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-   -   Margaret "Peggy" Klemm gets 180 days. (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/margaret-peggy-klemm-gets-180-days-122501/)

perrjojo 07-31-2014 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 916306)
If I remember correctly, she was also arrested for a DUI, about two weeks prior to her sexcapade at the town square, and she was drunk again, to the point, where she could not be in control.

I think she may have had a lot of stress dealing with her very sick husband but she could have relieved her frustration, with a more constructive venue. At least, get a room.

She sure has revived the old rumor mill by letting people outside TV to think this is an orgy type place and giving some credence to the theory of spreading STD. That article failed to mention the spread of STD was no higher, than any other community in the USA, but that is was, an increased number.

I feel sorry for the shame the husband must be feeling, and what happens to his needing care, while she is serving her sentence. This has become a sad story for all those involved, who really need help, in whatever form that may take. IMHO
This biggest hurdle to Alcoholics is the enablers..... Those who continue to say he/she made a mistake. I am not without compassion for this family but being arrested twice in four days? I always say the first time we make a mistake. The second time we do it, it's a choice.

Cajulian 07-31-2014 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 916268)
Whew! I feel much safer now. Much less chance of seeing any exposed genitals in my wanderings about The Villages.
Wouldn't want any grand kids to be scarred for life by seeing human body parts.
I feel so much safer now too!!!

What they did was inappropriate, but far from leaving anyone "Emotionally Scarred".

The punishment was definitely an overkill, considering the sentences that some real criminals get.

Chi-Town 07-31-2014 10:03 AM
She should have pleaded insanity. "I was just crazy about that boy!" should have been her defense.

(thanks to Cheech and Chong so I won't be accused of plagiarizing).

billethkid 07-31-2014 10:08 AM
:icon_bored:

:popcorn:

MicheleE 07-31-2014 10:17 AM
Alcoholism is not a choice. This women clearly needs rehab rather than jail. Hope she gets the help she needs and stops living on that merry-go-round.

2BNTV 07-31-2014 10:22 AM
Sorry but forgot to add, that I have known several people who got DUI's but they didn't travel down that road again as they learned their lesson. They only excuse Peggy can have had is............ fill in the blank.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

Being totally drunk twice to have the police involved, indicated a serious emotional problem that she needs to get serious, about curing herself.

I agree with BTK. It's :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

coolkayaker1 07-31-2014 10:41 AM
I once walked around a large granite monument in a public park in Chicago at night. I was 25 years old. I saw--would have stepped on them if I kept walking--two adults, about my age, humping like earthworms after a rainstorm.

If I could only "unsee".

cc1246 07-31-2014 10:43 AM
It matter what the crime was, she broke the law and also her probation. I agree she needs help, but her family should have stepped up a long time ago and tried to help. Laws are not meant to be broken.

Abster 07-31-2014 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 916300)
They could do worse. Lot of folks here who do not need to be criticized go to church and a lot who are far from perfect go too.

Tired of this anti-religious STUFF.
P.S. I don't go to church, but there isn't anything wrong with it and a whole lot right.

Pick on criminals and leave the church people alone.
Mam, Please!!! I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are yours.

perrjojo 07-31-2014 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MicheleE (Post 916350)
Alcoholism is not a choice. This women clearly needs rehab rather than jail. Hope she gets the help she needs and stops living on that merry-go-round.
I can not speak for Sumter County Jail but most jails have a required AA program for those incarcerated on alcohol related offenses. I have a good friend who does a jail ministry in another state and those completing the AA 12 steps received time off their sentence. After they serve their time, it is their choice whether to drink again or not. Alcoholism is not a choice, but to drink or not drink IS a CHOICE.

janmcn 07-31-2014 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 916258)
In the article, her husband says that this is the first time that she's ever been in trouble. I understand that she had two recent DUIs. Is that not being in trouble?

Of course none of us who weren't there know exactly what happened, but I have to wonder if they gave the arresting officers a bad time. If so, that may have influenced the judge in terms of sentencing. And don't forget, she was given a break here but getting "concurrent" 180 day sentences for this and for the DUI. Does anyone know how much time she will actually spend in jail? Often entire sentences are not served out in these kind of cases.

As far as damage done, I agree that no one was hurt and no property was damaged, but I do feel that a lot of damage was done to the reputation of our wonderful community. Could that have possibly been a factor in the sentencing?

Of course she should get help for alcoholism. But having a disease does not excuse bad or illegal behavior. You can't go out and commit a crime and be let off easy just by saying, "I'm an alcoholic". In fact one of the things preached by AA is that you have to take responsibility for your own actions. In fact loved ones of alcoholics are also taught not to give alcoholics a break and to allow the the dignity of suffering the consequences of their actions. The sentence may be the best thing that ever happened to her.


When judges start making their decisions not based on the law but on the reputation of a wonderful community, it is time for them to be impeached.

perrjojo 07-31-2014 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 916383)
When judges start making their decisions not based on the law but on the reputation of a wonderful community, it is time for them to be impeached.
What is your basis for knowing this is what happened? I don't know that wasn't true but I certainly don't know that it is true.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 07-31-2014 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 916268)
Whew! I feel much safer now. Much less chance of seeing any exposed genitals in my wanderings about The Villages.
Wouldn't want any grand kids to be scarred for life by seeing human body parts.
I don't think that it's a question of making us safer. Imprisonment usually has three purposes. One is to get dangerous people out of society and make us safer, the second is to try to rehabilitate these people and the third is to punish them. Her sentence is punishment and as has been pointed out, she was found guilty of three crimes and is lucky to be serving her sentences concurrently.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 07-31-2014 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 916383)
When judges start making their decisions not based on the law but on the reputation of a wonderful community, it is time for them to be impeached.
I think that having victims impact statements is fairly common these days in court. The reason is that the damage to people or a community that some has caused should be taken into consideration when sentencing them. Just as priors is taken into consideration. This woman had a DUI, a probation violation and now this act.

Someone who commits a crime while on probation doesn't seem to have learned from their mistakes. I'm sure that was also taken into account in the sentencing.

And remember, this was a plea bargain. Imagine what she could have gotten.

manaboutown 07-31-2014 11:16 AM
Peggy did indeed damage the reputation of a wonderful community. If she gets into AA, gets herself a sponsor and works the program she will make amends in accordance with one of AA's 12 steps. I will not hold my breath but anything is possible.

If her family members got into Al-Anon they could learn about enablement and other behavioral issues as well as learn to cope with her substance abuse.

Let us hope there is no encore of the sex on the square event.


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