[EPutnam1863]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I was just explaining to English that what he was proposing was already available, and stating what was being provided to deaf students in Michigan state universities at least a decade ago during lecture classes. It could be different now.

France, I get it, and I am not sure either how colleges accommodate its deaf students these days.

Likely, in the major areas, sign language interpreters are provided while in less populated areas VRI (video remote interpreting) is provided. Both are very expensive. If neither is available, then I would hope that the deaf student is reasonable enough to accept some other service such as CART note-taking.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by EPutnam1863

France, I get it, and I am not sure either how colleges accommodate its deaf students these days.

Likely, in the major areas, sign language interpreters are provided while in less populated areas VRI (video remote interpreting) is provided. Both are very expensive. If neither is available, then I would hope that the deaf student is reasonable enough to accept some other service such as CART note-taking.

Depends on how militant they are. Looks like the plaintiffs in the LLC case were not "reasonable enough" to accept ASL interpreters unless they were "certified".

[EPutnam1863]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Depends on how militant they are. Looks like the plaintiffs in the LLC case were not "reasonable enough" to accept ASL interpreters unless they were "certified".

Correct simply because the "uncertified" ones are usually not well trained enough to know the more difficult signs and the syntax of the American Sign Language.

If you needed a Spanish translator, you would want one who is certified rather than one who may have taken only one or two semesters.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by EPutnam1863

Correct simply because the "uncertified" ones are usually not well trained enough to know the more difficult signs and the syntax of the American Sign Language.

If you needed a Spanish translator, you would want one who is certified rather than one who may have taken only one or two semesters.

Good explanation. Thank you.

[thelegges]

Originally Posted by EPutnam1863

Correct simply because the "uncertified" ones are usually not well trained enough to know the more difficult signs and the syntax of the American Sign Language.

If you needed a Spanish translator, you would want one who is certified rather than one who may have taken only one or two semesters.

Depends if Spanish translator first language is Spanish, second English, I don't need him to be certified.

[EnglishJW]

Originally Posted by thelegges

Depends if Spanish translator first language is Spanish, second English, I don't need him to be certified.

Unless you are intent on being "unreasonable?"

[Wavy Chips]

This is all interesting chatter, but what did the plaintiffs actually win besides a relatively small amount of money? Going forward, the reincarnated LLC will be structured in such a way to avoid being bound by ADA laws. So what have you actually accomplished? You can be sure that any organized endeavor created for the benefit of Villagers at large that is created by any legal entity in TV will not make the same mistake again. Had TV foreseen this lawsuit and its potential outcome, they would have quietly restructured the LLC between "semesters" and nobody would have been the wiser.

At the end of the day, this is all about what is considered "reasonable". The courts decided that what TV offered was not reasonable. Fortunately or unfortunately, TV has the ability, going forward, to sidestep the legal definition of "reasonable."

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Wavy Chips

This is all interesting chatter, but what did the plaintiffs actually win besides a relatively small amount of money? Going forward, the reincarnated LLC will be structured in such a way to avoid being bound by ADA laws. So what have you actually accomplished? You can be sure that any organized endeavor created for the benefit of Villagers at large that is created by any legal entity in TV will not make the same mistake again. Had TV foreseen this lawsuit and its potential outcome, they would have quietly restructured the LLC between "semesters" and nobody would have been the wiser.

At the end of the day, this is all about what is considered "reasonable". The courts decided that what TV offered was not reasonable. Fortunately or unfortunately, TV has the ability, going forward, to sidestep the legal definition of "reasonable."

Janet Tutt stated that the restructured LLC will have interpreters available. So that's what the deaf community gained.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Wavy Chips

This is all interesting chatter, but what did the plaintiffs actually win besides a relatively small amount of money? Going forward, the reincarnated LLC will be structured in such a way to avoid being bound by ADA laws. So what have you actually accomplished? You can be sure that any organized endeavor created for the benefit of Villagers at large that is created by any legal entity in TV will not make the same mistake again. Had TV foreseen this lawsuit and its potential outcome, they would have quietly restructured the LLC between "semesters" and nobody would have been the wiser.
At the end of the day, this is all about what is considered "reasonable". The courts decided that what TV offered was not reasonable. Fortunately or unfortunately, TV has the ability, going forward, to sidestep the legal definition of "reasonable."

And in the meantime, a large number of Villagers were adversely affected by closure of the LLC .
Some were taking classes like "Chair Yoga" which is designed for those with limited mobility.
Hopefully we've all learned from this situation.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Depends on how militant they are. Looks like the plaintiffs in the LLC case were not "reasonable enough" to accept ASL interpreters unless they were "certified".

Don't you hate it when patients insist their doctors are licensed, never mind those high and mighty ones who even demand board "certified" Hmm "certified"

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by blueash

Don't you hate it when patients insist their doctors are licensed, never mind those high and mighty ones who even demand board "certified" Hmm "certified"

Apples and oranges. Nobody's life depends on getting every word in a LLC class exactly right.

[Wavy Chips]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Janet Tutt stated that the restructured LLC will have interpreters available. So that's what the deaf community gained.

Will they be providing the interpreters that the plaintiffs wanted or the interpreters that TV had offered all along?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Wavy Chips

Will they be providing the interpreters that the plaintiffs wanted or the interpreters that TV had offered all along?

A more relevant question might be, "Does the ADA REQUIRE certified interpreters?"

[Wavy Chips]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

A more relevant question might be, "Does the ADA REQUIRE certified interpreters?"

My guess is that the structure or organization or sponsorship of the new LLC will fall outside of any ADA requirements or oversight.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Wavy Chips

My guess is that the structure or organization or sponsorship of the new LLC will fall outside of any ADA requirements or oversight.

Hopefully. The ADA was a good idea that morphed into a Washingtonian nightmare.