLLC was THAT great. It had some very valuable art courses and a few valid other courses but some were just gooney. Zodiac stuff and kinda far out things that weren't really what I had expected from a "college".

Of course the courses that I took were six weeks and cost only $81 dollars.

The value of any specific course, like beauty, was in the eye of the beholder. Many Villagers opted to enroll and they have now lost this option. We were looking forward to four ballroom dancing classes with the Conrads. We weren't trying to find college courses like thermodynamics or metaphysics.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by EnglishJW

The value of any specific course, like beauty, was in the eye of the beholder. Many Villagers opted to enroll and they have now lost this option. We were looking forward to four ballroom dancing classes with the Conrads. We weren't trying to find college courses like thermodynamics or metaphysics.

I agree with you. There were many courses that appealed to us besides the four years of French and Spanish and beginning line dancing instruction that we took. We were only just beginning. The genealogy courses, Italian, some computer instruction, and many more we were planning for the future. Having attended adult education courses in four cities, we found the scope of courses available at LLC to be mind boggling. I sincerely hope they manage to bring it back.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I agree with you. There were many courses that appealed to us besides the four years of French and Spanish and beginning line dancing instruction that we took. We were only just beginning. The genealogy courses, Italian, some computer instruction, and many more we were planning for the future. Having attended adult education courses in four cities, we found the scope of courses available at LLC to be mind boggling. I sincerely hope they manage to bring it back.

Me, too. The LLC offered so many interesting things. I took classes from teachers that I knew loved their subjects and were teaching for the love of teaching.

I always thought it would be fun to teach a class there........I tried to think of something I could teach.........but.......I don't think anybody would have signed up for a class on "How To Dance Like Elaine on Seinfeld."

Anyway, I am so sorry to see what is happening. I am a perpetual taker of classes and I sure had some good ones at the LLC.

[pauld315]

Any update on the appeal ?

[Madelaine Amee]

Originally Posted by EnglishJW

The value of any specific course, like beauty, was in the eye of the beholder. Many Villagers opted to enroll and they have now lost this option. We were looking forward to four ballroom dancing classes with the Conrads. We weren't trying to find college courses like thermodynamics or metaphysics.

Totally agree. I did not go there to get "educated", I went there to "learn" and when I say learn I mean to find out how to use some of these new fangled technologies. This week I have been trying to find out more about something I saw and have no idea what it is or how it works, but I immediately thought of getting in touch with the College and the College is gone!

Years ago we did not have Life Long Learning Institutes, we had Night Schools.

[Challenger]

Could LLLC be reincarnated as a club? Could there be a small membership fee ie: $20 +/- per year for those who wanted to take courses and then a recommended contribution for each course? Could such an org be a 501(c)(3)--not for profit (education).

[villagetinker]

I checked the court website Saturday, no update. As for the LLLC it appears there will be a meeting Wednesday to discuss its future. I am sure the results of the meeting will be published in the Daily Sun as a follow-up to todays article. I am hoping that arrangements can be made to bring it back.
Also hoping that the plaintiffs are NOT successful in the appeal, as this would probably be a disaster for all of the local clubs.

[EnglishJW]

Originally Posted by villagetinker

I checked the court website Saturday, no update. As for the LLLC it appears there will be a meeting Wednesday to discuss its future. I am sure the results of the meeting will be published in the Daily Sun as a follow-up to todays article. I am hoping that arrangements can be made to bring it back.
Also hoping that the plaintiffs are NOT successful in the appeal, as this would probably be a disaster for all of the local clubs.

I agree completely. Thanks for the update.

[pauld315]

Originally Posted by Challenger

Could LLLC be reincarnated as a club? Could there be a small membership fee ie: $20 +/- per year for those who wanted to take courses and then a recommended contribution for each course? Could such an org be a 501(c)(3)--not for profit (education).

The clubs are not out of danger yet. The neighborhood plaintiffs and their NYC lawyers are appealing the ruling that the clubs do not need to provide certified sign language interpreters. I think it went to court a couple weeks before Christmas but as far as what others have said, there has been no ruling made on the appeal yet.

[Challenger]

Originally Posted by pauld315

The clubs are not out of danger yet. The neighborhood plaintiffs and their NYC lawyers are appealing the ruling that the clubs do not need to provide certified sign language interpreters. I think it went to court a couple weeks before Christmas but as far as what others have said, there has been no ruling made on the appeal yet.

As I understand it, the Clubs that are in danger are those considered Villages Clubs(sanctioned/licensed?) by The Villages. These clubs are allowed only to enlist members who are residents of TV. As such these clubs have access to rec center sites without charge. There are other groups which meet in TV that are not so sanctioned and allow outsiders to join (three Rotary Clubs ) for example).